Alexander the Great, One of the first Bilingual Kings!

[TheMacedonian]

Alexander the Great (In Macedonian: Aleksandar Golemiot) was one of the first bilingual kings! He spoke not only his native Macedonian, but Greek as well! :clap2:

[MAKEDONELLHNAS]

Alexander the Great (In Macedonian: Aleksandar Golemiot) was one of the first bilingual kings! He spoke not only his native Macedonian, but Greek as well! :clap2:

Did he speak bulgarian like you aswell?

[TheMacedonian]

Bulgaria didnt exist then, Macedonia did, the land of my people :D

[MAKEDONELLHNAS]

Bulgaria didnt exist then, Macedonia did, the land of my people :D

So you are dardanian or paionian? oh wait your people were in asia than nevermind, dude you make no sense. Are you Greek?

[TheMacedonian]

^Are you ethiopian?

[Victor]

^Are you ethiopian?Racist!:angry:

[MAKEDONELLHNAS]

^Are you ethiopian?

Ethiopian? Obviously you dont know anything about geography do you? Wrong continent kid, maybe thats why you think you are Macedonian?Macedonia is located in Greece, eastern Europe not asia, maybe this will help

[TheMacedonian]

^Check your DNA, you will see your closeness with ethiopians :D

Macedonia is Macedonia, the land of the ethnic Macedonians

!

[akritas]

^Check your DNA, you will see your closeness with ethiopians :D

Macedonia is Macedonia, the land of the ethnic Macedonians

!
Banning for insults and racism dear Slavmacedonian from FYROM.:angry:

[Alita]

Ethiopians eh? That's fine by me. How many Skopians have won Olympic marathons? :) :p

[rtgs]

Did he speak bulgarian like you aswell?

If you call this language which bulgarians of today speak, then he was speaking "bulgarian", too. Not Bulgarian of the Bulgarians of his time or latter, until we Macedonians gave them our language.

[rtgs]

So you are dardanian or paionian? oh wait your people were in asia than nevermind, dude you make no sense. Are you Greek?

yes, we are dardanian, and paionian included - thus macedonian. and all other that has lived here, and there were many - from asiatic races - turks, bulgars, albanians, to western european - germans, english, vikings....

ALL THAT LIVED HERE. Dardanians and Paionians included


That's why we are so rich in genetics, and most of you are retarded from inbreading.

[rtgs]

Ethiopian? Obviously you dont know anything about geography do you? Wrong continent kid, maybe thats why you think you are Macedonian?Macedonia is located in Greece, eastern Europe not asia, maybe this will help

How much you are lost in geography, not to mention in history.


If you open simple Google Earth you will see that the center of Europe is in Belarus, thus Macedonia is SOUTH EUROPE, or if you inist a little WEST of the center south, not south east. South east Europe is Georgia, Armenia, Russia (Ossetia, Dagestan, Chechniya), Kazakstan.....


If you look culturuly, Europa is town IN MACEDONIA, then we are CENTER of Europe.....

[Andrew]

Alexander the Great (In Macedonian: Aleksandar Golemiot) was one of the first bilingual kings! He spoke not only his native Macedonian, but Greek as well! :clap2:

and then you woke up e kiddo ???

who knows maybe he also spoke portugeze ...after having holidays in Brazil.

But wait a minute ...at his time the Portugeze haven't arrived in Brazil !! And since we mentioned it ...not even your Slav ancestors were at the Balkans to speak your West Bulgarian dialect ....So what languge did those macedonians speek ?? Nicholas Goeffrey Lempriere Hammond answeres it pretty well :

