Ataturk

[pao2gre]

Guys I've got to do a fairly short assessment on an individual which in my case is ataturk.

The question whichi im going to answer is "What was Ataturks role in the genocides against the armenians, Assyrians and Greeks?"

Is that too strong a question or should I do a different one?

Also Ive been doing some research but i havnt been able to find an unbiased book on him.....u guys have any info ???

EFXARISTO PARA POLI!!!

[PhiliptheUniterchaeronea]

This guy was a real piece of ...work. The Armanians have a lot of information of this topic. They lost the most lives. THe Greeks lost much in terms of history, culture and property. The Ionian Greeks had lived there for at least 40 centuries, just to be wiped out by a crazy Turk. The Islamification of Asia minor was completed in a sense when he expelled and killed many of the Christians. These sources are n ot only on the little crazy man, but also of his little crazy men.

http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/pontian-history-asia-minor-forum/579-day-memory.html
http://www.armenian-genocide.org/kemal.html
http://www.hellenicnews.com/readnews.html?newsid=1922&lang=US
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/pontian-history-asia-minor-forum/417-minor-asia-campaign-its-consequenses.html
http://www.hellenicgenocide.org/
http://imia.cc.duth.gr/turkey/gree.e.html
Amazon.ca: Not Even My Name: A True Story: Thea Halo: Books
Amazon.ca: Smyrna 1922: The Destruction of a City: Marjorie Housepian Dobkin: Books
In the Aftermath of Genocide: Armenians and Jews in Twentieth-Century France: Maud Mandel: Amazon.ca: Books
Amazon.ca: : generic This one is after Ataturk.

Websites can be useful, but get sources for all materials used. Books are safer, but even idiots can write books (even the Skops have some, not many, but you know what I mean). I do prefer to read books on the matter, and feel they are more accurate on the most part. However, they are not as convenient as the 'net, so be careful in wahtever works you use, and be prepared to address questions. Take the stand, just have all your info and sources ready. Keep researching and if need be, I'll try to help more. I would pm some of the guys here who have tons of info. I hope I didn't make this too much into a uni tyoe paper.:laugh:

[pao2gre]

file, do u kno who these guys r who kno more than u lol :laugh: cause i cant pm them till i kno who they r ........ thanks tons for what uve given me so far.

[HellenicPride]

Ataturk was responsible as well as other for the genocide. As a matter of fact I have good info on it here http://helleniclife.net/Greece%20in%20the%20war%20of%201919.htm. Obviously its not about ataturks life and all that but you should be able to get a good idea.

[Orphic_Hymn]

Hi pao2gre

You could also add a bit on the German (early Nazi) influence on the Turks. Try looking up the implication of the German General Otto Liman von Sanders and how the Turks used the racsist theories of Gobineau.
The later gave birth to the so-called "Sun Theory" (in Turkish known as "Gunes Dil Teorisi") in which the Turkish language is supposed to be the mother of all languages and the "Turkish Thesis of History" ( the "Turk Tarih Tezi") in which we find the Turks having influenced every culture worldwide, including Hellinic, Roman, Hittite...etc

I remember reading that Spyros Vryonis has alot of proof (documents..etc) in his books on the extermination of the Hellines.(sorry no link yet)

[akritas]

Ataturk, as most military and political leaders, was not a historian, but like so many such men he had a historical sense, a clear perception of the powerful weapon that history could be in the political and social arenas, and like them saw it only as a tool to be shaped according to the needs of the moment and then to be used. One is reminned of the pithy aphorism of the Marquis de Custine in regard to Tsarist autocracy and the damnatio memoriae which the Russian rulers often imposed on the names of all those considered undesireable.


"God can change the future, but only the Tsar can change the past."

Some intresting thinks as about the Keaml Attaturk via quotes that tell as about the Turkish Ethnogenesis


“Our ancestors who founded great states became the masters of great and extensive civilizations.We are obligated to research this, to carry out investigations, and to announce (their results) to Turkdom and to the world. Turkish youth in knowing its ancestry shall find strength in it to carry out even greater deeds "(Landau,Pand Turkism in Turkey)

The basic assertion-conclusion of the First Tmkish historical Congress was threefold:

a) "The history of the Turkish nation as it has, up to today, been known, does not consist merely of Ottoman history. Turkish history is much older, and the nation which dispersed culture to all nations is the Turkish nation. "

b) "The Turkish race... is not yellow. The Turks are white men and brachycephalic. Today masters of our homeland and founders of the oldest culture we are their children acknowledging the same name."

