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Old 01-12-2007, 02:50 PM
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Thanks guys.. but as you'll see this child has been infected by major brainwashing.. Hell I could fill the "one liners" with her stupidity alone..

Anyway... the little propagandist continues by manipulating the "Universal Declaration of Human Rights" to suit her twisted cause.. lets just note that NOT even the pseudo-state has stooped so low.

Same pathetic blog, same ignorant author..


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R.Salomon interprets Article 1.

In other words, under the Republic of Cyprus, both Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots needed to have equality. Neither should be treated as a minority. To try and impose minority status on the Turkish Cypriots goes contrary to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
Well unlike the our little propagandist believes the Turkish Cypriots are a minority but as we've explained above, the choice to be treated as one was strictly their own. But then again, according to your intepretation, they CAN NOT have the equality you demand, simply because they have denounced the Cypriot Republic and chose to form their own military ruled pseudo-state.

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R.Salomon interprets Article 2.

In other words, despite the fact that the TRNC is not recognized by any other country other than Turkey, is no excuse for trying to reduce the Turkish Cypriots to minority status.
Our ignorant little propagandist neglects that the island and thus populations have been separated due to Turkey's invasion and illegal partition of the island by the use of force.
As noted above in this case also, Article 2 CAN NOT apply to the Cypriot government simply because the Turkish Cypriots chose not to be part of it nor be recognized as residents of it. Since 1974 they chose to be under Turkish military rule and NOT under their own government.


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R.Salomon interprets Article 5.

Committing mass murder and imposing inhumane isolations because the Turkish Cypriots refuse to have their rights reduced to being a minority, when this declaration clearly states that they should be given equality, qualifies as cruel and unusual punishment that goes contrary to the principles set forth in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
R.Salomon is unable of comprehending the very Article she allegedly comments. The article little Rachel is unable to comprehend, states:

No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.


So in reality, one should actually wonder who she's debating in favor of.. Most probably be the Hellenic Cypriots that were killed by the thousands, part of the missing 1619 used as GUINEA-PIGS, not to neglect the 200.000 forced refugees..


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R.Salomon interprets Article 15.(1)

Given this, no one has a right to deny the rights of the Turkish Cypriots, for to do such is violating their right to have a nationality.
Nationality is defined as "membership in a particular nation".
So the very moment they not only abandoned the Cypriot nation but unilateraly decided to form the pseudo-state, they rejected their Cypriot nationality. Accusing the Cypriot Government for Turkish Cypriot decisions is at least rediculous..


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R.Salomon interprets Article 28

In other words, international recognition of the Greek Cypriots without recognition of the Turkish Cypriots in every aspect of life goes contrary to the rights and freedoms mentioned in the Universal Declaration of Universal Rights, as proven above.
The Turkish Cypriots were internationally recognized when they were part of the LEGAL Cypriot Rep.. It was their choice to abide by Turkey's orders and accept to be used for the implementation of Turkey's geopolitical interests.
Unlike what you have been brainwashed to believe, international recognition is NOT granted to pseudo-states formed through the use of force nor to psedo-states that have absolutely no respect to international decisions. But your hipocricy is beyond reason.. You literally spit on UN decisions which you've claimed to have absolutely no respect for, like you Turkey has also spat on UN demands of immediate withdrawal of the occupation forces, yet you dare invoke UN Human Rights Declarations when it suits your propaganda cause..

Make up your mind child, you either respect and abide by the law or have no right to it.



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R.Salomon interprets Article 30

Given this, it is us supporters of the Turkish Cypriots who should be quoting the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, not the Greek Cypriot side. As the saying goes, those in glass houses can not throw stones. As long as the Greek Cypriot side is violating the rights of the Turkish Cypriots, they have no right to manipulate this document in their favor.
Nicely quoted little Rachel.. my congratz.

Now read all 30 articles and strive to comprehend them. When you finally (if ever) do, you'll find that ALL 30 OF THEM can easily be applied to the Turkish illegal occupation.
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Old 01-13-2007, 03:33 PM
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Rachel Salomon's bigotry continues..

This time, the Macedoniaontheweb.com is her target.

In her comment in the Isrealinsider website on 01/13/2007 04:05 we have the pleasure of reading.

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And from a credible source, not some phony website like Macedonia Forum that makes unpaid interns into "pseudo-state propagandists."
One would actually question the quality of education provided to the American youth. Its simply inconceivable to even think that a University student could actually ignore the english language.