"What language did these 'Macedones' speak? The name itself is Greek in root and in ethnic termination. It probably means 'highlanders,' and it is comparable to Greek tribal names such as 'Orestai' and 'Oreitai,' meaning 'mountain-men.' A reputedly earlier variant, 'Maketai,' has the same root, which means 'high,' as in the Greek adjective 'makednos' or the noun 'mekos.' The genealogy of eponymous ancestors which Hesiod recorded (p. 3 above) has a bearing on the question of Greek speech. First, Hesiod made Macedon a brother of Magnes; as we know from inscriptions that the Magnetes spoke the Aeolic dialect of the Greek language, we have a predisposition to suppose that the Macedones spoke the Aeolic dialect. Secondly, Hesiod made Macedon and Magnes first cousins of Hellen's three sons - Dorus, Xouthus, and Aeolus - who were the founders of three dialects of Greek speech, namely Doric, Ionic, and Aeolic. Hesiod would not have recored thisrelationship, unless he had believed, probably in the seventh century, that the Macedones were a Greek-speaking people. The next evidence comes from Persia. At the turn of the sixth century the Persians described the tribute-paying peoples of their province in Europe, and one of them was the 'yauna takabara,' which meant the 'Greeks wearing the hat.' There were Greeks in Greek city-states here and there in the province, but they were of various origins and not distinguished by a common hat, the 'kausia.' We conclude that the Persians believed the Macedonians to be speakers of Greek. Finally, in the latter part of the fifth century a Greek historian, Hellanicus, visited Macedonia and modified Hesiod's genealogy by bringing Macedon and his descendants firmly into the Aeolic branch of the Greek-speaking family.

Hesiod, Persia, Hellanicus had no motive for making a false statement about the language of the Macedonians, who were then an obscure and not a powerful people. Their independent testimonies should be accepted as conclusive. That, however, is not the opinion of most scholars. They disregard or fail to assess the evidence which I have cited, and they turn instead to 'Macedonian' words and names, or/and to literary references. Philologists have studied words which have been cited as Macedonian' in ancient lexica and glossaries, and they have come to no certain conclusion; for some of the words are clearly Greek, and some are clearly not Greek. That is not surprising; for as the territory of the Macedonians expanded, they overlaid and lived with peoples who spoke Illyrian, Paeonian, Thracian and Phrygian, and they certainly borrowed words from them which excited the authors of lexica and glossaries. The philological studies result in a verdict, in my opinion, of 'non liquet.'

The toponyms of the Macedonian homeland are the most significant. Nearly all of them are Greek: Pieria, Lebaea, Heracleum, Dium, Petra, Leibethra, Aegae, Aegydium, Acesae, Acesamenae; the rivers Helicon, Aeson, Leucus, Baphyras, Sardon, Elpe'u's, Mitys; lake Ascuris and the region Lapathus. The mountain names Olympus and Titarium may be pre-Greek; Edessa, the earlier name for the place where Aegae was founded, and its river Ascordus were Phrygian.

The deities worshipped by the Macedones and the names which they gave to the months were predominantly Greek, and there is no doubt that these were not borrowings. To Greek literary writers before the Hellenistic period the Macedonians were 'barbarians.' The term referred to their way of life and their institutions, which were those of the 'ethne' and not of the city-state, and it did not refer to their speech. We can see this in the case of Epirus. There Thucydides called the tribes 'barbarians.' But inscriptions found in Epirus have shown conclusively that the Epirote tribes in Thucydides' lifetime were speaking Greek and used names which were Greek.

In the following century 'barbarian' was only one of the abusive terms applied by Demosthenes to Philip of Macedon and his people. In passages which refer to the Macedonian soldiers of Alexander the Great and the early successors there are mentions of a Macedonian dialect, such as was likely to have been spoken in the original Macedonian homeland. On one occassion Alexander 'called out to his guardsmen in Macedonian ('Makedonisti'), as this [viz. the use of 'Macedonian'] was a signal ('symbolon') that there was a serious riot.' Normally Alexander and his soldiers spoke standard Greek, the 'koine,' and that was what the Persians who were to fight alongside the Macedonians were taught. So the order 'in Macedonian' was unique, in that all other orders were in the 'koine.' It is satisfactorily explained as an order in broad dialect, just as in the Highland Regiment a special order for a particular purpose could be given in broad Scots by a Scottish officer who usually spoke the King's English.