c) "The Turks, bringing civilization to the places in which they settled, and first founders of the civilizations of Irak, Anatolia, Egypt and the Aegean,
are from Central Asia.We, today's Turks, are the offspring of Central Asiatics

All the above were the lines of the Kemalism as expressed from the Kemal and continue today.You can now understand how the Turkish thinking ;)

[Tsontos]

The German-Turkish alliance:



The turning point for the Hellenes of Asia Minor was the German-Turkish alliance that arose following the signing of the Treaty of Berlin (1878). Germany regarded Anglo-French ‘protection’ of the Empire’s Christian peoples as an obstacle to its interests. Using the pretext of reform of the Ottoman military, Germany opened the doors of the Berlin Academy to Turkish officers (amongst them Mustapha Kemal Ataturk and Enver Pasha, architects of the Holocaust) and arranged the appointment of General Gφtz to restructure the Ottoman armed forces along German lines.

Germany convinced the Turkish authorities that the Hellenes were working for the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. (At this time, the Empire’s economic and political life was dominated by Hellenes, Armenians and Jews.) The successful national movements throughout the Aimos Peninsula (Balkans) posed the possibility that similar movements would appear amongst the indigenous populations of Asia Minor (Hellenes, Armenians, Lazes, Assyrians/Chaldeans).

Hence, following the heavy defeat of the Ottoman Empire in the Balkan Wars (1912-13), the Young Turks (a military junta that seized control of the Empire in 1908), decided that Asia Minor would be a homeland for Turks alone: all others were to be eliminated. World War One gave the Young Turks the opportunity to implement their plan.

Germany willingly sacrificed the indigenous Christian peoples of Asia Minor to achieve its goals of direct access to the oil-fields of the Middle East. It is ironic, therefore, that the reports of German and Austro-Hungarian diplomats provide damning evidence that what was to take place was a meticulously-executed plan to depopulate Asia Minor of Christians: in other words, GENOCIDE.

“The Turks have decided upon a war of extermination against their Christian subjects.”

German Ambassador Wangenheim to German Chancellor von Bulow, quoting Turkish Prime Minister Sefker Pasha, July 24, 1909.

“The anti-Greek and anti-Armenian persecutions are two phases of one programme - the extermination of the Christian element from Turkey.”

Father J. Lepsius, German clergyman, July 31, 1915.

“...the entire Greek population of Sinope and the coastal region of the county of Kastanome has been exiled. Exile and extermination in Turkish are the same, for whoever is not murdered, will die from hunger or illness.”

Herr Kuchhoff, German consul in Amissos in a despatch to Berlin, July 16, 1916.

“On 26 November, Rafet Bey told me: ‘We must finish off the Greeks as we did with the Armenians’...On 28 November, Rafet Bey told me: ‘Today, I sent squads to the interior to kill every Greek on sight.’ I fear for the elimination of the entire Greek population and a repeat of what occurred last year.” (referring to the Armenian Genocide)

Herr Kwiatkowski, Austro-Hungarian consul in Amissos to Baron von Burian, Foreign Minister of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, November 30, 1916

“Consuls Bergfeld in Samsun and Schede in Kerasun report of displacement of local population and murders. Prisoners are not kept. Villages reduced to ashes. Greek refugee families consisting mostly of women and children being marched from the coasts to Sebasteia. The need is great.”

German Ambassador Kuhlman to German Chancellor Hollweg, December 13, 1916.

Herr Pallavicini, Ambassador of Austria-Hungary to Turkey, writes to Vienna, listing the villages in the region of Amissos that were being burnt to the ground, their inhabitants raped and either murdered or exiled, December 19, 1916:

“The situation for the displaced is desperate. Death awaits them all. I spoke to the Grand Vizier and told him that it would be sad if the persecution of the Greek element took the same scope and dimension as the Armenian persecution. The Grand Vizier promised that he would influence Talaat Bey and Enver Pasha.”

Austro-Hungarian Ambassador Pallavicini to Vienna, January 20, 1917

“The time is near for Turkey to be finished with the Greeks as we were with the Armenians in 1915.”

Talaat Bey as quoted by an Austro-Hungarian agent, January 31, 1917

“...the indications are that the Turks plan to eliminate the Greek element as enemies of the state, as they did earlier with the Armenians. The strategy implemented by the Turks is of displacing people to the interior, without taking measures for their survival by exposing them to death, hunger and illness. The abandoned homes are then looted and burnt or destroyed. Whatever was done to the Armenians is being repeated with the Greeks.”

