What language are these words?

[Makedonia22]

What language are these words, Albanian, Vlach, Greek, Slavic, Turkish....?

Word in English - Word in unknown language:

fork - vila

spoon - xliari

knife - gogou & sougia

plate - tsini

[vlakas]

sougias can be used in greek to i think ive heard xliari to but dont know if its spoon

[Christov]

What language are these words, Albanian, Vlach, Greek, Slavic, Turkish....?

Word in English - Word in unknown language:

fork - vila

spoon - xliari

knife - gogou & sougia

plate - tsiniI can understand the 1st and the 4th word. Translation into Bulgarian language:

fork - vilica. "Vila" has 2 meanings: "pitchfork" and "country house/cottage".

spoon - lazhica ("zh" as in Kozani)

knife - nozh ("zh" as in Kozani)

plate - tchininija ("tch" as in Tchaikovsky)

[Tsontos]

In Greek Kozani is pronounced with a straight 'z'. Do you mean a more 'tz' sound, as in Kocani?

[Zazula]

What language are these words, Albanian, Vlach, Greek, Slavic, Turkish....?

Word in English - Word in unknown language:

spoon - xliari


Χλιάρι ή χουλιάρι είναι παρεφθαρμένη μορφή της αρχαίας ελληνικής λέξης κοχλιάριον, που σημαίνει "κουτάλι". 'Ωσπου να φέρ' η μάμα μ' τα χλιάρια, μπαμπά μ' γίνηκε σαν του γρουν'.

[Peace Lover]

For sure not Albanian !
Seems Vlach langauge .

[Amarantos]

'Ωσπου να φέρ' η μάμα μ' τα χλιάρια, μπαμπά μ' γίνηκε σαν του γρουν'.

:clapping::clap2:

[kostas68]

Χλιάρι ή χουλιάρι είναι παρεφθαρμένη μορφή της αρχαίας ελληνικής λέξης κοχλιάριον, που σημαίνει "κουτάλι". 'Ωσπου να φέρ' η μάμα μ' τα χλιάρια, μπαμπά μ' γίνηκε σαν του γρουν'.
Wellcome my friend!Where are you from?You seem to speak a dialect simmilar to ours :
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/linguistics-forum/6796-macedonian-dialects.html
Yes,the word χλιάρι has the meaning of spoon and it was used in our local dialect.I forgot to mention it in the above thread.

[Zazula]

Wellcome my friend!Where are you from?You seem to speak a dialect simmilar to ours :

Yes,the word χλιάρι has the meaning of spoon and it was used in our local dialect.I forgot to mention it in the above thread.

Είμαι Σερραίος, φίλε Κώστα - εκεί γεννήθηκα, εκεί μεγάλωσα (όλη μου η οικογένεια εκεί μένει). Ο πατέρας μου είναι από την Πετρούσα κι η μάνα μου Μικρασιάτισσα. Έχω και φίλους Δαρνάκες (συγχαρητήρια για το περιεχόμενο του νήματος που παρέθεσες). :)

ΥΓ Θα 'βαζα και δυο συνδέσμους -μια για την Πετρούσα και μια για τα Δαρνακοχώρια-, αλλά δεν μου επιτρέπεται ακόμη. Δεν πειράζει.

[kostas68]

Είμαι Σερραίος, φίλε Κώστα - εκεί γεννήθηκα, εκεί μεγάλωσα (όλη μου η οικογένεια εκεί μένει). Ο πατέρας μου είναι από την Πετρούσα κι η μάνα μου Μικρασιάτισσα. Έχω και φίλους Δαρνάκες (συγχαρητήρια για το περιεχόμενο του νήματος που παρέθεσες). :)

ΥΓ Θα 'βαζα και δυο συνδέσμους -μια για την Πετρούσα και μια για τα Δαρνακοχώρια-, αλλά δεν μου επιτρέπεται ακόμη. Δεν πειράζει.
Πολύ ωραία,τώρα είμαστε 4 στο φόρουμ,αν κι εσύ πρέπει να είσαι...εκ μεταγραφής Σερραίος,εννοώ ότι η Πετρούσα,αν δεν κάνω λάθος είναι στο νομό Δράμας,μάλλον η μάνα σου πρέπει να είναι Σερραία,ε?Τώρα, απ'ότι κατάλαβα,δεν πρέπει να μένεις στις Σέρρες

[Christov]

In Greek Kozani is pronounced with a straight 'z'. Do you mean a more 'tz' sound, as in Kocani?No, like the first sound of the French "je tem!"

[Draco]

The sound of the ž in the Slavic name Kožani is like s in treasure.

[Christov]

The sound of the ž in the Slavic name Kožani is like s in treasure.exactly

[vlakas]

Πολύ ωραία,τώρα είμαστε 4 στο φόρουμ,αν κι εσύ πρέπει να είσαι...εκ μεταγραφής Σερραίος,εννοώ ότι η Πετρούσα,αν δεν κάνω λάθος είναι στο νομό Δράμας,μάλλον η μάνα σου πρέπει να είναι Σερραία,ε?Τώρα, απ'ότι κατάλαβα,δεν πρέπει να μένεις στις Σέρρες

kai ego Serraios ime :D apo kerkini meria :clap2:

[johnalexis]

Vila is a fork in the Kozanitiki dialect. And I think hliari is a spoon but I am not totally sure of this. My father in law used these words sometimes. He also used misha for hallway and pishkiri for hand towel. On the other hand familia was used for family, instead of oikogeneia and post was used for the post office instead of tachydromeio.