Our objective here at Macedoniaontheweb, has always been to inform the ignorant. While we usually inform them on historic issues, I believe we can make an exception and educate R.Salomon on the english language.

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propagandist

a person involved in producing or spreading propaganda.


but what is "propaganda" which R.Salomon clearly ignores?

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propaganda

information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.

Under the above definitions it is obvious that either she likes it or not, RACHEL SALOMON IS A PROPAGANDIST, spreading manipulated facts in an ill attempt to justify the illegal Turkish occupation of the island and the attempted partition by Turkey.

A friendly piece of advice to dearest Rachel.. stop the propaganda an strive to obtain what you lack, which is.. AN EDUCATION.
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Old 01-14-2007, 05:42 AM
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I want also to deposit my responce to Mrs Rachel Salomon in the below quote.........

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According to Harry Scott Gibbon’s “The Genocide Files,” “The first definite evidence of human habitation was about 7,000 BC, when settlers arrived from southern Turkey, Syria, and Palestine.”

“The island split up into several kingdoms which paid tribute to the Assyrians, the Egyptians, and then the Persians. Alexander the Great’s defeat of the Persians in 333 BC freed Cyprus, but on his death ten years later the island was fought over by his generals Ptolemy and Antigonus and finally became part of the Egyptian Ptolemy kingdom for 250 years. The Roman Empire took over from 58 BC to 395 AD, then followed Byzantine Cyprus from 395 to 1191.”

In other words, thus far, we have Assyrian, Egyptian, Persian, Macedonian, and Romans ruling Cyprus. No Greeks. Contrary to what the Greeks claim, the Byzantines were a Roman people, not Greek. They were known in history as the Eastern Roman Empire. Ptolemy was Egyptian, not Greek. And Alexander the Great was Macedonian, not Greek.

As I see Rachel you need some historical lessons, because in order to write a article that consern history and policy the first element is one from the most substantial sources.

So you claim that Greek presency were not in island before ...actually you are not specific.

I leave at the moment the Macedonian issue because is know Turkey in the N#2 ally in FYROM.
The n#1 ally is the US administration.


So you put a book as sourse and my fisrt respone will came also from a book dear propagandist Racel .This book is written by Andrew Borowiec and the title is ...Cyprus a Divided island

Here what the writer mention in the chapter 2(Legend and History)

She emerged from the white Mediterranean foam near the rocky shore at Romios and for centuries her perfect shape inspired sculptors, painters and poets. She was Aphrodite, the ancient Greeks’ goddess of love, beauty and reproduction. In Cyprus, her presumed birthplace where facts and legend often blend, some also considered her to be the patroness of lust, adultery and even rape. A French tourist brochure describes her as “a gracious goddess who protects unions and fecundates households but also inflames the hearts of men, pushing them toward all forms of sensuality.” Among her most famous statues is that of “Aphrodite of Cnidos” by the sculptor Praxiteles in about 350 B.C. To this day her graceful body is depicted on myriad posters urging tourists to visit “the island of love,” now divided between two uncompromising antagonists.

Few countries in the world have been subjected to the degree of violence that has plagued Cyprus throughout most of its known existence. Civilizations have left their imprint on Cypriot soil only to be replaced by subsequent conquerors. It seems that Cyprus was always coveted by hostile empires and kingdoms and by religion-inspired warriors and adventurers seeking a convenient base for military or religious ventures and trade in the Levant. The island’s cruel fate prompted a British official serving in the last days of colonial rule to note:

I do not know what ancient and powerful God must have taken offence but unquestionably a long-standing curse was laid upon Cyprus. The tides of every conquering host, of every civilized nation and religion in Europe and Asia, have swept over her and their remains still stand in awesome and ruinous splendor round her shores and upon her peaks.

Ancient Greeks and Romans left behind scattered relics of their often glorious past. The spectacular ruins of Salamis, once the main center of Greek culture in Cyprus, are today in the Turkish sector of the island.



Of course Mrs Rachel all the above are uknown to you and this that you represent. Continue to teaching Greek to you just I want to add something that you on purpose forget to mention.

THE ARCHALEOGICAL EVIDENCE.