Chancellor Hollweg of Germany, February 9, 1917.

Thus, by official government decree, were 353 000 Pontian Hellenes slaughtered. Another 500 000 fled into exile (60% to Hellas, 40% to the Soviet Union). The Christian nations of the world were witnesses to this crime against humanity, but for reasons of political expediency and economic self-interest, by their silence, they pardoned the criminals. The Ottoman and Kemalist Turks denied the Hellenes of Pontus, of Kappadokia, of Ionia and of eastern Thrace the very right to exist.

The Kemalist Turks thought that they had rid themselves of all the Hellenes of Asia Minor. For decades, it was thought that Hellenism had died in Asia Minor. The truth is that eastern Hellenism survives. The Pontian Hellenic dialect continues to be spoken in Pontus by the Muslim inhabitants of the region. Hellenic also continues to be spoken in the Aivalik (Kydonies) region, near the ruins of Troy. Pilgrims regularly gather at the Monastery of Panayia Soumela; these include many nominally Muslim inhabitants of Pontus. They meet pilgrims from Hellas, Australia and around the world. They converse in Pontian Hellenic, dance the same folk-dances to the sounds of the same musical instruments, they worship at the same holy spring, at the heart of the Monastery’s majestic ruins. On July 20, every year, thousands of ‘Muslim’ Pontians gather at the vale of Touyia to celebrate the feast day of the Prophet Elijah (Elias). Pontian Hellenism today thrives throughout the world and survives in its home soil: PONTUS.

[Tsontos]

http://www.hr-action.org/pontos/eggrafo.jpg

"According to the written order of the General Administration, it is probable that the Hellinic nation under these circumstances will show particular fanatism. Under the smallest opposition, every soldier must do his duty and KILL THSES PEOPLE IN LARGE NUMBERS. Every soldier is obliged to KILL 4-5 HELLINES FOR HIS COUNTRY'S GLORY.

[pao2gre]

thanks for the help guys. ALso could anyone give me any website info on Kemal himself and historian contradictions on the man???

[Kemalist]

:lol:

Talk about hate..

What about Alexander the great?

What about his wholesale destruction of Thebes, when he razed every house in the city (with the exception of the poet Pindar's), killed all the men and enslaved 30,000 women and children?

What about his burning of the magnificent holy city of Persepolis, the symbolic heart of the Persian Empire?

What about Alexander's massacre of the Branchidae, whose only crime was to have been the distant descendants of Greeks who had surrendered the temple of Apollo in Miletos to Xerxes more than a century and a half earlier?

What about his execution of Batis, the governor of Gaza? After Alexander conquered the city, he had Batis tied to a chariot and dragged round the city's walls until he died an excruciating death.

History has blood all over its hands no matter how you look at it, no one was innocent, you tell me one that didnt commit murder and crimes in order to get where they got?

[Reaper]

Hilter was guilty if genocide and destroying Europe. Alexander is guilty of civilising the east for century's after his death. He brought East and West closer than anyone.

[Kemalist]

Im not trying to put down AtG Im just saying that everyone including him have their share of crimes and no one in history was innocent.

Hitler? We're talking about Ataturk here and if you're trying to imply Ataturk could of been compared to Hitler then you are driven by anti-Turkness more then you are in facts and knowledge about the man. He wasnt innocent but he was no Hitler either.

Theres memorials to Ataturk worldwide, his statue is in Havana, Cuba, Ataturk Memorial in Wellington, New Zealand, the Ataturk Forest in Israel, and the Ataturk Memorial in the place of honour on ANZAC drive in Canberra, Australia. The Kemal Attaturk Avenue, one of the busiest and well-known streets of Bangladesh...

We have enough to worry about with the Hitlers of today then to put down people from the past. I just dont see the point concentrating on Ataturk when everyone in history is guilty of crimes.

[Reaper]

Well whether you like it or not, Hitler is often compared to Alexander the Great by the politically correct esp in the UK. Attaturk himself I don't think compares and niether does Alexander who gave more than he took which is how I judge any dictator.

[Tsontos]

despite all the statues and nicities for a nice, semi-well known statesman, Ataturk was a racist in the modern sense of the word and a Greek hater

""Mustafa Kemal recalled his first brief visit to the city on his way to Syria in 1905. 'At that time,' he said, 'I saw this beautiful quayside full of members of a race which was our sworn enemy, and I concluded that Izmir had slipped away from the hands of its true and noble Turkish inhabitants.""