The use of this dialect among themselves was a characteristic of the Macedonian soldiers (rather that the officers) of the King's Army. This point is made clear in the report - not in itself dependable - of the trial of a Macedonian officer before an Assembly of Macedonians, in which the officer (Philotas) was mocked for not speaking in dialect. In 321 when a non-Macedonian general, Eumenes, wanted to make contact with a hostile group of Macedonian infantrymen, he sent a Macedonian to speak to them in the Macedonian dialect, in order to win their confidence. Subsequently, when they and the other Macdonian soldiers were serving with Eumenes, they expresed their affection for him by hailing him in the Macedonian dialect ('Makedonisti'). He was to be one of themselves. As Curtius observed, 'not a man among the Macedonians could bear to part with a jot of his ancestral customs.' The use of this dialect was one way in which the Macedonians expressed their apartness from the world of the Greek city-states.

Nicholas G. L. Hammond, "The Macedonian State: The Origins, Institutions and History", Oxford University Press, Reprint Edition, July 1997; 4. The Language of the Macedonians, pgs 413, pgs12-14

[PhiliptheUniterchaeronea]

yes, we are dardanian, and paionian included - thus macedonian. and all other that has lived here, and there were many - from asiatic races - turks, bulgars, albanians, to western european - germans, english, vikings....

ALL THAT LIVED HERE. Dardanians and Paionians included


That's why we are so rich in genetics, and most of you are retarded from inbreading.

Pardon me, did you just say most of us are retarded from inbreeding? Once again showing your class are you rtgs? You are a troubled soul. Banning you would rob the world of witnessing a leading candidate in the Darwin Awards. Take care mate. Have a wonderful life of hate mongering and spreading fear to the masses.

[PhiliptheUniterchaeronea]

How much you are lost in geography, not to mention in history.


If you open simple Google Earth you will see that the center of Europe is in Belarus, thus Macedonia is SOUTH EUROPE, or if you inist a little WEST of the center south, not south east. South east Europe is Georgia, Armenia, Russia (Ossetia, Dagestan, Chechniya), Kazakstan.....


If you look culturuly, Europa is town IN MACEDONIA, then we are CENTER of Europe.....

They still won't let you go to the Hitler Youth rallies will they little man. Are you ok? What the hell are you harping on now? Did you actually say your country (once again in true goosestepping fashion making an attempt to blitzkreig culture and identity by using the name Macedonia) is the centre of culture in Europe? Brrrrrrrffffffffff!!!!!

[MAKEDONELLHNAS]

If you call this language which bulgarians of today speak, then he was speaking "bulgarian", too. Not Bulgarian of the Bulgarians of his time or latter, until we Macedonians gave them our language.

Why dont stop talking out your a$s for once and prove something instead of claiming all this insanity? You never EVER backed anything you ever claimed in here. Your language has absolutely nothing to do with Macedonian, nothing only in your dreams.

yes, we are dardanian, and paionian included - thus macedonian. and all other that has lived here, and there were many - from asiatic races - turks, bulgars, albanians, to western european - germans, english, vikings....

ALL THAT LIVED HERE. Dardanians and Paionians included


That's why we are so rich in genetics, and most of you are retarded from inbreading.


So you got our genes in you, including Dardanian, Paionian western european and asiatic once since you came from asia, you have "rich genetics" and we are retarded from inbreading" :dry: Are you sure your mom is not your aunt also? :rolleyes:




How much you are lost in geography, not to mention in history.


If you open simple Google Earth you will see that the center of Europe is in Belarus, thus Macedonia is SOUTH EUROPE, or if you inist a little WEST of the center south, not south east. South east Europe is Georgia, Armenia, Russia (Ossetia, Dagestan, Chechniya), Kazakstan.....


If you look culturuly, Europa is town IN MACEDONIA, then we are CENTER of Europe.....


Greece is southeastern Europe which includes Macedonia since its in Greece.

[PhiliptheUniterchaeronea]

rtgs is pure entertainment. Keep talking little goosestepper. Expose yourself to the world. Tell us about Macedonia.

[Spartan]

OK rtgs lets see what you know.

Can you tell us an ancient source that specifically states that the Ancient Macedonians spoke a separate language from all other Greeks? If you can will you please provide us with the original text in Greek mentioning such a thing? Then finally if you can provide the original text in Greek, can you give us the specific word used to refer to the 'Macedonian language'?

