Souliotes

[Orphic_Hymn]

Originally Posted by helios

I was answering this:


but since you cant face the facts you deleted my posts which show Albanians from NORTH, in SHKODRA wearing the same clothes like South Albanians:

You posted the damn thing now its over get it!!

If you have anything else to post related to the Foustanella do it in the relevent thread, if you have something about the Suliotes do it here. Enough with this damn game of jumping from one issue to another.

[Orphic_Hymn]

Originally Posted by helios

After you deleting tons of my posts which proved you were constantly wrong.

After instructing you to take the foustanella discussion to the appropriate thread three times and I won't stop at your post if you continue under the same motto.

[helios]

Originally Posted by Orphic_Hymn

You are starting the same thing all over again !!! So I'll trash it all over again..

WHY do you omit to present the BS you posted right under the nit-picked quote from Strabo ???


Strabo's text reads:

Now since you don't understand it, I'll make it simple for you and break down the crucial parts:


Doric, based on the dialect spoken by the Hellenes outside the Isthmus (except specific regions) is the same as Aeolic since the people are still called Aeolians.

It seems that since they were few in number, these Dorians (the ones settled outside the Isthmus) have changed their speech and manners and thus are not considered part of the same tribe as before (not Dorians any more but Aeolians)

This was the case with the Dorians that settled outside the Isthmus, but in Peloponessos we find a totally different case:

Peloponessos was originally Aeolic in speech, but due to intermixing with Atheneans (Ionic dialect) and then with the return of the Herakleides (Dorians) they lost their speech.. This becomes evident since as Strabo clarifies: because of the predominance which has been gained by the Dorians, one and all are reputed to speak the Doric.

Its something that you hardly can understand.
Strabo claims that the Dorian tribes who had no intercourse with the others and lived in isolated places, changed their speech and they must be considered not the same as before.
This is something that never happens, because if you live isolated and far from other people and have absolutely no intercourse with the other languages/dialectes that means you dont change but you PRESERVE what originally brought with you.

Its the opposite case for the Dorians who entered the istmus, they had intercourse with the others and very possibly it was them changing the speech.

Anyway your capacity is limited.

[Orphic_Hymn]

Originally Posted by helios

Its something that you hardly can understand.
Strabo claims that the Dorian tribes who had no intercourse with the others and lived in isolated places, changed their speech and they must be considered not the same as before.
This is something that never happens, because if you live isolated and far from other people and have absolutely no intercourse with the other languages/dialectes that means you dont change but you PRESERVE what originally brought with you.

Honestly do you actually understand the text ?

The "others" he's refering to (in your own words "Dorian tribes who had no intercourse with the others") is others of the same tribe/dialectic speakers.. this is the reason that they, the Dorians, that settled "outside the Isthmus", had changed their speech which today (I mean when he wrote his Geography) resembled the speech of Aeolians, hence why he titles them Aeolians (see "are to this day still called Aeolians")!!!

Its the opposite case for the Dorians who entered the istmus, they had intercourse with the others and very possibly it was them changing the speech.

Anyway your capacity is limited.

Its the opposite case cause the Dorians that entered Peloponessos were the majority, (see "because of the predominance which has been gained by the Dorians") unlike those "outside the Isthmus" which were the minority (see "since they were few in number") and thus became assimilated by the Aeolians, to such extent that they not only lost their dialect but also their customs and can thus be considered Aeolians.

So in shot.. learn how to read texts and dictionary entries and forget all about the humiliation that drives you to make stupid critisism about my capacity which is far out of your reach, since all you receive in return is ridicule.

[chicagogeorge]

helios, given that there is a massive amount of dialectal evidence of Doric. Can you please provide any evidence of non Doric etymology, or language syntax, or other linguistic sources that may show us that the Dorians originally spoke a non Greek language. As you know if a group once spoke one language and then adopted another, there will be some key terms that they continued to use.

I would love to see and hear your evidence.

Anyway here is a brief overview of Doric. Please feel free to point out any non Greek features of Doric.

[TirAlb]

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive...DE&oref=slogin

[Orphic_Hymn]

Originally Posted by TirAlb

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive...DE&oref=slogin

Wrong part quoted TirAlb.. "eat the roasted flesh of her son rather than to betray her country".. is the right one, and as already indicated, her hubby in his letter to Ali clarified that his country was Hellas.

[TirAlb]

Originally Posted by Orphic_Hymn

Wrong part quoted TirAlb.. "eat the roasted flesh of her son rather than to betray her country".. is the right one, and as already indicated, her hubby in his letter to Ali clarified that his country was Hellas.

There was no Hellas,when Ali Pash Tepelena was still alive.

[chicagogeorge]

[Andrew]

What is Dr Alban (Helios) try to "prove" now ??? That Doric is no greek dialect ??




Until 1200-1300 BC Doric (North Western Greek) and Aeolic were UNITED in a proto-continental greek dialect !!!