N#1

Look what mention the UNESCO regadring Paphos

Paphos has been inhabited since the Neolithic period. It was a centre of the cult of Aphrodite and of pre-Hellenic fertility deities. Aphrodite's legendary birthplace was on this island, where her temple was erected by the Myceneans in the 12th century B.C. The remains of villas, palaces, theatres, fortresses and tombs mean that the site is of exceptional architectural and historic value. The mosaics of Nea Paphos are among the most beautiful in the world.

source :Paphos - UNESCO World Heritage Centre

N#2
In the below link you can red plenty of epigraphical texts that show the Greek presence in the sunrise of the written scripts
Search Epigraphical Database -- beta version

if you have problem to read them , the macedonianontheweb members have the willing to enlight you and help you dear Rachel.

As you see dear Rachel you forgot to mention a lot of thinks regarding the Cyprish history and the most important that the Greek presence in the divided island by the Turkish occupiers is since 12 cent B.C.

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Old 01-14-2007, 06:38 AM
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Mrs Rachel Salamon in hers personnal blog has a propagandistic video with the name

Greek terror against Muslims

of course this propagndistic video expose the knownTurkish nationalostic thesis regarding Cyprus issue.


Mrs Rachel below you can see what the US media TV channel FOX and present the Turkish Terror against Christians


Of course is more valuable a video from a known channel(and not Greek) that a Turkish propagandistic video like this that Mrs Rachel Salamon has in hers blog.

BTW Mrs Rachel what do you know for the connection of the fashist organization "Kibris Turktur Cemiyeti" with the TC pseudo-state leaders?
I mean PRO-1974 dear propagandist Rachel ?

you have one week for responce dear

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Orphic, i admire your courage for wasting your time with these ludicrus internet-addicted propagandists. Aside of the rest of her undiluted gibberish you have exposed so far, i just noticed her text which akritas has quoted.

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“The island split up into several kingdoms which paid tribute to the Assyrians, the Egyptians, and then the Persians. Alexander the Great’s defeat of the Persians in 333 BC freed Cyprus, but on his death ten years later the island was fought over by his generals Ptolemy and Antigonus and finally became part of the Egyptian Ptolemy kingdom for 250 years. The Roman Empire took over from 58 BC to 395 AD, then followed Byzantine Cyprus from 395 to 1191.”

In other words, thus far, we have Assyrian, Egyptian, Persian, Macedonian, and Romans ruling Cyprus. No Greeks. Contrary to what the Greeks claim, the Byzantines were a Roman people, not Greek. They were known in history as the Eastern Roman Empire. Ptolemy was Egyptian, not Greek. And Alexander the Great was Macedonian, not Greek.
Let aside all the rest of the unfounded claims, during her spasmodic seizure here to find something to write that makes sense, notice how she contradicts herself since she is clueless about ancient history. Unfortunately for all these funny propagandist characters, the 5-min google searching never fill fully their general ignorance but from the other hand, they prove how right was Martin Luther King when he said about some cases like hers "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."

In the begining she mentions Ptolemy, is a general of Alexander thus Macedonian (unless she is even dumber to believe Alexander had Egyptian generals) and in the next paragraph she contradicts herself by claiming now...Ptolemy was Egyptian!!

At least the articles of this shameless exhibition of turkish propaganda will be useful to scientists since they are the world's greatest proof of reincarnation. I mean.. no one could get that dumb in just one lifetime!!!

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Does anyone believe she has actually ever read a book in her life?

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Old 01-16-2007, 02:39 PM
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Although I'll get in the mud with the worst of them, when I come across a bigoted, ill-informed, sanctimonious historical propagandist like this, I feel that even the mud of the pigs we usually roll around in when dealing with the Stefovs of the world is too pristine to allow Ms. Salomon in.
But all the blame is not hers. Her teachers should be fired for failing to instill in her even the tiniest bit of intellectual integrity. Now she sits back, firing whatever historical missive enters her peanut-sized brain oblivious to the facts and the potential damage they can cause. As a Jew, she, more than anyone else, should recognize the harm lies disguised as truth can cause. Is she so stupid as to believe that the methods used by Goebbels in the near obliteration of her people, are in effect, acceptable if not proper? She should be ashamed of herself.
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I would also like to inquire from Mr. Hymn, in what period in history did the Turks slaughter 20,000 Greek Cypriots from Nicosia alone and deliberately burn churches? From what sources did you hear this from? What documentation do you have to support this accusation
I read accidentaly this one. Seems our anti-greek propagandist is so clueless about the history of Cyprus that she is totally unaware of the hideous crimes commited by the primitive barbarians called Turks.

