PDA

View Full Version : The Serbian position and the development of "macedonism"


Dikigoros1981
05-24-2006, 01:32 PM
Dear Forum Members

Please excuse my lengthy absence from the forum. I have had many projects and work committments which have taken their toll. Nevertheless, for those who may not remember me, I was one of the members on maknews that could not be tolerated. I endeavoured to be as diplomatic as possible, yet any discussion or historical reasoning which had Hellenic or even Bulgarian leanings were either deleted and in many cases edited. I was subsequently banned. Nevertheless, I would just like to once again praise the administrators and forum members for their continual contributions with respect to the subject matter on this forum. I hope my contributions are useful. Well done once again...

I have been studying Modern Macedonian history for approximately 7 years (intensively for 4) and throughout this period, the Serbian position, especially during the early signs of "Macedonian" (i use the quotation marks boldly) nationalism, have interested me. Serbian geopolitical behaviour in particular prior to the establishment of Bulgarian organisations such as the IMARO**, nurtured the concept which was later transferred as a vehicle to promote nationalism in the subsequent years. There is no doubt that with the destruction of Ottoman Europe, the spoils of Macedonia would be carved up by the major ethnic powers of the region. This competition was primarily between the Serbians, Greeks, and Bulgarians as to who would dictate the future. Obviously, the concept of a "macedonian" ethnicity as our northern FYROMIAN neighbours attempt to establish was certainly a non-issue at the time, for such an identity really never existed. Uprisings such as Kresna Razlog for example, which are used as pivotal early signs of nationalism, are comfortably refuted via primary and secondary historical evidence. Furthermore, if such uprisings were so "anti-Bulgarian" in character, and pro "Macedonian" surely these "ethnic" "Macedonians" would have made further attempts without Bulgarian assistance. The answer is obvious that the concept of Macedonia as a separate ethnicity and historical succession was either a) not apparent, or b) vehemently denied by its own brethren. I believe both factors played their role.

The following is an extract I found on the internet which is actually very consistent with educated anti-nationalistic Serbian opinion on the matter. The material clearly explains the slavic speaking population of the region was primarily Bulgarian and efforts to create the concept of "Macedonianism" were established. Novakovic's theory in particular and his quoted passage in 1888 is a brilliant piece of history which underlines the true foundation of the "macedonian" ideology.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

In 1822 the Serbian folklorist and linguistic, Vuk Stefanovich Karadjich (1787-1864), published the first work containing grammatical facts about the Bulgarian language. His primary aim was to point out that the Bulgarian language existed, even though it was absent in the dictionaries published in Russia during the late 18th century and which were deemed to contain all languages known at that time. Interestingly Karadjich's analysis of the Bulgarian language was based on the Macedonian dialects.

Prior to formation of the Bulgarian Exarchate in 1870, there was a small, but influential group of Serbians, mainly politicians and some academics, who supported the concept of a "Greater Serbia". However, this was not the popular view and most Serbians saw Bulgarians as their Slav brothers and foresaw a close future relationship. For example in 1867 the Bulgarian emigrants in Bucharest had negotiated an agreement with the Serbians which included the following paramount clause

"The Yugoslavian kingdom will be composed of Serbians and Bulgarians, the latter comprising the territories of Bulgaria, Thrace and Macedonia"

Ilija Garashanin (1812-1874) was a distinguished Serbian statesman and the main architect of Serbian state policy between 1843-1868. In 1844 he published a blueprint, known as "Nachertanije" (Outline), describing future Serbian territorial ambitions. A plan modelled directly on Dushan's medieval empire - that is including both Macedonia and Old Serbia. But, at the same time Garashanin also encouraged a diplomatic policy of strong support for Bulgarian revolutionary activity against the Turks.

In fact it was 1848 Garashanin who arranged for the Bosnian Croat, Stefan Verkovich (1821-1893), on the pretext of completing Karadjich's linguistic research, to tour Macedonia and covertly collect ethnographic data ultimately be used as support for long- term Serbian hegemony. However in 1860, when the Serbian Academic Society published Verkovich's first volume of "Folk Songs of the Macedonian Bulgarian" awarding him the Serbian "Uceno Druzestvo" (Scholar's Society), in his preface Verkovich said:
I call these songs Bulgarian and not Slavic, because if someone today should ask the Macedonian Slav "what are you?" he would be immediately be told: "I am Bulgarian" and would call his language 'Bulgarian'.