-Andrew Mango's: Ataturk - The Biography of the Founder of Modern Turkey. page 217-218

[patron]

When Kemal Ataturk Recited Shema Yisrael
"It's My Secret Prayer, Too," He Confessed

by Hillel Halkin
FORWARD, 28 January 1994. New York

ZICHRON YAAKOV - There were two questions I wanted to ask, I said over the phone to Batya Keinan, spokeswoman for Israeli president Ezer Weizman, who was about to leave the next day, Monday, Jan. 24, on the first visit ever made to Turkey by a Jewish chief of state. One was whether Mr. Weizman would be taking part in an official ceremony commemorating Kemal Ataturk.

Ms. Kenan checked the president's itinerary, according to which he and his wife would lay a wreath on Ataturk's grave the morning of their arrival, and asked what my second question was.

"Does President Weizman know that Ataturk had Jewish ancestors and was taught Hebrew prayers as a boy?"

"Of course, of course," she answered as unsurprisedly as if I had inquired whether the president was aware that Ataturk was Turkey's national hero.

Excited and Distressed

I thanked her and hung up. A few minutes later it occurred to me to call back and ask whether President Weizman intended to make any reference while in Turkey to Ataturk's Jewish antecedents. "I'm so glad you called again," said Ms. Kenan, who now sounded excited and a bit distressed. "Exactly where did you get your information from?"

Why was she asking, I countered, if the president's office had it too?

Because it did not, she confessed. She had only assumed that it must because I had sounded so matter-of-fact myself. "After you hung up," she said, "I mentioned what you told me and nobody here knows anything about it. Could you please fax us what you know?"

I faxed her a short version of it. Here is a longer one.

Stories about the Jewishness of Ataturk, whose statue stands in the main square of every town and city in Turkey, already circulated in his lifetime but were denied by him and his family and never taken seriously by biographers. Of six biographies of him that I consulted this week, none even mentions such a speculation. The only scholarly reference to it in print that I could find was in the entry on Ataturk in the Israeli Entsiklopedya ha-Ivrit, which begins:

"Mustafa Kemal Ataturk - (1881-1938), Turkish general and statesman and founder of the modern Turkish state.

"Mustafa Kemal was born to the family of a minor customs clerk in Salonika and lost his father when he was young. There is no proof of the belief, widespread among both Jews and Muslims in Turkey, that his family came from the Doenme. As a boy he rebelled against his mother's desire to give him a traditional religious education, and at the age of 12 he was sent at his demand to study in a military academy."

Secular Father

The Doenme were an underground sect of Sabbetaians, Turkish Jews who took Muslim names and outwardly behaved like Muslims but secretly believed in Sabbetai Zevi, the 17th-century false messiah, and conducted carefully guarded prayers and rituals in his name. The encyclopedia's version of Ataturk's education, however, is somewhat at variance with his own. Here is his account of it as quoted by his biographers:

"My father was a man of liberal views, rather hostile to religion, and a partisan of Western ideas. He would have preferred to see me go to a * lay school, which did not found its teaching on the Koran but on modern science.

"In this battle of consciences, my father managed to gain the victory after a small maneuver; he pretended to give in to my mother's wishes, and arranged that I should enter the [Islamic] school of Fatma Molla Kadin with the traditional ceremony. ...

"Six months later, more or less, my father quietly withdrew me from the school and took me to that of old Shemsi Effendi who directed a free preparatory school according to European methods. My mother made no objection, since her desires had been complied with and her conventions respected. It was the ceremony above all which had satisfied her."

Who was Mustafa Kemal's father, who behaved here in typical Doenme fashion, outwardly observing Muslim ceremonies while inwardly scoffing at them? Ataturk's mother Zubeyde came from the mountains west of Salonika, close to the current Albanian frontier; of the origins of his father, Ali Riza, little is known.

Different writers have given them as Albanian, Anatolian and Salonikan, and Lord Kinross' compendious 1964 "Ataturk" calls Ali Riza a "shadowy personality" and adds cryptically regarding Ataturk's reluctance to disclose more about his family background: "To the child of so mixed an environment it would seldom occur, wherever his racial loyalties lay, to inquire too exactly into his personal origins beyond that of his parentage."

