Risto Stefov on The Byzantine Empire...

[TALOS]

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Western and Greek authors have done more to discredit the Macedonian contribution for this period (313 to 527 AD) than they have done to support it. Many authors agree that the Byzantine Empire was a re-emergence and continuation of Alexander the Great's old empire but at the same time they hardly hesitate to call it Roman.

What was Roman about it?

The Emperors were not Roman, the language was not Latin, the culture was not Italian and even the style of Christianity practiced was far from western.

So, what was Roman about it?

Let's look at it from another perspective. The Byzantine Empire, known to the Macedonians as the Pravoslaven Empire (Pravoslavna Imberia) had more Macedonian emperors than Roman, spoke the Koine language not Latin and smack in the middle of it was Macedonia not Italy.

Solun, not Rome, was the Byzantine Empire's second capital and cultural center. Macedonia, not Italy, was the center, heart and soul of the Byzantine Empire.

Unlike Rome which fell to the barbarians, Solun was never defeated or sacked by anyone and remained a Macedonian city in character and culture from the time it was founded by king Cassander, to well into the second millennium AD. Solun was a Macedonian city with its culture and tradition well intact and preserved. That is precisely why a Macedonian and not a Roman civilization re-emerged from Solun, flourished and reached its zenith around the 8th, 9th and 10th centuries AD.

Solun was the cradle of Macedonianism. This is where the revival of the Macedonian language and culture began and spread throughout eastern Europe. That is precisely why more than six hundred million people today speak the Slavic language, not Greek or Latin. Outside of the Roman and Greek propagandists, no one believes that the Byzantine Empire was anything but Macedonian, a continuation of Alexander the Greats' old Empire.

By AxRisto Stefov
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from his Academy awarded :p :heh: publication on "History of the Macedonian People from Ancient Times to the Present - Constantine I and the Triumph of Christianity"



i mean this stuff is not funny anymore. there is really something wrong either with the water they drink or their low self esteem has fatally messed up their brains http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/images/smilies/icon_smile_screwy.gif

[Vasot]

Aυτο θα πει πληρη ισοπεδωση της Ιστοριας και το χειροτερο ειναι οταν αυτες τις μαλ*κιες θα θελησουν να τις προωθησουν και στην διεθνη κοινοτητα

Ι REALLY LOVE SKOPJE PROPAGANDA AND THEIR TWISTS OF HISTORY.
Come on these guys from Fyrom really make me laugh :cheers:

[Xiotis]

i saw this on crapnews




i mean this stuff is not funny anymore. there is really something wrong either with the water they drink or their low self esteem has fatally messed up their brains :huh:


These people are truly nuts. The problem is that kooks like stefov publish books and sell them to their unknowing youth in the diaspora.

Can Stefov supply us with a list of historians that describe Thessaloniki as an "ethnic Macedonian" city during any period? Of course not. Can Stefov explain why none of the vast accounts produced by individuals who passed through Thessaloniki, or lived in Thessaloniki, during the 16th, 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries mention any "ethnic Macedonian" population. Of course not. All Stefov can do is construct elaborate and unsubstantiated fictions that the dough heads eat up.

[Nick]

I can't believe how blatant the lies that come out of their mouths. How is it that these guy's think their version of history supersedes common known fact/history? The only thing i have realised since dealing with our northern neighbours, is how much they actually want/do believe what is being force fed to them. The mind boggles as to how narrow minded they want to be. I suppose that's what you get when you want to believe something so much.

[Victor]

These people are truly nuts. The problem is that kooks like stefov publish books and sell them to their unknowing youth in the diaspora.
THats one side of the coin,creating fanatics among the diaspora(and some local fyromanians as well),but it also hurts there cause of wanting to get into NATO and the EU.GReece can keep pointing to the fyromanian view of history and say "look at them,we cant let extreme fanatics to join us".

All STefov and his gang of kooks will accomplish will be to keep fyrom isolated and on the outside looking in.

[Tsontos]

One of the worst aspects of FYROM historiography has to be how they claim Tsar Samuil and the Macedonian dynasty at the same time.

[Andrew]

i mean this stuff is not funny anymore. there is really something wrong either with the water they drink or their low self esteem has fatally messed up their brains

It must be the water TALOS ...after all that Uranium-enhanced bombing in Kosovo ..all that Uranium finished in Vardar river and FYROM.

I'll start a scientific research on "Chronic Radiation effects on brain disfunction"

Others become HULK from radiation , others become X-men , others become FYRO-Men !!!

