akritas
07-08-2008, 02:34 PM
….that Jewish holocaust has close similarities with the supposing “Macedonian” one? [1]:mad:
In this article and with my poor English I will try to give a response to the un-historical claims of the x-Economic Advisor of the FYROM Government and Israeli origin Mr Shmuel (Sam) Vaknin , that gave in an interview at the Slavmakedonci newspaper Nova Makedonija and has as subject the supposing ethnical cleansing of Slavmakedonci in Greek Macedonia.
You speak for “Macedonia”.
Do you know what is the meaning of Macedonia ?
Is the name of a region and state located on the Balkan Peninsula. It has been, and remains, a much disputed area. In Ancient Greek times, Macedonia’s King Philip (382 BCE–336 BCE) conquered several Greek city-states. Philip’s son, Alexander (356 BCE–323 BCE), was the founder of a mighty Greek empire that reached from Egypt, to Central Asia, to northern India Ever since then, Greeks—especially in the modern era—have appropriated the name as part of their national heritage.[2]
Shmuel (Sam) Vaknin you need more explaination as about the meaning of the Macedonia?
Shmuel Vaknin you speak for international laws, affairs etc and for a “Macedonian” State.As is known in the international affairs, every state is free to choose the name it wishes. The exercise of the state's right to choose its name, as with any right in general, must not, however, impede the rights of other states or be accomplished for a purpose other than that for which the right was established for and be to the detriment of another state. [3] The prohibition of the abusive exercise of a right is a general principle of justice, which is repeatedly reiterated in international jurisdiction practice and is superior among the rules which govern the exercise of rights of those subject to international justice.[4]
Am I right Mr Shmuel (Sam) Vaknin or the professor of International Law A. Kiss is wrong? It is known that the threat against peace is not necessarily linked to the use of violence, but can even be manifested with acts which in the first place clash with international law. FYROM use the Macedonia name as expanded vehicle against Greek Macedonia soil and Macedonia heritage.
Why you avoid to tell this truth Shmuel Vaknin ?
Why then you speak for Macedonian holocaust and you deny my self-determination as Macedonian with ethnotical sense?
Who gives the right to tread down this part of Greek nationality and heritage ?
I am Macedonian Shmuel Vaknin as you are Jew or Israeli in case that you forget the meaning of the ethnicity and the right of the self-determination.
Shmuel Vaknin you dare to compare Jewish holocaust with a fancy holocaust, this as the imagine in theirs minds the Slavmakedonci leadership and diaspora propagandists like maknews staff.
Your narrative claims without exception hype the view that the Slavmakedonci were persecuted by the Greek authorities according to a prearranged plan, the goal being to cleanse Western Macedonia of non-Greek populations.
No mention from you Shmuel Vaknin is made anywhere of the prearranged plan to remove children beyond the Greek borders, the Greek state’s recourse to the United Nations for the return of the children to Greece, or the concentration of these children in ‘child towns’; as if none of this had ever happened. Here the historical past does not exist; and the truth is a product only of the FYROM recollections and the tales t, a substitute for historical reality.
And you forget the first of all as about this issue?
The Greek Civil War.
A civil war and the great battles between the Greek Democratic Army and the Greek National Army for you (and FYROM) are meaningless.
On May 27, 1947, the Commission of Investigation Concerning Greek Frontier Incidents [5] submitted its report to the Security Council and pointed out that
some 20,000 Greek citizens had fled to Yugoslavia and some 5,000 to Bulgaria — most of them Slavs — and that the treatment of this group by Greek officials had "provided fertile breeding ground for separatist movements.
Macedonian separatism was the special goal of an organization called the NOF (National Labor Front) which had its headquarters in Skoplje and Monastir.Shmuel Vaknin did you know that report?
It speaks that Slavmakedonci tried to separate MACEDONIA from Greece and not the reverse. Were UN Resolutions and Committees wrong?
One more question Shmuel Vaknin.Where is your Slavmakedonci complaints in the supposing FYROM Holocaust in the period 1913-1941?
Do you have any complaint letter from any Slavmakedoncithat has as subject this fancy issue BEFORE 1941?
