Souliotes

[chicagogeorge]

^^

I'll get back to you on the Arvanites in Athens during the late 19th century tomorrow. As for the Albanian Souliotes, as the book that I posted said above. The Souli were a mixture of Greeks and Hellenized Orthodox Albanians..

Here is another article closer to the times.... in 1832.

The Athenaeum: Weekly Review of English and Foreign Literature, Fine Arts ... - Page 728
by James Silk Buckingham, John Sterling, Frederick Denison Maurice, Henry Stebbing, Charles Wentworth Dilke, Thomas Kibble Hervey, William Hepworth Dixon, Norman Maccoll, Vernon Horace Rendall, John Middleton Murry - 1832





same as above but with a better quality...


Readings in poetry: a selection from the best English poets, from Spenser to ... - Page 355
by Readings - 1843

[Hellas7]

Athens in the early 1800's had a population of about 5,000 people. It was a mixture of Arvanites, Greeks and Turks. We have been through this before. We even found books with percenteges and number of families belonging to each. If you think Athens was exclusively 'insert here' of any peoples, you wrong.


And the Souliotes were obviously a mixture of Greeks and Orthodox Albanians, as is most of Epirus. This is what happens when people share the same land for centuries, mixture. What matters though is what the felt, and most of it points towards being Greeks.

[chicagogeorge]

Originally Posted by Hellas7

This is what happens when people share the same land for centuries, mixture. What matters though is what the felt, and most of it points towards being Greeks.

Of course there has been a mixture!

What upsets some of our neighbors is that those who migrated into Greece from their lands feel Greek, and even more that the Greeks and their language have existed constantly in this land for over 4000 years.

[helios]

Originally Posted by Hellas7

Athens in the early 1800's had a population of about 5,000 people. It was a mixture of Arvanites, Greeks and Turks. We have been through this before. We even found books with percenteges and number of families belonging to each. If you think Athens was exclusively 'insert here' of any peoples, you wrong.

In 1748 V. Agostini sent by Papal authority to spread the Catolicism in Greece wrote a letter explaining the situation to Pope:
31.August.1748 :
......I am in Athen, this dirty Albanian village, I found nowhere Greeks despite my expectation but only pagan Albanian peasants who are not interested at all about religion..(my translation)

Originally Posted by Hellas7

And the Souliotes were obviously a mixture of Greeks and Orthodox Albanians, as is most of Epirus. This is what happens when people share the same land for centuries, mixture. What matters though is what the felt, and most of it points towards being Greeks.

There was no blend, they were Albanians:



BYRON IN ALBANIAN(SULLIOTES) DRESS

[helios]

Originally Posted by chicagogeorge

Of course there has been a mixture!

Of course was no mixture, all the sources say the same Graeco-Albanians meaning Albanian-Christians.

[helios]

Originally Posted by Hellas7

And the Souliotes were obviously a mixture of Greeks and Orthodox Albanians, as is most of Epirus. .

No you 're obviously wrong.

The sons of the mountains are only Albanians.

[Orphic_Hymn]

Originally Posted by helios

Of course was no mixture, all the sources say the same Graeco-Albanians meaning Albanian-Christians.

If you'd read Sir Henry Holland's "Travels in the Ionian Isles" you'd know that in page 448, he clarifies that this is the statement of Mouchtar Aga, given to him while they were "smoking".

The sons of the mountains are only Albanians.

Don't you see the distinction in the description "DARK SULIOTES" and lets say you don't.. where these so-called "sons of the mountains" the only descendants of the Herakleides or are all "Albanians" ?

On Suli's rock, and Parga's shore,
Exists the remnant of a line
Such as the Doric mothers bore;
And there, perhaps, some seed is sown,
The Heracleidan blood might own.

[helios]

Originally Posted by Orphic_Hymn

If you'd read Sir Henry Holland's "Travels in the Ionian Isles" you'd know that in page 448, he clarifies that this is the statement of Mouchtar Aga, given to him while they were "smoking"..

Ok next time I will make a search before quoting an book author if he or she was "smoking" before writing a book.

Originally Posted by Orphic_Hymn

Don't you see the distinction in the description "DARK SULIOTES" and lets say you don't.. where these so-called "sons of the mountains" the only descendants of the Herakleides or are all "Albanians" ?

On Suli's rock, and Parga's shore,
Exists the remnant of a line
Such as the Doric mothers bore;
And there, perhaps, some seed is sown,
The Heracleidan blood might own.

Since old times we have a testimony that Doric-Heraclides is from Illyrian stock:

[Orphic_Hymn]

Originally Posted by helios

Ok next time I will make a search before quoting an book author if he or she was "smoking" before writing a book.

The point is that its based on hearsay, and "high hearsay" if you get the point, no actual research, no anthropologic factors, nothing else included.

Since old times we have a testimony that Doric-Heraclides is from Illyrian stock:

WHERE and I do mean EXACTLY WHERE does it state that the Herakleides are Illyrian stock?

It clearly says that these barbarians of Illyrian stock claim that Herakles' son, Hyllos, settled them there, nothing about being related to him, nothing about neither him nor his father being Illyrian.. So where do you come up with this fallacy ???

[helios]

Originally Posted by Orphic_Hymn

WHERE and I do mean EXACTLY WHERE does it state that the Herakleides are Illyrian stock?

It clearly says that these barbarians of Illyrian stock claim that Herakles' son, Hyllos, settled them there, nothing about being related to him, nothing about neither him nor his father being Illyrian.. So where do you come up with this fallacy ???

Do you remember which was the noblest tribe of the Dorians?

Dorian tribes
Ὑλλέας , Παμφύλους , Δυμανάτας,
Hylleis, Pamphyloi, and Dymanatai.

It was HYLLEIS or HYLLIONES or BYLLIONES an ILLYRIAN TRIBE the HERACLIDES.