Learning Hebrew

Did Kinross suspect more than he was admitting? I would never have asked had I not recently come across a remarkable chapter while browsing in the out-of-print Hebrew autobiography of Itamar Ben-Avi, son of Eliezer Ben-Yehuda, the leading promoter of the revival of spoken Hebrew in late 19th-century Palestine. Ben-Avi, the first child to be raised in Hebrew since ancient times and later a Hebrew journalist and newspaper publisher, writes in this book of walking into the Kamenitz Hotel in Jerusalem one autumn night in 1911 and being asked by its proprietor: " 'Do you see that Turkish officer sitting there in the corner, the one* with the bottle of arrack?' "

" 'Yes.' "

" 'He's one of the most important officers in the Turkish army.' "

" 'What's his name?' "

" 'Mustafa Kemal.' "

" 'I'd like to meet him,' I said, because the minute I looked at him I was startled by his piercing green eyes."

Ben-Avi describes two meetings with Mustafa Kemal, who had not yet taken the name of Ataturk, 'Father of the Turks.' Both were conducted in French, were largely devoted to Ottoman politics, and were doused with large amounts of arrack. In the first of these, Kemal confided:

"I'm a descendant of Sabbetai Zevi - not indeed a Jew any more, but an ardent admirer of this prophet of yours. My opinion is that every Jew in this country would do well to join his camp."

During their second meeting, held 10 days later in the same hotel, Mustafa Kemal said at one point:"

'I have at home a Hebrew Bible printed in Venice. It's rather old, and I remember my father bringing me to a Karaite teacher who taught me to read it. I can still remember a few words of it, such as --' "

And Ben-Avi continues:

"He paused for a moment, his eyes searching for something in space. Then he recalled:

" 'Shema Yisra'el, Adonai Elohenu, Adonai Ehad!'

" 'That's our most important prayer, Captain.'

" 'And my secret prayer too, cher monsieur,' he replied, refilling our glasses."

Although Itamar Ben-Avi could not have known it, Ataturk no doubt meant "secret prayer" quite literally. Among the esoteric prayers of the Doenme, first made known to the scholarly world when a book of them reached the National Library in Jerusalem in 1935, is one containing the confession of faith:

"Sabbetai Zevi and none other is the true Messiah. Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one."

It was undoubtedly from this credo, rather than from the Bible, that Ataturk remembered the words of the Shema, which to the best of my knowledge he confessed knowing but once in his adult life: to a young Hebrew journalist whom he engaged in two tipsily animated conversations in Jerusalem nearly a decade before he took control of the Turkish army after its disastrous defeat in World War I, beat back the invading Greeks and founded a secular Turkish republic in which Islam was banished - once and for all, so he thought - to the mosques.

Ataturk would have had good reasons for concealing his Doenme origins. Not only were the Doenmes (who married only among themselves and numbered close to 15,000, largely concentrated in Salonika, on the eve of World War I) looked down on as heretics by both Muslims and Jews, they had a reputation for sexual profligacy that could hardly have been flattering to their offspring. This license, which was theologically justified by the claim that it reflected the faithful's freedom from the biblical commandments under the new dispensation of Sabbetai Zevi, is described by Ezer Weizman's predecessor, Israel's second president, Yitzchak Ben-Zvi, in his book on lost Jewish communities, "The Exiled and the Redeemed":

'Saintly Offspring'

"Once a year [during the Doenmes' annual 'Sheep holiday'] the candles are put out in the course of a dinner which is attended by orgies and the ceremony of the exchange of wives. ... The rite is practiced on the night of Sabbetai Zevi's traditional bithday. ... It is believed that children born of such unions are regarded as saintly."

Although Ben-Zvi, writing in the 1950s, thought that "There is reason to believe that this ceremony has not been entirely abandoned and continues to this day," little is known about whether any of the Doenmes' traditional practices or social structures still survive in modern Turkey. The community abandoned Salonika along with the city's other Turkish residents during the Greco-Turkish war of 1920-21, and its descendants, many of whom are said to be wealthy businessmen and merchants in Istanbul, are generally thought to have assimilated totally into Turkish life.

After sending my fax to Batya Keinan, I phoned to check that she had received it. She had indeed, she said, and would see to it that the president was given it to read on his flight to Ankara. It is doubtful, however, whether Mr. Weizman will allude to it during his visit: The Turkish government, which for years has been fending off Muslim fundamentalist assaults on its legitimacy and on the secular reforms of Ataturk, has little reason to welcome the news that the father of the 'Father of the Turks' was a crypto-Jew who passed on his anti-Muslim sentiments to his son. Mustafa Kemal's secret is no doubt one that it would prefer to continue to be kept.

forum.europeans.ws/europeans/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=108

[akritas]

ATATURK ALSO A SECRET DESCENDANT OF SABBATI ZEVI:)

