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Old 11-18-2007, 12:11 PM
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You can see they are included in Celtic migrations as they were proto-celts
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"Arha Ellas apo Oricias kai arhegonos Ellas Epiros"

"Greece starts at Oricus and the most ancient part of Greece is Epirus."

Claudius Ptolemy, The Geographer

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"Arha Ellas apo Oricias kai arhegonos Ellas Epiros"

"Greece starts at Oricus and the most ancient part of Greece is Epirus."

Claudius Ptolemy, The Geographer

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/megist...arastashmaxon/
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"Arha Ellas apo Oricias kai arhegonos Ellas Epiros"

"Greece starts at Oricus and the most ancient part of Greece is Epirus."

Claudius Ptolemy, The Geographer

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/megist...arastashmaxon/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ancientgreekmapsandmore/
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"Arha Ellas apo Oricias kai arhegonos Ellas Epiros"

"Greece starts at Oricus and the most ancient part of Greece is Epirus."

Claudius Ptolemy, The Geographer

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/megist...arastashmaxon/
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The Name Of Epirus Was Given by the Hellenes.

It Was Given Be The "Corcyrians" in Corfu wich is probably reasonable to give that name,because the land accross them was "Epirus" as they were in an Island.

The region of epirus by most of the facts that ancient historians have given to us seems to be a non greek region:
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1)"Thucydides" In his book (Peloponessian War) He describes the Barbarian Allies of the Peloponessians.

"From the Hellenes there were the Ambraciots, Leucadians and 1000 Peloponessian hoplites."

"From the Barbarians there were: 1000 Chaones wich have no King but 2 Prostates for 1 year Fotis and Nikanores. The Chaones are joint by Thesprotes wich they to have no King. In the head of the Mollosians and the Atintanians was Sabylinthius wich was the tutor of King Tharypa (yet still a child). There were also the Parauey with their King Oroides and 1000 Orestes."
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2)"Skylax" He writes around (370-360 b.c) A Geographic book.
He describes the People that lives in Adriatic and Ionian region.

"In The North Adriatic lives the tribe of the Liburnians,
"The middle and the South Adriatic sea Is Populated By Illyrians"
"The Ionian sea is devided Between Chaons and Thesprots.Between them The Mollosians have opened an exit to the sea wich is (40 stadia=8Km)."
"After Mollosia it comes Ambracia an Hellenic Polis,which is (80 stadia) away from the sea"
"From there and down is Hellas no end"
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3)Strabo book VII

Hecataeus of Miletus says of the Peloponnesus that before the time of the Greeks it was inhabited by barbarians. Yet one might say that in the ancient times the whole of Greece was a settlement of barbarians,.... whereas the Dryopes, the Caucones, the Pelasgi, the Leleges, and other such peoples, apportioned among themselves the parts that are inside the isthmus--and also the parts outside, for Attica was once held by the Thracians who came with Eumolpus, {398} Daulis in Phocis by Tereus, {399} Cadmeia {400} by the Phoenicians who came with Cadmus, and Boeotia itself by the Aones and Temmices and Hyantes. Moreover, the barbarian origin of some is indicated by their names--Cecrops, Godrus, Aïclus, Cothus, Drymas, and Crinacus. And even to the present day the Thracians, Illyrians, and Epeirotes live on the flanks of the Greeks (though this was still more the case formerly than now); indeed most of the country that at the present time is indisputably Greece is held by the barbarians--Macedonia and certain parts of Thessaly by the thracians,and the parts above Acarnania and Aetolia by the Thesproti, the Cassopaei,the Amphilochi, the Molossi, and the Athamanes--Epeirotic tribes.
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Old 11-18-2007, 12:24 PM
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4)Plutarch-----------(Pyrrhus)------------

In his Book it is said:

"From him Achilles came to have divine honors in Epirus, under the name of Aspetus, in the language of the country"
Aspetus=Speito in Albanian and Fast in English.

Pyrrhus was brought at the home of the Illyrian King Glaucias:

"Thus being safe, and out of the reach of pursuit, they addressed themselves to Glaucias, then King of the Illyrians,and finding him sitting at home with his wife, they laid down the child before them."

He was rised as an Illyrian Prince:

"At present, therefore, he gave Pyrrhus into the charge of his wife, commanding he should be brought up with his own children; and a little later, the enemies sending to demand him, and Cassander himself offering two hundred talents, he would not deliver him up; but when he was twelve years old, bringing him with an army into Epirus, made him king."

The Brotherhood between him and Glaucias sons:
"He took a journey out of the kingdom to attend the marriage of one of Glaucias's sons, with whom he was brought up;"
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)Strabo:

He has written about the passengers which passes the Egnatia road:

"Starting from Epidamnus (Durres,Dyrrahio) and down to Apollonia, in the Right they have the tribes of Epirus....., in the Left they have the mountains of Illyria.....Then Sailing from Ambracian Golf and on, the places which is in the East and across Peloponnesous are Hellenic.

Also he writes:

"After the Epirotes and Illyrians, from the Hellenes are Akarnanes,Etoles,Lokries and Ezoles
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