[kzk842]

They are ready to create a whole new history without not even one small fact, just for not loosing their people solidarity.What i mean?
If they say one lie (that they are "Macedonians") they have to create more and more lies just to put base to the previous lies.
Without those lies (that can live only for a few months) they keep themselfs together,otherwise all of them will have to face the truth,that they are Bylgarians.
They believe for example that there was a ancient "Macedonian" language different from the Greek dialect that a guy write it down and they based on that keep on believe that they are "Macedonians",but when you ask them to prove it they just change the subject of conversation.
Η λύση είναι μια:
Ζητάτε τους αποδείξεις απο αποδεκτές πηγές και το σίγουρο είναι ένα,οτι θα γράψουν και άλλες μ......ες γιατί αυτοί που δημιουργούν αυτές τις παπαριές ξέρουν οτι η ιστορία δεν τους δίνει ούτε ενα πάτημα...

[edessa]

One of the worst aspects of FYROM historiography has to be how they claim Tsar Samuil and the Macedonian dynasty at the same time.

Badly, that's an even bigger contradiction than claiming the ancient macedonians and having nothing to do with them :clap2:

[kostas68]

One of the worst aspects of FYROM historiography has to be how they claim Tsar Samuil and the Macedonian dynasty at the same time.
The most ridicoulous of the arguments that Stefov uses to support the <Macedonistic> features of the Byzantine empire is when he says that the official language was the koine Greek,which he considers as ...protoslavic!!!:headbonk: and also his claim that Thessaloniki unlike Rome was never conquered by <barbarian tribes>,but he forgets to mention that those <barbarian tribes> were actually his Slav ancestors!!!:frusty:
And the term...<Pravoslaven empire> off course!!!I think Stevof must suggest to the international academic community that this term has to be adopted by historiography instead <Byzantine empire>.So,we can talk about the...Pravoslavic iconography,culture and the last Pravoslavic emperor Konstantin Paleologovski.:killme:

[Andrew]

The most ridicoulous of the arguments that Stefov uses to support the <Macedonistic> features of the Byzantine empire is when he says that the official language was the koine Greek,which he considers as ...protoslavic!!!:headbonk: and also his claim that Thessaloniki unlike Rome was never conquered by <barbarian tribes>,but he forgets to mention that those <barbarian tribes> were actually his Slav ancestors!!!:frusty:
And the term...<Pravoslaven empire> off course!!!I think Stevof must suggest to the international academic community that this term has to be adopted by historiography instead <Byzantine empire>.So,we can talk about the...Pravoslavic iconography,culture and the last Pravoslavic emperor Konstantin Paleologovski.:killme:

And you know why Pravoslaven eee Kosta ....where Konstantinopolis was before there was the city "Pravoslavia" (Byzantium) , a colony of the Dorics of Megara ...and you know from where the Dorics come from ...eee ...don't deny it .... xaxaxaxaxa :clap2::clapping::clap2: :headbonk::headbonk::headbonk:

...akoy ekei "Pravoslaven Empire" ..xaxaxaxaxa ...That's the quote of the year guys !!! I vote it Best Skop Gem for the year 2008.

[kostas68]

a colony of the Dorics of Megara ...and you know from where the Dorics come from ...eee ...don't deny it .... xaxaxaxaxa :clap2::clapping::clap2: :headbonk::headbonk::headbonk:

Whatch out Andrea what you are posting!You'll provoke a Albano-Scopian dispute about the origin of the Dorians:

Since old times we have a testimony that Doric-Heraclides is from Illyrian stock:

M'alla logia,dyo gaidaroi malonane se xeno achyrona!

[Andrew]

M'alla logia,dyo gaidaroi malonane se xeno achyrona!



:clap2::clapping::clap2:

[kostas68]

:clap2::clapping::clap2:
Pou na mas katalavoun oi dytikoevropaioi ti travame,m'aytous tous geitones pou echoume?Aytoi kala synorevoun me kati Velgous,Ollandous,Louxemvourgious,Elvetous kai loipous tetoius xenerotous.As eihan ki autoi tous idious geitones me mas,tha tous elega ego!Edo einai valkania,den einai paixe gelase pou leei kai to gnosto asma...

[Andrew]

Pou na mas katalavoun oi dytikoevropaioi ti travame,m'aytous tous geitones pou echoume?Aytoi kala synorevoun me kati Velgous,Ollandous,Louxemvourgious,Elvetous kai loipous tetoius xenerotous.As eihan ki autoi tous idious geitones me mas,tha tous elega ego!Edo einai valkania,den einai paixe gelase pou leei kai to gnosto asma...

Ayto lew stoys Italoys xronia twra re Kwsta ...toys lew "eseis synoreyete me Galoys , Elvetoys , Austriakoys kai Slovenous poy apo toys Yugoslavous einai oi pio politismenoi .....gia elate stin Ellada poy synoreyei me Alvanoys , Bulgaroys (West & East) kai Turkous !!!".

Apo to Milano me 1 wra treno eisai sti Galia/elvetia ...kai se 3 wres eisai Parisi/Genevi
Apo ti Venetia me 2 wres treno eisai Elvetia /Austria ...kai se 3 wres Vieni

Sta boreia Synora tis Italias oi Italoi einai diglossoi ..milane pio poly Germanika para Italika ....stin Elvetia ka ioi treis glwsses einai episimes ITA , FRE , GER.

