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HellenicPride
08-02-2006, 04:29 PM
These are collective memories of what happen in WW2 under Bulgarian occupation by Greeks themselve who lived or where children and remember everything. Very interesting information that just shows how cruel Bulgarians were towards Greeks.

In a society where everyone knew each other and family relations were close and extended, two whole villages were suddenly plunged into a permanent state of mourning. One informant for declared that she had lost thrity five relatives. All informants, even those who hadn't lost people from their immediate family, always spoke of the executions in the first person plural: " They slaughtered us."

All the informants repeatedly lingered over the events and descriptions of the executions- the "slaughter," as they called it each contributing different aspects of the events. This was also the first subject they referred to when queried on the occupation, which , for all practical purposes, seems to be totally identified with the events of September 28-29 of 1941.

The execution left an especially intense scar on the collective memory of the Christians as the "slaughter of Giola" (Giola means ditch in Turkish) especially since all inhabitants of the village were potential victims, including women, children and the aged. In the case of Doxatians, however, because the executions occured without eyewitnesses, the main point of reference for their memory was the imprisonment by the Bulgarians of the women, children, and elderly within the village school for two days without food or water. Of course, the most intense and emotionally loaded was the memory of those who were among the potential victims and of those who lost relatives and friends. Many of those who lost their fathers or young siblings in the executions seemed to have been traumatized for life psychologically, socially, and economically.

Some couldn't manage to continue their education, others were compelled to emigrate to German occupied Greece, many had suffered starvation, most felt that they were socially marginalized: " Ever since then I have a lot of complexes... anywhere you went they called you the 'the orphan'... my mother as a widow did no fit anywhere." They saw the executions as being responsible for all the hardships suffered after the occupation, that is, during the recuperation period in the mid 1940s to the mid 1950's: " The men who were the pillars of our house are gone"; "Our family has four dead. Only women and children have remained."

"If the Bulgarian mayor was passing and you did not notice him and salute he'd come up to you and give you two slaps on the face"; "If you were caught speaking Greek, they'd beat you." Each informant recalled the ill treatment or public disgrace that they themselves, relatives, or co villagers suffered. The memories of various forms of forced labor imposed by the Bulgarian authorities especially as reiterated by the informants from the first generation also fell under this category of psychological oppression. " Bulgaria? Forced Laboria!" " They made us hunt grasshoppers in the fields with sheets!" They also had unpleasant memories of those fellow inhabitants who were "Bulgarized" or written up as Bulgarians" during the occupation. They were usually called tattle tales, spies, traitors and janissaries.

"Hunger, hunger, lice and psora";We would go out to graze! We ate weeds. Within a year we were skeletons. The Bulgarians commandeered all beasts of burden and wagons, there was no work left, unemployment ravaged the population; the harvests of cereals were withheld almost exclusively by the Bulgarians."

"Those who were killed were our brothers, friends, our children we played with them. Not one of our informants tried to forget, either because they couldn't or because they believed that it was their duty to remember; and this not only in honor of the past (the dead), but also as a positive heritage for the future (children and grandchildren).

"If you forget history, thats it, your finished. That which we suffered should be taught to the following generations in order that such events are not repeated again."

" The dream of Bulgarian is to annex eastern Macedonia into Bulgaria. They therefore wanted to erase all traces of Hellenism here. They wanted an outlet into the Aegean. Their gaze was always riveted here. Most, ofcourse, do not spare the opportunity to emphasize that the Bulgarians were allies with the Germans and that they therefore were able to enter the region "holding onto the coattails of the Germans," as they say with all the negative connotations that expression may contain. They even add that the Germans gave them Greek Macedonia because the Bulgarians " helped them pass through. The Germans brought them. How could the Bulgarians possibly handle it by themselves? In this way, their final retreat was seen as disgraceful and immediately correlated with that of the Germans: " Germany collapsed, and they left too."

Xanthippi Kotzageorgi-Zymari, Tassos Hadjianastassiou, Mark Masower from the book called After the war was over..

akritas
08-02-2006, 05:04 PM
THere is also one more intresting think as about the Bulgarian Occupation.ELAS estimated a huge numbers of colloborators (6000-7000) that must invistagated before accuse them in theso-called Pepole Courts.
The cause of this huge numbers were the "admistritavive measeurs" that took the Bulgarian authorities against in the Greek, Pomak and Jewish populations.We must not forget that Komotene also consider as region that was under Bulgarian occupation.

akritas
08-27-2006, 10:36 AM
Below is a British Report that explain a lot as about the Bulgarian occupation in Easten Macedonia.
The photo is from the book of Xanthippi Kojageorgi Zemari and has title
"The Bulgarian Occupation in Eastern Macedonia and Thrace,IXMA 2002"

