A post from a greek about the FYROM issue.

[Ptolemy]

Well, i took it from that yahoo adventure crap, but it deserves anyone to read it.


Skopje's history is based on falsification or better fabrication of a so called "Macedonian" history and nation. First thing, their ‘scholars’ did was to get rid off all evidences and everything which would connect Skopians to their brethren Bulgarians. They changed all their surnames from -ov to -vski to fool themselves that they are different from Bulgarians. They got rid off, as much elements as they could from their Bulgarian language as to try and convince everybody that their dialect was something separate from Bulgarian. Second thing is their attempt to convince everyone that ancient Macedonia and its history is something separate from Hellas and Hellenic history. Thats why you see all over internet nothing else than propaganda of the type "Macedonians are/were not Hellines" "Alexander hated Hellenes" and such pathetic excuses. Now think of a while their argumentation. They are not trying to prove ancient Macedonia were Slavs (even the dumbest person in the world with a elementary knowledge of history will get thats pure BS) but they attempt to prove ancient Macedonians werent Greeks. Unfortunately for them, all historic sources, all archeological findings proved that ancient Macedonians were greeks so what could they do for that? To claim Modern Greeks arent descedants of Ancient Greeks. Thats why they fabricated in their historic books and are distributing to their schools that modern greeks are descendants of...Ethiopians, Persians, Egyptians (Opinions of skopjans vary in a wide range depending on the current brainwashing project), that’s why we witness in the net unfounded reports of paid “geneticists” from skopians That ended up to be the new anecdote of the scientific community (the scientific community is still laughing with the case of Arnaiz-Villena) and now paid journalists through articles that could make the village idiot look like genious, to propagate an “indentity” for these poor creatures. In the meanwhile, the country of FYROM remains one third-world country, with skopians from one side begging Greek government not to block their way in EU and from the other side licking the soles of the Greek businessmen shoes so that they open up a small business with some of their money in their third-world country and pull off these poor creatures even temporarily from their misery. Come on Greeks, give these people a break. Cant you see yourselves how desperate these people from Skopje are, to stop everyone from thinking of them as a complete Zero, a Nobody, and they have to pay each jumped-up idiot to invent for them an ‘indentity’??? It’s a matter of charity!!! My condolences dear skopians. @#$% you and bye!
Posted by seleukos_nicator on Fri, Jul 21, 2006 4:01 PM ET

How true!! :clapping:

[HellenicPride]

That was a great post straight to the point. Good find!

[Tsontos]

Well, i took it from that yahoo adventure crap, but it deserves anyone to read it.



How true!! :clapping:

nice, but needless to say when something tries to be summarzied into a paragraph over-simplification is inevitable. The Bulgarians have to share a fair portion of the blame as it was their regional policies in 19th century Macedonia which helped spark Macedonism. And it was communism which took it to astounding new levels. only since the skopjians themselves took over the reigns from Belgrade can we blame these people.

How these people can beleive they have a seperate lineage from the Bulgarians is beyond me.

[Ptolemy]

Another good post from a greek. :clapping:

Being a master of time travel I would presume then that Pasko Kuzman would be very well acquainted with the theory of causality proposed by the ancient Greek philosopher Aristotle. That is, "an effect will remain in existence only for so long as it is being "pushed" by a cause (just as, in dynamics, motion continues only while a force is being applied). Remove that, and the effect will vanish." In reference to time travel, arriving from the future which doesn't have a locally detectable cause, will self cancels its own origin. According to Nietzsche, causality and determinism is manifest when people accept that while no meaning has been designed in the universe, we each can provide a meaning for ourselves ie. learning to bear the burden of a meaningless universe, and justify one's own existence. By definition existentialism tends to view human beings as subjects in an indifferent, objective, often ambiguous, and "absurd" universe in which meaning is not provided by the natural order, but rather can be created, however provisionally and unstably, by human beings' actions and interpretations. Indeed some theorize that reverse causality could be defined as destiny, eg. "I found 5 dollars on the ground, because I will need it later" People who lack an origin in time and space have a need to create their own universe. Pasko's need to wear 3 watches to define his own existence at any one point proves not to the outward world his true origins nor define his physicality in the future. In layman's language, if he's not a chronic (excuse the pun) pot smoker then his abilities and beliefs of time travel lean towards severe psychosis of the schizophrenic order. I would suggest he take it easy on the grass or seek psychiatric care... History has many interpretations, but when a present day peoples all of a sudden 'choose' to link themselves to an ancient peoples whose language, culture, traditions are creatively, imaginatively connected; these leaps of logic not only defy the physics of time continuum, they are underlying signs of a psychological disorder. There's nothing wrong with soul searching, wanting to define ones identity is fundamental to human nature. However, If I were to open a map this moment close my eyes and point to a spot on it and suddenly decide I'm from the Gobi desert, I'd get a chuckle from friends and colleagues.. but if I were to obsessively believe this place to be embedded in my own identity I'd sooner be ridiculed and also fitted out with a tailor made stray jacket. To Greeks here, who find it insulting that another people can steal/cheat them of their proud history I sympathize. Try to understand that such actions and beliefs from that tiny part of the Balkans are cognitive - where origin, existence and destiny are deeply rooted in the ethereal and in their own minds rather than truth. In 1997 a group believed they were descendants of aliens, and that the hale bop comet was their ride to eternity. The mainstream media rightly found this insanely stupid. Today in 2006, Yahoo advertises a man as capable of time travel who has ancestry going back to the Hellenistic era and Megas Alexandros. If Yahoo keeps to this current trend of irresponsible fact finding and checking I predict it will no longer exist in 2026. Out of curiosity Mr. Bangs, I'm not wearing any watch, does that make my prediction less credible? I have a sun dial in my garden does that count? Heck I can say I'm a Mayan sun deity! Thing is though I don't need insane stunts to highlight extraordinary powers nor to define my own being and ancestry. Pasko if anything you proved not a connection to a rich history nor ability of time travel, but reflected a rare infliction known as reduplicative paramnesia. Perhaps it's incidence is higher there than anywhere else, in which case Richard Bangs would have a more plausible scoop to give to the world rather than revisionist history prescribed here at Yahoo! You proved that misrepresented historical views are to be treated with much caution and doubt. Moreover if people want to know real Macedonian history, heritage and culture - visit Greece. It is the most historically factual experience of Macedonia you will know in the real world, with or without a time piece. It begs the question, why would anyone visit Berlin to view the Eiffel tower when it is in Paris?? Logical yes? Logic (Oxford Dic.) - noun 1 reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity. ORIGIN from Greek logike tekhne 'art of reason'.


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