If you can do that we will be more than happy to debate you and even if you cannot we will be more than happy to educate you on assumptions made by certain compatriots of yours on Maknews and elsewhere.

[PhiliptheUniterchaeronea]

If you call this language which bulgarians of today speak, then he was speaking "bulgarian", too. Not Bulgarian of the Bulgarians of his time or latter, until we Macedonians gave them our language.

Dude, are you serious?

[pankration]

Dude, are you serious?

:jump:I want to congratulate rtgs! I've watched my good friend Philip for years try to articulate our position in an intelligent, polite manner for all to see on this forum, including the idiots, racists and morons who use our space to disseminate misinformation. And you're the first to get a rise out of him and I'm enjoying it. I didn't realize how funny and creative Philip could be and all he needed was a little prodding by a little mind. So I raise my glass to you rtgs, you are definitely one of the leading candidates for....:frusty:

[MYGDON]

Do you really know (from the Greek - Hellenic word "ΝΟΩ" that meas I know, I understand) where and when the word Europe first was written ? In what language ? Who was Europe ? Certainly NOT.
According to Mythology (another Hellenic word, from the thousands all the people use every day), Europe was the daughter of Agenor and Telefassa, boths Greeks, Homer (the Great Greek poet) in Iliad (Ξ 310-320) mensions Jeus and Europe, thousands of years before the Slavs come in the Greek (Balkan) peninsula. Europe is a Greek, Helelnic, word too!

Yes "KIMONO" has a Greek origin too! KIMONO is a cloth that the people in Japan wear in the winter. Winter in Greek is "CHIMON". Even the Japan word "HARAKIRI", has a Greek origin ! "HARAΤΤΟ" in ancient Greek means crave, and "KEIRO" means cut !

The fact that you DO NOT KNOW history (the Hellenic History) and the Hellenic - Greek language, gives you the disadvantage to understand the roots of civilization!

You wonder about karate, too! Of course you do not know Pancratium (pagration), the old martial art. Pan+cratos means the whole strength ! It is a very - very old Greek way of fight. Much older than any other Asian martial art! The Asian's master of the martial arts can confirm that the origin of the karate, Kung-fu, and other, comes from the first Greeks that went in Asia about 3000 years B.C.! (There are ancient written documents for this).

See some ancient scenes for pagration and get more educated (Try Google)


Probably your grand father and grand mother (or maybe your parents), left Greece (Hellas) after the Greek civil war (1946-1949) as refuges. They still carry the hate of that civil war and they never told you the real thing. They probably were not educated people (about history and the Greek language), and so you are.

Just try and you will find the TRUTH! The truth that Macedonias, Thracians, Thessalians, Cypriots, Peloponesians, Athenias, and tenths other races, were and are Greeks.

Try this site
northmacedonians.blogspot.com
to know how many Greeks (macedonias) are asking for human rights in Vardarsca (Skopia) today.

AND THE BEST AT THE END!
DO YOU KNOW WHAT KIRO GLIGOROV STATED IN 1992-3 ?????
SEE AND LISTEN!
YouTube - Gligorov: "We are Slavs"

MYGDON (Mygdons, another Greek race, that lived in central Macedonia).
I am Greek, because I am Macedonian!

Good luck

[kostas68]

If you call this language which bulgarians of today speak, then he was speaking "bulgarian", too.
So we can consider Alexander as an ancient...Grkoman king?:p
Not Bulgarian of the Bulgarians of his time or latter, until we Macedonians gave them our language.
Actually it was vice versa:You (pseudomacedonians) took your language by the Bulgarians.

[goldblood]

the pseudo macedonians are a real piece of work they make me laugh on a daily basis .. .its so easy to throw them for a loop and get them saying "ughh.. uggh .. well ugghh.. your just stupid greeks i know im macedonian cause im macedonian"
whoeve wants to play a joke on these clowns print out a page from a bulgarian newspaper and say its "makedonski" and you need it to be translated and when they do reveal its bulgarian and watch them wonder... just sit and watch its fun

[PhiliptheUniterchaeronea]

Welcome back Goldblood. Great to see you back old boy.