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[1] - maknews.com/forum/general-discussions/macedonians-from-greece-can-paralyze-greece-t10149.html
[2] – Dictionary of Genocide, page 265
[3] – A. Kiss, Encyclopaedia of Public International Law, Volume I, 1992, page 4
[4] – A. Kiss, Encyclopaedia of Public International Law, Volume I, 1992, page 7-8
[5] - International Organization, Vol. 1, No. 3, (Sep., 1947), pp. 494-508
In this article and with my poor English I will try to give a response to the un-historical claims of the x-Economic Advisor of the FYROM Government and Israeli origin Mr Shmuel (Sam) Vaknin , that gave in an interview at the Slavmakedonci newspaper Nova Makedonija and has as subject the supposing ethnical cleansing of Slavmakedonci in Greek Macedonia.
You speak for “Macedonia”.
Do you know what is the meaning of Macedonia ?
Is the name of a region and state located on the Balkan Peninsula. It has been, and remains, a much disputed area. In Ancient Greek times, Macedonia’s King Philip (382 BCE–336 BCE) conquered several Greek city-states. Philip’s son, Alexander (356 BCE–323 BCE), was the founder of a mighty Greek empire that reached from Egypt, to Central Asia, to northern India Ever since then, Greeks—especially in the modern era—have appropriated the name as part of their national heritage.[2]
Shmuel (Sam) Vaknin you need more explaination as about the meaning of the Macedonia?
Shmuel Vaknin you speak for international laws, affairs etc and for a “Macedonian” State.As is known in the international affairs, every state is free to choose the name it wishes. The exercise of the state's right to choose its name, as with any right in general, must not, however, impede the rights of other states or be accomplished for a purpose other than that for which the right was established for and be to the detriment of another state. [3] The prohibition of the abusive exercise of a right is a general principle of justice, which is repeatedly reiterated in international jurisdiction practice and is superior among the rules which govern the exercise of rights of those subject to international justice.[4]
Am I right Mr Shmuel (Sam) Vaknin or the professor of International Law A. Kiss is wrong? It is known that the threat against peace is not necessarily linked to the use of violence, but can even be manifested with acts which in the first place clash with international law. FYROM use the Macedonia name as expanded vehicle against Greek Macedonia soil and Macedonia heritage.
Why you avoid to tell this truth Shmuel Vaknin ?
Why then you speak for Macedonian holocaust and you deny my self-determination as Macedonian with ethnotical sense?
Who gives the right to tread down this part of Greek nationality and heritage ?
I am Macedonian Shmuel Vaknin as you are Jew or Israeli in case that you forget the meaning of the ethnicity and the right of the self-determination.
Shmuel Vaknin you dare to compare Jewish holocaust with a fancy holocaust, this as the imagine in theirs minds the Slavmakedonci leadership and diaspora propagandists like maknews staff.
Your narrative claims without exception hype the view that the Slavmakedonci were persecuted by the Greek authorities according to a prearranged plan, the goal being to cleanse Western Macedonia of non-Greek populations.
No mention from you Shmuel Vaknin is made anywhere of the prearranged plan to remove children beyond the Greek borders, the Greek state’s recourse to the United Nations for the return of the children to Greece, or the concentration of these children in ‘child towns’; as if none of this had ever happened. Here the historical past does not exist; and the truth is a product only of the FYROM recollections and the tales t, a substitute for historical reality.
And you forget the first of all as about this issue?
The Greek Civil War.
A civil war and the great battles between the Greek Democratic Army and the Greek National Army for you (and FYROM) are meaningless.
On May 27, 1947, the Commission of Investigation Concerning Greek Frontier Incidents [5] submitted its report to the Security Council and pointed out that
some 20,000 Greek citizens had fled to Yugoslavia and some 5,000 to Bulgaria — most of them Slavs — and that the treatment of this group by Greek officials had "provided fertile breeding ground for separatist movements.
Macedonian separatism was the special goal of an organization called the NOF (National Labor Front) which had its headquarters in Skoplje and Monastir.Shmuel Vaknin did you know that report?
It speaks that Slavmakedonci tried to separate MACEDONIA from Greece and not the reverse. Were UN Resolutions and Committees wrong?
One more question Shmuel Vaknin.Where is your Slavmakedonci complaints in the supposing FYROM Holocaust in the period 1913-1941?
Do you have any complaint letter from any Slavmakedoncithat has as subject this fancy issue BEFORE 1941?
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[1] - maknews.com/forum/general-discussions/macedonians-from-greece-can-paralyze-greece-t10149.html
[2] – Dictionary of Genocide, page 265
[3] – A. Kiss, Encyclopaedia of Public International Law, Volume I, 1992, page 4
[4] – A. Kiss, Encyclopaedia of Public International Law, Volume I, 1992, page 7-8
[5] - International Organization, Vol. 1, No. 3, (Sep., 1947), pp. 494-508