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/6108/scan10040bq6.jpg

HellenicPride
08-27-2006, 02:57 PM
Below is a British Report that explain a lot as about the Bulgarian occupation in Easten Macedonia.
The photo is from the book of Xanthippi Kojageorgi Zemari and has title
"The Bulgarian Occupation in Eastern Macedonia and Thrace,IXMA 2002"

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/6108/scan10040bq6.jpg



My father is a Dramino, and I still remember the stories my Grandmother would tell me about the Bulgarians. She remembered the day clearly when they first came into her village Milopotamos. She was a young women Im not mistaken in her early teenage years. The words that I will always remember her telling me as a child that her family lost everything, ( Αχριστοι ανθρωποι ). Obviously as a child I had no clue what she was talking about but as I got older and became much more aware it hit me.

akritas
08-27-2006, 03:09 PM
Hellenic Pride I have also one more source regarding the Mylopotamos.The names of the victimes at the Dramas uprizing.Print and show in your family. I am sure that they will remember some names.


http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/861/scan10041wc1.jpg





http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/4530/scan10042mq6.jpg

HellenicPride
08-27-2006, 03:32 PM
Hellenic Pride I have also one more source regarding the Mylopotamos.The names of the victimes at the Dramas uprizing.Print and show in your family. I am sure that they will remember some names.


http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/861/scan10041wc1.jpg





http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/4530/scan10042mq6.jpg


I really dont know what to say but Im completely shocked that their were records kept no such a small village such as Milopotamos. Akritas I cant thank you enough for this information and I will definately print it out once I get off my lazy ass and buy some ink for my printer lol. Some of the names I recognize but too sure of , Im practically related to the whole village...

akritas
08-27-2006, 04:11 PM
HellenicPride the most intresting part regarding my seeking and study is the is the Macedonia history at the 40s.Specially the Eastern Macedonia, a region that I know very well.
Many people think that I am good in the ancient history.Just for the record my knowlenge in the ancient history is as my English grammar.BAD:wacko:
Take care patrida and if you anything as about the Drama I will be glad to help you

Amyntas
08-27-2006, 08:11 PM
akrita do you have anything similar to this about the region arround Giannitsa? The village's name where my mother was born is Leptokaria and her grandmother used to tell her stories about WWII and how her grandfather was fighting germans and bulgarians. There must have been atrocities and i also would be very glad to get to see a part of my own history :)

Hope you can help me on this one

akritas
08-28-2006, 08:11 AM
No i don't have Giourkas.I will search and if I found anything I will notice at once:)

akritas
12-15-2006, 04:55 PM
Some more imformations regarding this thread.
Due to Drama revolt (the first action in Axis occupied countries in wwII) and the violent suppression that followed, the Bulgarians advanced to mass executions of the civilian population.
How many killed ? 2.140 people.... I have all the names, as some members realized that.

Now a comparison between Bulgarian Zone and German Zone

On the administrative level, Greek political, police, and other authorities were disbanded and replaced by Bulgarian counterparts. (Germans never replaced them)
The Greek schools were closed and replaced with Bulgarian ones. Along with the Greek intellectuals (doctors, lawyers, teachers, notary publics, etc.), who were deported by the Bulgarian authorities because they "could influence the population," (Germans never done this.)
Greek Metropolitans and a great number of Greek priests were also expelled from the territory, many of them having been maltreated. The positions of the expelled priests were filled by Bulgarian clergymen, who conducted services only in the Bulgarian language. The compulsory use of the Bulgarian language, in both written and spoken forms of speech, was imposed throughout the occupied area, and the use of the Greek language was forbidden. (German never involved in religion matters)
The possession and use of Greek historical books and printed material was also forbidden, and Greek printing-houses were not allowed to operate. (Germans they didnt care as about the books.Controlled only the press)
Measures were also taken that aimed at the economic impoverishment of the Greek population, as well as at its oppression and physical extermination - labor battalions, forced labor.(Germans done this, but not in sequence as the Bulgarians done)
source
1-Xanthippi Kojageorgi Zemari, The Bulgarian Occupation in Eastern Macedonia and Thrace,IMXA 2002
2-Pasxalides-Xatzianastasiou,Gegonota Dramas, Municipality Dramas,2003

xroniares meres!!!!!

HellenicPride
12-15-2006, 05:36 PM
Great posts I always heard especially by my grandmother that many Greeks left Drama and the surrounding area to go to German occupied territories. The difference in life was much better under German controlled areas meaning the Germans were not as ruthless as the Bulgarians.

akritas
12-15-2006, 05:49 PM
Hellenic Pride dont forget that your source divide the East Macedonia population in three generations

-The first and second generations that lived all the historical events and were born in 1900 and on. Undoubtedly for these generations, the most painful of memories from the period of the occupation were of the events following the ill-fated Drama revolt. These are the prevalent memories from the occupation, memories that are deeply rooted within the collective subconscious, regardless of whether the specific individuals lost loved ones due to the executionsthat followed.

-The third generation consists of people who were born from 1955 and on.Our generation that learned these historical events by books and from the other two generations.