Sabbati Zevi claimed 1666 (note the 666) as the millenium he came as a messiah for the jews.He was a Kabbalah scholar
Recently, new evidence has surfaced that Ataturk was not only a non-muslim doenmeh, but a secret Jewish descendant of Jewish false prophet Sabbati Zevi!
The evidence comes not from tracing his geneology, but from a statement he himself made. Check out the following

Jew Watch - Leaders - Mustafa Kemal Ataturk (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-leaders-ataturk.html)

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Orphic_Hymn]

The Election of Caliph/Khalifah and World Peace - Page 123
by Mowla, Khondakar G. - 1998 p. 123-127



Alaturk, who abolished Caliphate In 1924 giving greatest blow to World Muslim was a Secret Jew


What we can expect from secret Jews who are controlling Turkish Army? Ataturk was a secret Jew. whose ancestors were given shelter by Osmani Caliph alter Spanish inquisition. And those secret jews gave the price to World Muslims by destroying the Caliphate alter Sultan Abdul Hamid refused to allow Jewish Stale in Palestine.

Caliphate is a must for this world as there will be no restriction of passport and visa, where no people can be a hostage within a small border, where a few families will become owner of billion of dollars wealth, where rule of law will be imposed by those few families for their personal benefit. So the World must know how human nght of billions of people violated by the treacherous way when 1300 years old Caliphate was abolished in 1924. We all know about the role played by Lawrence of Arab; but many of us are ignorant about the following: "the new Turkish Slate is a slate of the people and a slate by the people." But why Ataturk abolished Khilafat. which was the political System of majority people of Turkey? Ataturk was a Jew, secret Jew and the greatest enemy of Islam .as he abolished the Caliphate and suppressed the Muslims.


But along with Western powers and Jews there were some secret Jews who were conspiring against the Khilafa. Kamal Aiatuik was one of them.


The following is from The Literary Digest, October 14. 1922. p 50:

He was not even a Turk.. He was a Doenmeh (secret Jew)... He achieved the objective of not the Turks buy of the Doenmehs who slowly took over thc Ottoman Stale by openly converting to and practicing Islam but secretly practicing their old religion... Me was not a Turk, let alone 'Father of the Turks'... He was a Doenmeh who wore first a Muslim mask, then a Turkish mask.. A Spanish Jew by ancestry, an orthodox Moslem by birth and
breeding, trained in a German war college, a patriot, a student of the campaigns of the world's great generals, including Napoleon, Grant and Lee - these are said to be a few outstanding characteristics in the personality of the new "Man on Horseback*' who has appeared in the Near East. He is a real dictator, the correspondents testify, a man of the type which is at once the hope and fear of nations torn lo pieces by unsuccessful wars. Unity and
power have come back to Turkey largely through the will of Mustafa Kemal Pasha


There was the pasha himself, (all, still young, good-looking, narrow-hipped, wide-shouldered. with gray, rather sad eyes that spoke eloquently of his Spanish-Jewish ancestry - for Kemal. like Enver Pasha, tho an orthodox Moslem, is descended from those Spanish-Jewish families that, given by Christianity the tolerant choice between death, conversion and exile, found asylum and happiness in the Sultan’s domains - and with strong, high-veined hands, brood and tint across the wrist - (he hands of an artist, a dreamer, yet. too, those of a doer, a man who knows how to clout his dreams into facts.

This was the origin of the most important group, numerically and historically, of Islamic Marranos the faithful Mohammedans call these hidden Jews "doenmehs", the renegades.Over the years the 'doenmch' movement became firmly established in Asia Minor. In the nineteenth century the sect was estimated lo have twenty thousand members. Salonika remained its main seal until that city became Greek in 1913.

Here is a quotation from Joachim Prinz's 'The Secret Jews'; page 122: I did not make the story nor any member of World Muslim. From the same book written by a Jew the World can know how Jew lived under Caliphate. Spain lo India and Yemen to Bosnia and how Jews were placed in high post. But what we know now is that the World Muslims who protected the Jews from inquisition after inquisition by European Christians; were fooled and by the same Jews Caliphate were abolished.


The revolt of the Young Turks m 1908 against the authoritarian regime of Sudan Abdul Hamid began among the intellectuals of Salonika It was from there that the demand for a constitutional regime originated. Among the leaders of the revolution which resulted in a more modern government in Turkey were Djavid Bey and Mustafa Kemal. Both were ardent 'doenmehs*. Djavid Bey became minister of finance; Mustafa Kemal became the leader of the new regime and he adopted the name of Ataturk. His opponents tried to use his 'doenmeh background to unseat him. but without success. Too many of the Young Turks in the newly formed revolutionary Cabinet prayed to Allah, but had as their real prophet Shabtai Zvi, the Messiah of Smyrna.