"Ancient Macedonian language has been recognised as a Greek dialect.

Specifically, the ISO XMK has the following specification:

Language Name: Ancient Macedonian
Alternate Name(s): Macedonian
Once Spoken in: Greece F.Y.R.O.M
Language Code: xmk (Former code: XMK )
Status: Extinct
Family: Indo-European
Subgroup: Macedonian
Subgrouping Code: Indoeuropean Greek Branch

Brief Description: The ancient language of the Macedonian kingdom in N. Greece and modern Macedonia during the later 1st millennium BC. Survived until the early 1st millennium AD. NOT to be confused with the modern Macedonian language, which is a close relative of the Slavic Bulgarian."

[johnalexis]

exactly

In Greek though Kozani is pronounced KO - ZA - NI - the Z being pronounced as in zebra.

[johnalexis]

For sure not Albanian !
Seems Vlach langauge .

I posted this on another thread. 1904 census for Kozani which was still under the control of the Ottoman Empire.

Population Greek 12.000 Vlach 300

It doesn't make sense that Vlach words would be part of the Kozanitiki dialect given the above numbers.

We know that the original inhabitants of Kozani came to the area (mountain plateau) from the plains of Macedonia in order to avoid the Turks - Aghios Dimitrios church was then a monastery and the whole area was heavily forested. We also know that new settlers came from the Epirus area a few years later.

John

χλιάρʼ (του) : α. το κουτάλι, β. χλιαρά (η) = η κουταλιά, γ. χλιάρα (η) = 1. η κουτάλα σερβιρίσματος, 2. υβρ. η γλωσσού (ιδίως γυναίκα), δ. χλιαράκʼ (του) = το κουταλάκι, ε. Προέλευση : από το αρχαίο κοχλίας, πηγή : ΑΠΘ.

μισιά (η) : α. ο κεντρικός χώρος ενός σπιτιού, το χολ, β. ενδιάμεσος χώρος μεταξύ των οντάδων.


The following link has all the Kozanitiki words and their meaning and origin.

http://www.giapraki.com/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.1887

[kostas68]

kai ego Serraios ime :D apo kerkini meria :clap2:
There are some awsome landscapes around Kerkini lake.Where are you exactly from?

[vlakas]

There are some awsome landscapes around Kerkini lake.Where are you exactly from?

well originally im from Parapotamos but our house is in Rodopoly if you even know where those are :) you could walk to Belles its close

[kostas68]

well originally im from Parapotamos but our house is in Rodopoly if you even know where those are :) you could walk to Belles its close
Don't worry,i know these vilages very well.We have 196 villages in Serres prefecture but i know were is located everyone.When i was soldier,a surgeant from Ano Poroia named Nanos heard that i am from Serres region and asked me the name of my village.When i answered<Emmanouil Papas> he said?<Where is this village?I hear this name for first time!>
I have been in Rodopoli and Parapotamos as well,15-16 years ago.In Rodopoli i stayed around 3-4 weeks.Nice village,i liked it.It's the economical center of the region.Parapotamos,if i remember well is a small village with 100-150 inhabitants.

[vlakas]

Don't worry,i know these vilages very well.We have 196 villages in Serres prefecture but i know were is located everyone.When i was soldier,a surgeant from Ano Poroia named Nanos heard that i am from Serres region and asked me the name of my village.When i answered<Emmanouil Papas> he said?<Where is this village?I hear this name for first time!>
I have been in Rodopoli and Parapotamos as well,15-16 years ago.In Rodopoli i stayed around 3-4 weeks.Nice village,i liked it.It's the economical center of the region.Parapotamos,if i remember well is a small village with 100-150 inhabitants.

I cant say i know every village or town in Serres but i know Emmanouil Papas but i cant locate it on a map :p , yeah rodopoly is basically the center of poroia ano and kato , parapotamos , neoxori etc . Parapotamos yeah they cant be more than 150 people there now there used to be more lively when i was a kid i remember there used to come alot of kids from all around to their village now no one does.

[Foti66]

Gia sas patriotakia. Kai ego eho genithei sti Serres. Goneis apo to Neo Skopo. Tora katiko sto Sikago.

[kostas68]

Gia sas patriotakia. Kai ego eho genithei sti Serres. Goneis apo to Neo Skopo. Tora katiko sto Sikago.
Haha,enas enas vgainoun sti fora oi...akanedes.:) !Do you know the moto:Eimaste oraioi giati eimaste Serraioi?
Foti's village is one of the bigest in Serres,about 2500 inhabitants who are originating from Skopos,a town in Eastern Thrace.Their ancestors came in the area after the population exchange in 1922 and founded their new homeland in a very fertile plain near Strymonas river.Neos Skopos is famous in Serres region for his watermelons and therefore its inhabitants bears the nickname...karpouzas(karpouzi=watermelon).
Now,Foti,listen a funny incident that happened around 16-17 years ago.Some of your fellow villagers who wanted to reserve a restaurant for a wedding feast couldn't find in their village anyone available and therefore they went in the neighboring village Agio Pnevma.When they were asked <where are you from?> and responded <eimaste Skopianoi> (We are Skopians=from Skopos) they got the answer:<Go away from here,we don't like Skopians!>