So you are historically inept about the "period of history that Turks slaughtered 20,000 Greek Cypriots from Nicosia " but yet you write articles about Cyprus history under the.. ironic title "Truth about Cyprus"???

More ironically the full-scale slaughter of 20,000 Nicosians from the barbarian turks is quite easily found in the net - except of course if you are a Turk or else if you are doing propaganda in favour of the Turks, somehow both of these mysteriously never find such infos - Geez, it seems Turks must pay really good nowadays!!

"In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted. Word of the massacre spread, and a few days later Mustafa took Kyrenia without having to fire a shot. Famagusta, however, resisted and put up a heroic defense that lasted from September 1570 until August 1571."

Cyprus - Historical Setting - Ottoman Rule
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After being caught intentionally manipulating texts, events and quotes, she resorted to slandering Macedoniaontheweb..
Now, in her strife to regain some of her humbled ego, she resorts to attacking an entire country and people.. Hellas/Hellenes..

Lets take a look at her lastest article of hate, titled "Just Facts, Not Myths by Rachel Salomon"


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R.Salomon claims

His book, “The Genocide Files,” received excellent reviews from Anne Robinson, a leading columnist from The Express, and Professor Norman Stone of Oxford University.
Firstly Norman Stone was NOT in Oxford when the comment in question was made. Suprize, suprize little Rachel, in 1997 (date of the book's publication) he was employed at the "Bilkent University" of Ankara and then in 2005 was transfered to "Koc University".. besides Norman Stone has been strongly critisized for his statements against the "Armenian Genocide" the reason is more than simply obvious, but I'll let you guess..

As for Anne Robinson, the only thing left to say is "You ARE the weakest link"


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As Harry Scott Gibbons recorded in the “Genocide Files,” “Zeki Halil Karabuluk, happy husband and father, and Jemaliye Emir, happy, good-looking divorcee with few cares, were standing together when the first burst came. They were only a few hundred yards from home. The bullets cut them nearly in two, flinging them into the road in a jumbled heap. Three onlookers rolled over on the pavement, wounded by a second hysterical outburst. The crowd, screaming, fled. The uniformed police, joined by the civilian gunmen, leapt into their cars and drove off.” The historical fact is that the victims of this incident were Turkish Cypriot civilians shot at by Greek Cypriots in cold blood, not the other way around, as Mr. Argyrou claims.
You discovered the Cyprus Conflict Rachel, but its more than obvious that you didn't pay any attention when reading it and strictly presented it as a source to gain some credibility.. Had you actually read it instead of continuing with Gibbon's trash, you would have known that:

Richard A. Patrick, an officer in the UNFICYP during the crucial period of the 1960's has written the "Political Geography and the Cyprus Conflict, 1963-1971", in his book, which is considered the most authoritative accounts of the period, wrote in Chap. 3 :

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On 21 December 1963, an angry Turkish-Cypriot crowd surrounded an armed and nervous Greek-Cypriot police patrol in Nicosia. Accounts of the confrontation differ between the Cypriot communities.[footnote 1] On one point, however, they agree; two Turk-Cypriot civilians and one Greek-Cypriot policeman were shot dead. This incident marked a major crisis in the Cypriot inter-communal conflict.
Do note that in footnote 1 he states :
1. Refer to H.S. Gibbons, 1969, pp. 2-5; H.D. Purcell, 1969, p. 324.


So the question here is WHY would H.S Gibbons who in his "Peace Without Honour" published in Ankara in 1969 clearly stated that there was a Hellenic Cypriot policeman shot, MANIPULATE his original account and in his 1997 "Genocide files" present all Hellenic Cypriot policemen driving off in a car ??

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In other words, the Greek Cypriots wanted to create problems that would not have existed otherwise and get the world to falsely believe that they are just in doing so through deception and propaganda, deprive the Turks of all of their legal rights, prevent Turkey from intervening on behalf of the Turkish minority, violate the independence of the country by making Cyprus part of Greece, and have Cyprus be above the rules of international law, by not having to abide by the very agreements that made Cyprus a state to begin with.
Don't present your ill interpretation of the issue, we've already concluded that you never understood it to begin with.
But the questions here are:

WHAT happened to your fallacious interpretation of the Akritas plan, what happened to your highly respectable sources that allegedly supported your fallaciously claim that it was a plan to exterminate the Turkish Cypriot population ??

At least we managed to educate you a little and assist you in comprehending that the Akritas plan was nothing more than a political plan that would allow the Cypriots to implement what they had long desired.. ENOSIS.

