Souliotes

[chicagogeorge]

Originally Posted by helios

or another one:

This quote says nothing of the Souilotes backgroud, only that the Albanian army is in Yanina, and that Ali Pasha ruled it.

[chicagogeorge]

Originally Posted by helios

or another one:

http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/9...liotes4nw4.png

You forgot to give the source of this book, but it is obviously a modern book. It does call the Souliotes Albanian Christians and I agree. Many were, but many were ethnic Greeks as well. And they ALL SPOKE AND FELT GREEK.

[chicagogeorge]

Originally Posted by helios

you want more?

here you go
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/3...captainpx2.png

Is there a source here? What is the name of this book?

[chicagogeorge]

Originally Posted by helios

save your endless worthless pages to understand why they were called Greeks. You have the conclusive answer here:

[IMG]http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/3...otgreekip3.png[/IMG]

Ok, I searhced for this passage from Leake on google books and that page was not given. What source did you get this page from?


Also you said this:

Originally Posted by helios

Many, many , many pages to prove that Sulliotes were Greeks.
When the authors use the term Greeks, it means just CHRISTIANS because these {Greeks} didnt know how to speak......Greek.

No your own image above claims that the Souliotes spoke Albanian and Greek. So

[Orphic_Hymn]

Originally Posted by helios

Because others opinion is not an evidence.
Also your quote is not saying that Sulliotes were Greek-speakers.

But since you insist I have my sources too:

http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/1...apital4ft7.png

WHERE does it say they are Albanians?
Don't you know that during Ali Pasha's rule the region was incorporated into his Albania, Albanian ruler during the Ottoman empire doesn't mean that the population was Albanian.. its similar to saying that the entire population of the Ottoman empire was ethnic Turks.

Anyway, this one clears the mix up among western scholars.


Penny cyclopaedia of the Society for the Diffusion of Useful published 1842





Why did we see them use elements from both peoples?
Simple:

The new American cyclopædia published 1862






But do explain, why do you Albanians show such interest in people that didn't care about your country.. lets say for the sake of argument that you prove they were Albanians (which they were NOT), whats it to you, what do you gain, why would you care about a people that loathed you and never faught for your country but for the liberty of Hellas ?

[chicagogeorge]

Sorry Orphic

You beat me to the punch with that book. So I'll edit myself and post this

Here in Byron's works we clearly see the Souliotes and the other Greeks, further down we see Byron with Souliote guards and Greek interperters and further down he is separating the Souliotes and the Albanians.

[helios]

Originally Posted by Orphic_Hymn

WHERE

Anyway, this one clears the mix up among western scholars.


Penny cyclopaedia of the Society for the Diffusion of Useful published 1842





Why did we see them use elements from both peoples?

From YOUR BOOOK.

For the sake of the argument, read carrefully:

THE ORAL LANGUAGE IS ALBANIAN
THE GREEK LANGUAGE IS USED ONLY FOR WRITING

which means:
ALBANIAN WAS THEIR NATURAL LANGUAGE
while
GREEK IS USED FOR WRITING ONLY

That means
THEY WERE ALBANIANS

Originally Posted by Orphic_Hymn

But do explain, why do you Albanians show such interest in people that didn't care about your country.. lets say for the sake of argument that you prove they were Albanians (which they were NOT), whats it to you, what do you gain, why would you care about a people that loathed you and never faught for your country but for the liberty of Hellas ?

The Sulliotes are now exterminated, they dont exist anymore.
We do not simply show interest, WE CHECK OUR ROOTS, like every nation does, including the Greeks.

[Orphic_Hymn]

Originally Posted by helios

From YOUR BOOOK.

For the sake of the argument, read carrefully:

THE ORAL LANGUAGE IS ALBANIAN
THE GREEK LANGUAGE IS USED ONLY FOR WRITING

which means:
ALBANIAN WAS THEIR NATURAL LANGUAGE
while
GREEK IS USED FOR WRITING ONLY

That means
THEY WERE ALBANIANS

It means that you have no idea what you're talking about nor do you pay any attention to what has been posted in the topic.
Read the quote from the book your compatriot posted:

Speaking Albanian, for example, is not a predictor with respect to other matters of identity.

The Sulliotes are now exterminated, they dont exist anymore.
We do not simply show interest, WE CHECK OUR ROOTS, like every nation does, including the Greeks.

Exterminated... yeah right.. So no living descendants, that suits you.. but lets say that some do exist (which THEY DO) what are they in your book.. Hellenes or Albanians ??

[helios]

Originally Posted by Orphic_Hymn

Speaking Albanian, for example, is not a predictor with respect to other matters of identity.

The most powerful indication to define people ethnicity is THE MOTHER TONGUE. With plenty of evidences it is CONCLUSIVE that HOME ORAL language of the Sulliotes was Albanian.
This is not a debatable issue.
SULLIOTES ARE ALBANIANS.

Originally Posted by Orphic_Hymn

Exterminated... yeah right.. So no living descendants, that suits you.. but lets say that some do exist (which THEY DO) what are they in your book.. Hellenes or Albanians ??

No it doesnt suit me at all. I dont even care how Sulliotes would be felt if they were alive.
One thing I can say for sure. Sulliotes were Albanians by blood and Greek by religion.

[helios]

All of you dont forget:
These formidable warriors who fought for Hellas were mostly from ALBANIAN BLOOD.