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Hermes is known also that Koloumbusi is Abanian from the Illyrian family of Azteki
He found America after a map that inherited from his uncle, known Albanian prince of the Talmude.
Azteki and Illyrian are Arberese speakers and of course they belong to the pelasg family!!
As you said Azteki and Illiry/Albanians made (myth)history

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Originally Posted by Hermes

Napoleon was of Albanian blood....his ancestors moved from Albania as Arvanites in Mani ( an albanian pasha of the turk empire wrote him a letter, "to make him remember his blood and to save the albanian nation from the turks")
His family than had moved to Korsika and his original surname was Kalemiri / Kallomiri ---> Bona parte.
When Napoleon invaded Europe, he put his family members as Kings of the European doll Kingdoms. His brother was made the king of Napoli, and in one time when the arberesh/arvaniti/albanians of the south Italy ( those who had escape from albania and greece by the invasions of the turks) went to make greetings to the new king, he said that his family was arberesh as origin too.

Since I'm desparate for a good laugh I just have to ask you:

a) since when is Kalomiris an Albanian name ??

b) WHY on earth would an Albanian PASHA write to Napoleon asking him for assistance against the Turks when he was on the Turks side ?

c) as for his brother, do you have anything that would support this outrageous claim ?

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Originally Posted by Hermes

May be those soldiers were Illyrians.
there is no one great empire that had existed over Balcans that hadnt as its greatiest soldiers Ilirians, arberesh, and albanians.

The major flaw in your theory is that you are presenting a timelines of some 2.500 years and mentioning three totally unrelated people.

-the praetorium Guard was made especialy by Illyrians

Seems like you totally forgot about the rest of the conquered peoples used to form the guard.

-the Latin Lords in Greece after the Crossiates , wanted to have arberesh (the todays arvanitis, for this there are hundred of sources)soldiers to protect and to make wider their new dominations

Arvanites are NOT Albanians but while you claims "hundreds of sources: you conveniently never mention a single one.

-in the otoman empire, every one , without making an academy or a university, could have the posibbility to be a Vezir and other great positions in the administrate and army. 25-28 of its Vezirs were albanian.Thousands of others ruled in that empire....thats why greeks hate us so much, they have been always servers and humiliated ( by this albanians ).

All Muslims had such privileges and since you had converted in mass its simple logic to understand why. As for hatred, if you're talking about today.. what we hate is your nationalistic stupidity and the fact that a large portion of your criminals reside in our country.. if you're talking about then.. you just fail to see that you were seen as traitors that prefered the easy way out which was conversion, instead of standing up for your values.

- Mehmet Ali Pasha and Ibrahim Ali of Egipt were albanians.

Indeed they were, both became what they did not due to their ethnic backgroud but due to their conversion.

-Ali Pasha Tepelena (more than albanian)
-It has been an arberesh Pope and a prime minister of the born Italy.
-Garibaldi was also arberesh.

You could cite another 50,100,1000 A;banians.. the fact of the matter is that they didn't give a shit about your people nor country.. so why are you proud of them ?

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Originally Posted by Hermes

-3 Princes of Moldova were albanians
-18 Princes of Rumania were albanians
- Dont want to speak about Greece, bcz its not my intention to open again a debat.

As i have said before....ilyrians/albanians never wrote history, THEY MADE IT

a) do name them.
b) don't cause you didn't provide anything to disprove what we said the first time. When you do and only then.. start the discussion again.
c) As we've told you more than once, Illyrians have nothing to do with Albanians.

New Monthly Magazine edited by Thomas Campbell, Samuel Carter Hall, Edward Bulwer, Lytton Lytton, Theodore Edward Hook, Thomas Hood, William Harrison Ainsworth Published 1850 p.469

[Hermes]

Orphic....i am really really sory....but i dont have time, to go and to find the sources ( by name and date) that u want....i am really to busy....

About the unrelated people....the one Arberesh and Albanians....i just want to say u that they speak one language, have the same traditions, the same history, the same names, the same songs, the same indentity , Albania and Arberia are the same word, changed by the centuries( if u understand the elementary teory of lettere intercambili , dont know how is in english), may be u understand religion, but as i said, the religion , especially that that is imported is just a clothe for a real albanian, forigner culture is just for nations without identity, traditions and so on.
ABOUT the conection of them and Illyrians, i ask u ( bcz , i am a little poor in arguments) how much do u know about Illyrians, (and albanians, too) to make the teory that those are similar or different....? are u an expert or sth that trust the pastor of your church?

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Originally Posted by Hermes

Orphic....i am really really sory....but i dont have time, to go and to find the sources ( by name and date) that u want....i am really to busy....

About the unrelated people....the one Arberesh and Albanians....i just want to say u that they speak one language,

Arvanites speak an ancient form of Albanian prior to Ottoman influx upon the language, so while similarities exist so do differences.

have the same traditions,

Like what ?

the same history

How on earth is their history the same when one (Albanian) is that of the collaborator, the lackey, while the second (Arvanites) is that of the rebel in seek of his freedom from the opressor ?

the same names

Nope, a fine example is Pangalos a purely Hellenic name but used by Arvanites.

the same songs

Similarities is one thing and "same" a totally different issue. The Arvanitic songs share similarities to Epirotic (in the geographic sense) songs in general.

the same indentity

How do you claim same identity when they loathe you and want no connection what so ever with you?

Albania and Arberia are the same word

Others support this but there are also those that do not but this is of little interest, the whole point is that you use neither in your everyday speech but prefer to term Shipteria as a denomination of your country and people, so trying to prove connections based on a name that you don't even use is rediculous.

ABOUT the conection of them and Illyrians, i ask u ( bcz , i am a little poor in arguments) how much do u know about Illyrians, (and albanians, too) to make the teory that those are similar or different....? are u an expert or sth that trust the pastor of your church?

Just when I start to believe that you can indeed have a mature discussion you go and screw everything up in your closing statement.
What pastor crap is this?
I've posted the names of sources both historic and those of linguists, if you have an issue with them.. then read, stop being "poor in arguments" and provide something to refute or at least to suggest that what I've written is debatable.

[Hermes]

All these didnt said nothing...

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[Ptolemy]

Originally Posted by Hermes

All these didnt said nothing...

Everytime i read a post of you i wonder how much more stupid you can be. For the sake of materiality 2 negatives make a positive!! Wake up!!

[Teukros]

Is there any source that Napoleon had albanian origin?Also since when kalomiri is albanian since its a Greek word (kalo+moira)?But indeed that source about the albanian origin of napoleon is needed!!