The followings are another quotations on Ataturk:

The fact that he was a despot and dictator cannot be denied. It was his cruelty and sadistic treatment of Muslims that makes him stand out as one of the worst enemies of Allah. The above was only what was reported and recorded by mostly Western observers. The extent of what actually went on in the new Turkey by the direct policy of Kamal, was heinous to say the least. He was an enemy of Allah (swt) to the core.

TIME January 9. 1933 p. 64

Squinting skyward last week. Turks looked for the new moon. When they should see it Ramadan would begin. Ramadan the mystic month in which the Koran was revealed to Prophet Mohammed. This year the first glint of the new moon had a special, dread significance. Turks had been ordered by their stem dictator. Mustafa Kemal Pasha who made them drop the veil and the fez (TIME. Feb. 15. 1926 ct scq). that beginning with Ramadan they must no longer call their god by his Arabic name. Allah.


No godly man. Dictator Kemal considers that there is no reason why Turks should not call Allah by his Turkish name Tanri. There is no reason except centuries of tradition, no reason except that Turkish imams (priests) all know die Koran by heart in Arabic while few if any have memorized it in Turkish Strict to the point of cruelty last week was Dictator Kemal's decree that muezzins, calling the faithful to prayer from the top of Turkey's minarets, must shout not the hallowed "Allah Akbar!" (Arabic for "God is Great!") but the unfamiliar words 'Tanri Uludur!" which means the same thing in Turkish.


When imams threatened to suspend services in the mosques and hide the prayer rugs, the Government announced that it was holding 400 brand-new prayer rugs in reserve, threatened to produce "newly trained muezzins who know the Koran in Turkish and are ready to jump into the breach."

Nearer & nearer crept the moon to crescent. Ramadan was almost upon Turkey when officials of the Department of Culture (which includes religion) screwed up their courage and told Dictator Kcmal that he simply> could not change the name of Turkey's god - at least not last week Already several muezzins had been thrown into jail for announcing that they would continue to shout "Allah Amber!" The populace was getting ugly, obviously sympathized with the Allah-shouters.

Abruptly Dictator Kemal yielded "Let them pray as they please, temporarily" he growled. Beaming, his Minister rushed off to proclaim the glad respite only a few hours before the new moon appeared. "On account of the general unprepared ness of muezzins and imams," they suavely declared, "prayers may be offered and the Koran recited in Arabic during the present month of Ramadan, but discourse by the imams must be in Turkish."
During Ramadan all Moslems are especially irritable because they cat nothing during the hours of daylight. Alter the fasting is over "lurks will be more tractable, may accept from their Dictator a new name for their God.

TIME Februrary 20. 1933 p 18

Word for God A hard father to his people, Mustafa Kemal told his Turks last December that they must forget God in the Arabic language (Allah), learn Him in Turkish (Tanri). Admitting the delicacy of renaming a 1300-year-old god, Kemal gave the muezzins a time allowance to learn the Koran in Turkish. Last week in pious Bursa. the "green city." a muezzin halloed "Tanri Uludur" from one of the minarets whence Brusians had heard "Allah Akbar" since the 14th Century. Raging al Kcmal Pasha's god, they mobbed the muezzin, mobbed the police who came lo save him.



Quick to defend his new word for God. Quicker to show new Turkey the fate of the old-fashioned. Kemal the Ghazi. "The Victorious One." pounced on Brusa, had 60 of the faithful arrested, ousted the Mufti (ecclesiastical judge) of the Ouglubjami mosque and decreed that henceforth God was Tanri.

TIME February 15, 1926 pp. 15-16

"Turkey presents today the most promising and challenging Held on the face of the earth for missionary service.*' Thus wrote James L. Barton, missionary executive, in last week's issue of 'Christian Work.' But first he summarized the revolutionary changes in Turkey since 1923. The changes:........For a hundred years Christian missionaries have struggled hopelessly to capture the hearts of the Calif-awed Turks. They had come, said Mr. Ration, to suspect that "the Moslem was outside the sphere of the operation of divine grace."