Kanenas omws de vgainei na pei egw thelw toys rwmaioys ...toys celtes i toys Germanoys ...Ta ligouria panw kai anatolika apo mas omws ..oloi theloyn "pswmi" ap'tin Ellada ..Ai sto diaolo !!!

[YaunaTakabara]

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Western and Greek authors have done more to discredit the Macedonian contribution for this period (313 to 527 AD) than they have done to support it. Many authors agree that the Byzantine Empire was a re-emergence and continuation of Alexander the Great's old empire but at the same time they hardly hesitate to call it Roman.

Ιστορίες για αγρίους από μάπα συγγραφέα...
:rolleyes:

[YaunaTakabara]

Ayto lew stoys Italoys xronia twra re Kwsta ...toys lew "eseis synoreyete me Galoys , Elvetoys , Austriakoys kai Slovenous poy apo toys Yugoslavous einai oi pio politismenoi .....gia elate stin Ellada poy synoreyei me Alvanoys , Bulgaroys (West & East) kai Turkous !!!".

Apo to Milano me 1 wra treno eisai sti Galia/elvetia ...kai se 3 wres eisai Parisi/Genevi
Apo ti Venetia me 2 wres treno eisai Elvetia /Austria ...kai se 3 wres Vieni

Sta boreia Synora tis Italias oi Italoi einai diglossoi ..milane pio poly Germanika para Italika ....stin Elvetia ka ioi treis glwsses einai episimes ITA , FRE , GER.

Kanenas omws de vgainei na pei egw thelw toys rwmaioys ...toys celtes i toys Germanoys ...Ta ligouria panw kai anatolika apo mas omws ..oloi theloyn "pswmi" ap'tin Ellada ..Ai sto diaolo !!!

ΛΟΛ! Ωραίο σου το κρεσέντο στο τέλος! Παρά λίγο να πνιγώ όταν το διάβασα! :p Μακάρι να άρχιζαν κάτι Γερμανο-Τυρολέζοι να ισχυρίζονται ότι κι αυτοί είναι οι απόγονοι των αρχαίων Ετρούσκων για να καταλάβουν οι Ιταλοί με τί γνοφώδη μυαλά αναγκαζόμαστε να ασχολιόμαστε. Και πρέπει να λεχθεί επίσης ότι στους ίδιους τους Ιταλούς αρέσει το να αναδεύουν ενίοτε το καζάνι με έναν τρόπο που μόνο ενθαρρύνει αστέρια σαν τον εν λόγω <<ιστορικό>> μας. Σαν να διάβασα ότι προ καιρού είχαν καλέσει κάποια αρχαιολογική εταιρεία από πρώην Γιουγκοσλαβία και όχι εξ Ελλάδος να βοηθήσει με τις ανασκαφές του Περσέα που γίνονταν στην Ιταλία. Σκέτη πατάτα...

[gmellos]

the funny and ultimately sad thing is NO ONE in the Academic Historical community takes what he says seriously!

His claims that Italian, German, British, and French historians of the past where inaccurate and those need to be looked again fall on deaf ears!

[Victor]

WE should all pray he NEVER realizes what a total clown he really is.THat type of entertainment is priceless!

[Bardas]

It must be the water TALOS ...after all that Uranium-enhanced bombing in Kosovo ..all that Uranium finished in Vardar river and FYROM.

I'll start a scientific research on "Chronic Radiation effects on brain disfunction"

Others become HULK from radiation , others become X-men , others become FYRO-Men !!!

:clapping::clapping::clapping: This was quite funny

The Hulk
http://www.freewebs.com/hulk-script/thehulk-hulk-choppers.jpg

X-men
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2004/10/29/icon_xmen_oct30,0.jpg

FYRO-Men
http://www.lerin.ca/gallery/2003/lerinsko_picnic/017.jpg

[Andrew]

:clapping::clapping::clapping: This was quite funny

The Hulk
http://www.freewebs.com/hulk-script/thehulk-hulk-choppers.jpg

X-men
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2004/10/29/icon_xmen_oct30,0.jpg

FYRO-Men
http://www.lerin.ca/gallery/2003/lerinsko_picnic/017.jpg

xaxaxax :clap2::clapping::clap2: Wraios !!!!

[stelio_]

thanx

[zefs]

I hate this fucking man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[digenis]

Well ..it looks more and more futile replying such crap...

They are distorting fact to fact,century to century..
If approving that there was a separate Macedonian nation in the Antiquity is a really tough job...proving that it was there in Medieval times is impossible-

Moreover ,more impossible is to connect it with these ex-Bulgarians.

Hristo StefOV is a funny clown -there is no doubt abt it-The sad in this story is that he influences the youth of Fyromians (esp in Diaspora) ..and the hate towards Greece together with the Distorted Reality becomes greater day to day.
And its sad primarily for our young neighbors.