Info about the Illyrians

[Draco]

Originally Posted by helios

You have the mythology, you have the {science} you are the master race, you tell me.

This is a classical logical fallacy. Try to present your opponents as Nazis so that you don't even have to prepare proper responses to them.

Originally Posted by helios

As for us we know we are AUTHOKTONES.

No one is "autochonous", everyone moved in at some point. Albanians may have been here longer than some groups (those who came after the Albanians migrated to the west Balkans from Dacia), but as long as Albanians speak an IE language, they are definitely not "autochonous".

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by helios

I exluded because, even if Albanians(south) would be the descendent of Troyans-Albans they are not excactly the same as 2000 years ago.



You have the mythology, you have the {science} you are the master race, you tell me.

As for us we know we are AUTHOKTONES.

Helios if you have watched this FORUM for a while ..you've must of noticed that I'm not "greco-centric" nor have any "racistic" view over Albanians ...

I don't know if you have read my posts , but I don't think that I'm exagerating with my claims and ,usualy, they also hapen to be "popular" claims among historians.

I can only say that there is no pure nation ...the "law" is that one group brings the language and imposes it to the previus one ....that was the case of Greeks , Italians ,celts ....Albanians etc.

[kostas68]

Originally Posted by helios

I cant teach you how do I know and how much I know..

Yes,you can't,because you didn't learn well your <lesson>.

Originally Posted by helios

Usually when you disscus on something where you have absolutely no idea and your base your opinion on other opinions(who telling the truth know less about Albanian) the chances are to be wrong.

Usually when you claim something that provokes the loud laughing of the 99,99% of all the serious people who hear it,there isn't any chance that you're right.

[helios]

Originally Posted by Andrew

Helios if you have watched this FORUM for a while ..you've must of noticed that I'm not "greco-centric" nor have any "racistic" view over Albanians ....

Now we are talking.
This is the way I want to talk.

Originally Posted by Andrew

I don't know if you have read my posts , but I don't think that I'm exagerating with my claims and ,usualy, they also hapen to be "popular" claims among historians.

Most of the time the truth stand far from what is "popular", espesially in sciences like History and language.

Originally Posted by Andrew

I can only say that there is no pure nation.

Of course there is not.

Originally Posted by Andrew

...the "law" is that one group brings the language and imposes it to the previus one ....that was the case of Greeks , Italians ,celts ....Albanians etc.

Hold on a second,
NOT always the invader imposes the language to the invaded.
Albanians are an example, Rumanian not.
But ALWAYS the language of the invaded has a great chance to be the invasor language substratus.

[helios]

Originally Posted by kostas68

Usually when you claim something that provokes the loud laughing of the 99,99% of all the serious people who hear it,there isn't any chance that you're right.

Since when all the serious people stand only on one side?

[Draco]

Originally Posted by helios

Most of the time the truth stand far from what is "popular", espesially in sciences like History and language.

This is definitely true in places like Albania and FYROM.

[helios]

Originally Posted by Draco

This is definitely true in places like Albania and FYROM.

and especially in Greece.

[kostas68]

Originally Posted by helios

Since when all the serious people stand only on one side?

Since they are serious they are standing on the side which claims the truth.If you don't like it or consider that your assertions are the truth,you can complain to them.Let's see if you can convince them.

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by helios

Most of the time the truth stand far from what is "popular", espesially in sciences like History and language.

"vulgar popular" is a bad think , but "scientific popular" means that you have many experts agrying on the theme ....

Hold on a second,
NOT always the invader imposes the language to the invaded.
Albanians are an example, Rumanian not.
But ALWAYS the language of the invaded has a great chance to be the invasor language substratus.

I was refering to the IEan case : proto-Greeks imposed it to the pre-Greeks , proto-Dacians to pre-Dacians ..proto-Illyrians to pre-Illyrians ..proto-Anatolians (Hittites,Luwians etd) to pre-anatolian (ex Hurians) populations of Asia minor ...

Of course the invaders don't always impose ,but they ca nbe absorbed by the population ..but I haven't understand your Rumanian example ...didn't they "latinize" their lingo after they got conquered by the Romans ?

[helios]

Originally Posted by Andrew

claims and ,usualy, they also hapen to be "popular" claims among historians.

Let me tell you something about the history scholars. I happen to see them and their job a lot.
Some of them are good but extremely very few.
Beleive me or not most of them wellpaid but worthy to cook in the kitchen.