But while you make a step forward, you jump back into ignorant pseudo-state propaganda.. WHY manipulate Loucas Charalambous' article which mentions NOTHING remotely close to depriving Tukrish Cypriots (DO NOT deprive them of their right to bear the title Cypriot) of their rights ??


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Let me note that all of the amendments that the Greek Cypriots sought to make to the constitution were related to protecting the equal rights of the Turkish Cypriots.
FALLACIES

To think that you dared to quote the Galo Plaza report yet totally ignored what he noted on the constitutional amendments.

From the Cyprus Conflict website:

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The Galo Plaza Report on Cyprus

40. Several of the most important amendments proposed by the President reflected deadlocks which had actually occurred in the functioning of the Constitution. For example, in proposing that, the right of veto of the President and the Vice-President should be abolished, he referred to the fact that the latter had vetoed a majority decision of the Council of Ministers that the organizational structure of the Cyprus army should be based on mixed units comprising both Greek-Cypriots and Turkish-Cypriots, since the Vice- President had favoured separate units.

41. Again, in proposing that the constitutional provisions requiring separate majorities for the enactment of certain laws by the House of Representatives should be abolished, the President cited the failure of the House to enact an income tax law. Similarly, he proposed that unified municipalities should be established, on the grounds that the constitutional provision for separate communal municipalities in the five main towns had proved unworkable, one reason being the failure of the President and the Vice-President to reach agreement on the determination of the boundaries.

42. Difficulties in the functioning of the mixed Public Service Commission, where certain decisions require a minimum number of Greek and Turkish votes depending upon whether a Greek-Cypriot or a Turkish-Cypriot is concerned, led to the proposal by the President that all decisions of the Commission, without exception, should be taken by simple majority vote. He proposed also that the ratios of Greek and Turkish representation in the Public Service (70-30 per cent), the security forces (70-30 per cent) and the army (60-40 per cent) should be modified over a period of time to bring them into line with the ratio of Greeks to Turks in the population as a whole (then expressed as 81.14-18.86 per cent).

43. The President's proposals also included the following: the administration of justice to be unified; the division of the security forces into police and gendarmerie to be abolished; the numerical strength of the security and defence forces to be determined by legislation; the Greek President and the Turkish Vice-President of the House of Representatives to be elected by the House as a whole; the Greek Communal Chamber to be abolished.


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, “it is judged that we have greater possibilities of succeeding in our efforts to influence international public opinion in our favor if we present our demand, as we did during the struggle, as a demand for exercising the right of self-determination, rather than as a demand for Enosis.”

Again, the Greek Cypriot leadership is deceiving the world by making a war of genocide against the Turkish Cypriot people into a struggle for self-determination in the eyes of international world opinion.

The extent of manipulation and historic ignorance depicted in these trash articles are literally unbelievable..

Just above our ignorant propagandist, had totally abandoned the notion of the Akritas plan being related to killing. But, just when we thought she was finally on her way towards obtaining some knowledge, she again made the backstep towards the darkness of ignorance and returns to making the audacious claim of 'genocide'..
Next time, when you read an article, do strive to comprehend it and present the quote in whole, not just your nit-picked manipulation of it..

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Akritas Plan
External tactics (international)

e) Further, it is estimated that we have better chances of succeeding in our efforts to influence international public opinion in our favour if we present our demand, as we did during the struggle, as a demand to exercise the right of self-determination, rather than as a demand for union with Greece (Enosis). In order, however, to secure the exercise of complete and free self-determination, we must get free of all those provisions of the constitution and of the agreements (Treaty of Guarantee, Treaty of Alliance) which prevent the free and unfettered expression and implementation of the wishes of our people and which create dangers of external intervention. It is for this reason that the first target of attack has been the Treaty of Guarantee, which was the first that was stated to be no longer recognised by the Greek Cypriots.
So Rachel, you were just taught that according to the Akritas Plan, the two above mentioned Treaties prevented the magority of the Cypriot people from exercising their right if ENOSIS. A right that had been clearly forbidden in the two treaties mentioned. But in order to comprehend this, you first need to read the treaties.