Another champion of "Greater Serbia" was Professor Jovan Dragashevich who identified all Macedonians as latent Serbs. For example during the time of the First Bulgarian Legion in Belgrade (1862-4), acrimonious debate erupted between the Bulgarians and their Serbian hosts, over Dragashevich's "teachings" that Salonika was an integral part of "Old Serbia"It was also then that Georgi Rakvosky became conscious of increasing Serbian fanaticism and a desire by its politicians to annex Bulgaria both politically and culturally. These issues, together with settlement of the 1862 dispute between Serbia and Turkey, contributed to the expulsion of the Bulgarian Legion from Serbia.

Inspite of the close relationship between Serbians and Bulgarians, finance from the Serbian government for the "education" of the Macedonian Slavs was initiated in 1866. This led to the "Institute for Serbian Schools in Old Serbia and Macedonia" (1868), formed to coordinate both the building of schools and educational policy.

The Serbian Church had lent support to the Bulgarians in their struggle to establish the Bulgarian Exarchate in 1870; Serbs in general rejoiced at the success of their southern Slav brothers. However when the limits of the Bulgarian Exarchate became defined in 1872, more Serbs began to reflect the long-term political implications. Moreover the Serbian Church had always considered itself heir to the Bulgarian Archbishopric of Ohrid, because of its past subordination to the Pech Patriarchate. Consequently the Serbian Church had requested in 1869 that Turkey only allow Serbian clergy to operate within Macedonia.

Milosh S Milojevich (1840-1897) was the first Serbian to publicly challenge the prevailing consensus concerning the Exarchate's boundaries and the ethnic composition of the Macedonian territories. In 1873 he presented a paper to the Serbian Scholar's Society which characterised the Slavic population of Macedonia as Serbian - a basic repetition of Garashanin's beliefs. Milojevich's thesis was severely criticised by two other Society members, Stoyan Novakovich (1842-1915) and Milan Kujundjich. The latter described Milojevich as

"..a cheap, mischievous chauvinist, ignominiously condemned by his fellow countrymen for having committed an unfriendly act against a good neighbour."

Thus Milojevich's effort to publish a collection of 740 folk songs, gathered in Old Serbia and Macedonia, as examples of the Serbian language and culture, was rejected by the Serbian Scholars' Society as being flawed.

Nevertheless, Milojevich still found strong support and instituted a society (called by Hristo Botev the 'gang of blackguards') which sent money, books and teachers to Macedonia and parts of north- west Bulgaria. Editorials also appeared in Belgrade newspapers like "Istok", stating that the Exarchate was a chauvinistic institution intent on 'bulgarizing' the Serbs of Macedonian. In answer to such accusations many eminent Bulgarians, including Hristo Botev (1875) and Liuben Karavelov (1874), wrote scathing replies denouncing both the actions of Milojevich and his supporters as well as the Serbian government's surreptitious complicity.

The Russo-Turkish war of 1878 had a number of dire consequences for Serbian nationalistic goals. Because of its support for Russia, Turkey closed all Serbian schools within Macedonia. The Treaty of San Stefano in 1878 demonstrated to Serbian politicians that there existed a strong and general acceptance that Macedonia was populated by Bulgarians. Later in 1881 Serbian hopes to annex Bosnia and Herzegovina had to be abandoned, which meant redirecting its quest for an outlet to the Aegean - via Macedonia. These setbacks led Serbia to instigate the Serbo-Bulgarian war of 1885, which ended in its convincing defeat. Thus to accomplish, what it had failed to do militarily, Serbia now pursued two separate tactics to enhance its future claims to Macedonia. The first was based on proving directly that Macedonia was actually populated by Serbs not Bulgarians; the second involved fostering nascent Macedonian separatism (Macedonism) as a counter to Bulgarian influence.

In the late 1880s several Serbian academics, particularly Dragashevich, Milojko Veselinovich and Stojan Protich rationalised the seeming contradiction of the Macedonian population's non- Serbian identity as follows. First, the term "bulgar" within Macedonia was in fact a generic term meaning a "common person", and as such had no ethnographic meaning. The term "bulgar" had thus been misinterpreted by both the Greeks and European travellers to signify national affiliation, thus leading to the erroneous conclusion that the people had a Bulgarian self- identity. Second, after formation of the Serbian state, the Turkish authorities were anti-Serbian, therefore most Serbs preferred to call themselves "bulgars" to escape persecution. Third, in the post Exarchate era, propaganda forced people to identify themselves as "bulgars" so that the necessary signatures would be available to establish a Bulgarian Church - that is the Exarchate had become an "institution for the Bulgarization of the Serbs".