Turkey Emil Lcngyei 1941. pp. 140-141

During the early days of Kemal's career, many of his followers were under the impression that HE was a champion of Islam and that they were fighting the Christians. "Ghazi. Destroyer of Christians' was the name they gave him. Had that been aware of his real intentions, they would have called him "Glum, Destroyer of Islam."


Grey Wolf. Mustafa Kemal An Intimate Study of a Dictator H.C. Armstrong. 1934

He was drinking heavily. The drink stimulated him, gave him energy, but increased his irritability. Both in private and public he was sarcastic, brutal and abrupt. He flared up at the least criticism lie cut short all attempts lo reason with him. He flew into a passion at the least opposition. He would neither confide in nor co-operate with anyone. When one politician gave him some harmless advice, he roughly told him to get out. When a venerable member of the Cabinet suggested that it was unseemly for Turkish ladies to dance in public, he threw a Koran at him and chased him out of his office with a stick, p. 241:

"For five hundred years these rules and theories of an Arab sheik. «he said and the interpretations of generations of lazy, good-for-nothing priests have decided the civil and the criminal law of Turkey."


"They had decided The form of The constitution, the details of The lives of each Turk, his food, his hours of rising and sleeping, the shape of his clothes, the routine of the midwife who produced his children, what he learnt in his schools, his customs, his thoughts, even his most intimate habits.


""Islam, this theology of an immoral Arab, is a dead thing «Possibly it might have suited tribes of nomads in the desert. It was no good for a modern progressive Slate.

"God's revelation!" There was no God. That was one of the chains by which the priests and bad rulers bound the people down.

"A ruler who needs religion to help him rule is a weakling. No weakling should rule.," And the priests! How he hated them. The lazy. unproductive priests who ate up the sustenance of the people. He would chase them out of their mosques and monasteries to work like men.

Religion! He would tear religion from Turkey as one might tear the throttling ivy away to save a young tree. p. 243:

Further, it was public knowledge that he was irreligious, broke all the rules of decency, and scoffed at sacred things. He had chased the Sheik-ul-lslam, the High Priest of Islam, out of his office and thrown the Koran after him. He had forced the women in Angora to unveil. He had encouraged them to dance body close to body with accursed foreign men and Christians.

Turkey Emil Lengyel 1941. p. 134

Kemal cared nothing about Allah; he was interested in himself and in Turkey. He hated Allah and made him responsible for Turkey's misfortune. It was Allah's Tyrannical rule that paralyzed the hands of the Turk. But he knew that Allah was real to the Turkish peasant, while nationalism meant nothing to him. He decided, therefore, to draft Allah into his service as the publicity director of his national cause. Through Allah's aid his people must cease to be Mohammedans and become Turks. Then, after Allah had served Kemal's purpose, he could discard him.


Ataturk. The Rebirth of a Nation Lord Kinross. 1965, p. 437


For Kemall. Islam and civilization were a contradiction in terms. "If only." be once said of the Turks, with a flash of cynical insight, "we could make them Christians!" His was not to be the reformed Islamic state for which the Faithful were waiting: it was to be a strictly lay stale, with a centralized Government as strong as the Sultan's, backed by the army and run by his own intellectual bureaucracy. p. 470:

The cleavage in his musical tastes emerged in Istanbul, where he once had two orchestras, one Turkish and one European, brought to the Park Hotel. He listened with constant interruptions, commanding one to stop and the other to play in turn. Finally, as the raki took effect, he lost patience and rose to leave the restaurant, saying. "Now if you like you can both play together." Another evening, incensed by the sound of the muezzin from a mosque opposite, which clashed with the dance-band, he ordered its minaret to be felled - one of those orders which was countermanded next morning.


Ataturk. The Rebirth of a Nation Lord Kinross. 1965, p. 365


Some confusion as to his identity persisted, however, for SOME years to come. Inspecting sonic soldiers in Anatolia. Kemal once asked. "Who is God and where docs He live?"

I lie soldier, anxious to please, replied, "God is Mustafa Kemal Pasha. He lives in Angora."

"And where is Angora?" Kemal asked.

"Angora is in Istanbul," was the reply.

Farther down the line he asked another soldier, "Who is Mustafa Kemal?"

The reply was. "Our Sultan."

Ataturk’s ancestors, who came from Spain alter the fall of Islam; were given shelter under the Caliphate. You can get the above book from Jewish division of New York Public library.

There must be the Caliphate if possible within few days, few months and in fact wc don't bother about those illegal immigrants and it is future Caliph who can decide about them and not London. Paris. Moscow or Washington as World Muslims never intend to interfere about policies in those Capitals.