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This is proven by what Makarios said in the Greek newspaper Bunte Illustrierte in 1972, “The union of Cyprus with Greece (Enosis) required the extermination of the Turkish Cypriot community.” Reading this, I don’t know how any one except a very ignorant person can interpret the Akritas Plan as any thing but a plan on how to deceive the world as the Greek Cypriots committed a genocide against the Turkish Cypriots. Any plan whose objective is to wipe out an entire group of people can easily be compared to Mein Kampt.
The celebration of racism and hatred continues through her propaganda and ill comparison of the Hellenic Cypriots to the Nazi by INTENTIONALLY MANIPULATING quotes.

As already noted:

The interview Makarios gave to the Bunte Illustrierte was given in April 19th 1973 and NOT in 1972, but that is the least that should bother us. The MANIPULATION is the reference to extermination which was NEVER mentioned hence why Mrs. Karin Kaemmereit NEVER wrote such a thing.

The TRUE quote also presented by the pseudo-states so-called "ministry of foreign affairs and defence" in an article written by Osman Orek is as follows:

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"I have been and shall always be in favour of union of Cyprus with Greece."


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According to the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs Report on “Anti-Semitism in Greece: Embedded in Society,”
MORE FALLACIES

Firstly, it is NOT a report but an interview with Moses Altsech.
Secondly the Jerusalem Center clarifies for all you propagandists that:
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The opinions expressed herein do not necessarily reflect those of the Board of Fellows of the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs.
But of what value is an interview with this Moses Altsech, an individual that accuses us if not recognizing him as Hellenic when he defines himself as "Greek born" and not a Hellen.
Unlike the racist belief that you've been taught, Jews do not constitute a race but a religion, so strive to comprehend that your religion should not be equated to the highly racist 'anti-Semite' term you continuously use.

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A 2000 Eurobarometer survey found that 38 percent of Greeks had issues with people from other nationalities living in their country. This is the highest in the entire European Union and thus, makes Greece the most xenophobic country in all of Europe.

Interesting.. next time Rachel, present the entire quote and STOP the nitpicked propaganda posting.. While Moses Altsech's statements may be debated, at least he was honest enough to state that the escalation in crime is one of the factors for this belief.

According to the official "Ministry of Public Order" statistics we see the following table of homicides commited:
(only for the last 5 years)

Year . . Natives . . Immigrants. . . Total
??2002 . . . . 187 . . . . 91 . . . . 278
2003 . . . . 189 . . . .113 . . . .302
2004 . . . . 193 . . . . 64 . . . . 257
2005 . . . . 195 . . . . 91 . . . . 286
2006 . . . . 112 . . . . 51 . . . . 163


From the above statistics is more than simply obvious that the immigrant population that composes approx. 7-8% (797.091) of the total country's population (10.964.020) managed to commit approx. 30% of the crime in question..
Of course these nubers change from crime to crime.. Lets just note that during the last 5 years (according to the same source) there have been some 15.000 cases of counterfeit commited by immigrants in contrast to only approx. 2.500 cases by Natives.

Let me again note that we are comparing the crimes commited by a population of 10.000.000 (MILLION) in contrast to those commited by some 800.000 (THOUSAND)


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Proof of such xenophobia was demonstrated on December 11, 2006, where it was reported that four Greek high school students raped a sixteen year old Bulgarian girl.
Pathetic that the extent of racism has lead her to depict such hatred towards an entire people..

But it is suprising that R.Salomon, the beyond doubt unqualified pseudo-state propagandist, now is presenting herself as a judicial expert. There is literally no other way to explain her making judgement on issues that the appointed judge and forensic surgeon have yet to address..

But her total approach is actually dissapointing. One would have expected that she, as any sane human would do, would have condemned this alleged event but on the contrary we find her exploitating a social phenomenon in her ill attempt to slander an entire country and its people..

One would wonder with what pleasure she was informed of the rape of a Hellenic mother while the daughter was forced to watch and then the rape of the daughter while the mother was forced to do the same (watch).. and yes Rachel, this hideous act was performed by an illegal immigrant of Albanian origin.

But your hatred has no compramise to humanity..




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As the 2004 referendum on the Annan Plan shows, 75.8 percent of Greek Cypriots opposed the Annan Plan, while 64.9 percent of Turkish Cypriots supported the Annan Plan, according to BBC World News.

Yes the Hellenic Cypriots DID reject the Annan FIASCO.. the first question here would be if our beloved Rachel has ever read the plan and if she ever did, if she actually comprehended it!!!

Lets start by hearing answers to the following:

* Would ALL Hellenic Cypriots be allowed to return to his occupied home?

* Would the illegal occupation forces leave the island as so many UN Resolutions have demanded?

* Would they not only be allowed to remain on the island by avoiding to implement the full demilitarisation, but would also have the right to intervene after Cyprus became a member of the EU??

* Would the illegal settlers be forced to leave the island or did the plan commemorate the breach of the Geneva Convention ?

* Was the plan not totally descriminatory by allowing the Turkish Cypriots to immediately return to the South while ONLY 20% of the Hellenic Cypriots could return to the North and this within the process of 25 years ?

* Were all Turkish crimes of killing, looting, pilage not swept under the carpet in a clear breach of the European Convention on Human Rights??

* Were the Hellenic Cyptiots that would decide to return to their ancestral homes in the North forbidden of having children since the 6% analogy per village had to be maintained.. Is this not a clear definition of GENOCIDE as described in AUN Res. 260 d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group ?

*Were these same Hellenic Cypriots forbidden from opening Hellenic speaking schools should they chose to endure this Genocide?

* Did the FIASCO not provide the Turkish Cypriots with a 50-50 representation and by doing so forcing the majority into a minority status?


I could continue, but the point is that by presenting the Annan FIASCO as an argument, you simply strengthen my continuous indication of your ignorance..



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Can readers imagine what it would be like to live on an island where there are no direct flights off the island and where you can not receive direct mail from the outside world? Do readers understand how a Turkish Cypriot businessman must feel to have his goods boycotted just because of his place of birth and ethnicity? Can readers comprehend the rage and humiliation felt by a Turkish Cypriot who is greatly disturbed by the fact that the only government that he or she had democratically elected is not represented at any international forum with the exception of the Organization of the Islamic Conference and is not recognized by any other state other than Turkey, for committing no other crime than existing?
The readers (if any) obviously can understand since their comprehension of the issue is far beyond your imaginative presentation of it..

The question here is can YOU imagine having your house taken from you with force, can YOU imagine being forbidden to visit your father's, mother's, grandfather's, grandmother's..etc grave to pay your respect, can YOU imagine not being allowed to go and see the lands you were raised on, can YOU imagine seeing your mother crying for 30 years not knowing what actually happened to her son, can YOU imagine being one of those mothers and hearing that the illegal occupation forces used YOUR missing son as a GUINEA PIG ?!?!?!

Now that we're done with imagining, lets turn to reality..
The ONE AND ONLY reason that the WORLD has imposed such a treatment on the pseudo-state is the illegal occupation forces. Like it or not, the world has evolved and the middle age mentality of conquer and rule has been abandoned by all rational thinking individuals. If YOU and the alleged supporters actually care about the Turkish Cypriot population, its high time you showed it by comdemning the illegal occupation...
Or even better, start by condemning pseudo-leaders like Talat that threaten the Hellenic Cypriots of closing the border should they continue to persist on the law suits..
WHO is the 'supporter' that would justify his banning some 10.000 Turkish Cypriots from passing into the South for work on a daily basis and by doing so deprive them of the wages they so desparately need ?



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It is evident that as long as historical facts and present-day realities are denied by the Greek Cypriot side in favour of myths that there will never be peace. As British Parliamentarian Michael Stephen said...
Firstly Rachel its FORMER.. but quoting a British source on this issue is identical to quoting you or Denktash. When you'll finally understand that the problem exists due to British and US interests, then you will have made a step towards the right direction.

I stress you look into ALL signed or proposed treaties/agreements and especially the 5th Annan FIASCO which suddenly allowed Britain to determine territorial waters and the extent of the island's continental shelf..
Interestingly enough, Cyprus and Egypt were doing research after a 2003 agreement of exploiting resources of common interest.. The rush for the implementation of the FIASCO is obvious we note that what they found is... OIL.
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BRAVO MEYALE!! Keep up the defense!

This lady is worse than many of the Skopjians! I wonder what kind of educational background she has that allows her to make such erroneous claims about a history she knows absolutely nothing about!

People like this need to be shown the TRUTH. And no they should never be ignored. To ignore them is to allow lies to spread and before one knows it the Greeks are the bad guys. This is exactly what happened when the World Powers did nothing to stop Hitler before WWII started. They talked about doing something but decided it was only a regional issue. What they seemed to overlook was that small regional issues SPREAD! Of course we all know what happened!? If they would have just stepped in earlier the whole war could have been avoided.

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What is the address to her Blog? I would like to make some responses from my professional viewpoints(Archaeologists, Historian).
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