Spiridon Gopchevich, a Serbian diplomat and Milojevich adherent, made a brief to Macedonia in 1889 and on his return published an ethnographic map which characterising the Macedonian population right up to Nevrokop, Salonica and the Grammos mountains, as Serbian. The renown scholar, Vatroslav Yagich (1838-1923), editor of "Archiv fur Slavische Philologie" (1875-1923) made the following comment on Gopochevich's study -
to attack the tendentiously uncritical arguments of Gopochevich is unnecessary; his work condemns itself. It is a pity about the good paper and fine printing, the two most admirable aspects of the book.

Nevertheless, Gopochevich's study was accepted, endorsed and promoted by the Serbian government as further vindication of their position on the Macedonian Question.

While previously Stoyan Novakovich had criticised the chauvinistic policies of individuals like Milojevich, times had changed and now as an eminent Serbian statesman he felt it his duty to support Serbian claims to the Macedonian territories. Therefore initially Novakovich attempted to show that Slavic dialects of Macedonia were not part of the Bulgarian language but actually part of the Serbian language. However because his study was dismissed by noted academics of the period, including Yagich, Miletic, Oblak and Derzhavin, he realised that this strategy could not succeed. Subsequently Novakovich advanced a thesis that in the late 9th century Macedonia had three ethnic Slavic groups - Bulgarian, Serbian and "Slovene" - and that these divisions still persisted and were identifiable in the present population. He outlined his theory in "First Foundations of Slavic Literature Amongst the Balkan Slavs", a 300 page monograph published in 1893 by the Serbian Academy of Sciences. What Novakovich had produced was a blueprint for "de-Bulgarization" of the Macedonian Slavs by their "Macedonianization", if direct "Serbianization" could not be readily effected. The intent is explicitly confirmed by Novakovich's well known (and quoted) dispatch to the Serbian Minister of Education in 1888

******** KEY HERE ***"Since the Bulgarian idea, as it is well known to all, is deeply rooted in Macedonia, I think it is almost impossible to shake it completely by opposing it merely with the Serbian idea. This idea, we fear, would be incapable, as opposition pure and simple, of suppressing the Bulgarian idea. That is why the Serbian idea will need an ally that could stand in direct opposition to the Bulgarianism and would contain in itself the elements which could attract the people and their feelings and thus sever them from Bulgarianism. This ally I see in the Macedonism or to a certain extent in our nursing the Macedonian dialect and Macedonian separatism."

Novakovich's ideas were later amplified and extended, first by Iovan Cvijich, and later by Alexander Belitch. It is important to state that the theory of the three Slavic groups, propounded by Novakovich, Cvijich and Belitch was considered unsubstantiated by the available evidence; a position held by most academics including both Yagich and Niederle.
During the 1880s Novakovich effected several important plans to expand the concept of "Macedonism" (Macedonian Separatism) amongst the Macedonian population. Although the Novakovich's strategy can only be described as a failure, its formulation and intent leads to some important historic conclusions regarding the national consciousness (within that era) of the Macedonian people.

The Society of St Sava (founded in 1886) was the chief organ for dissemination of Serbian propaganda on the Macedonian Question and Novakovich was intricately involved behind its agenda and policies. During the same year four members of a secret Macedonian committee in Sofia, went to Belgrade to secure support for their proposed actions in Macedonia. Their plans included the restoration of the Ohrida Diocese, publication of a newspaper "Macedonian Voice" in Istanbul, opening schools where teachers used the "Macedonian" language, and to have all educational literature printed in the Macedonian dialect. Shortly thereafter Novakovich took up his appointment as Serbian consul in Istanbul, where he met with two members of the Macedonian committee to initiate the plan. Although this was only partially successful, Serbian schools were opened in Macedonia, and books were printed in the Macedonian dialect. The latter were based on increasing Serbian language content as the educational standard increased. However in 1898 when asked with respect to the reprinting of these texts in the Macedonian dialect, Novakovich recommended only the Serbian language should be used - the anticipated attraction of the Macedonian dialect had not eventuated.

The Society of St Sava also offered well-paid scholarships to Macedonians in the hope they could ultimately be turned against the Bulgarian idea. Between 1888 and 1889 quite a number of Macedonians accepted these scholarships and went to Belgrade. They soon became aware of the obvious underlying reasons behind the program however, especially when they were forbidden to possess "Bulgarian" literature. Subsequently some 30 to 40 students left Belgrade to continue their education elsewhere, mostly Sofia. Among that group were some later very well-known figures - Dame Gruev, Petar Pop Arsov and Krste Misirkov. It must be considered more than coincidental that two of the latter individuals (PPA, and especially KM) shortly thereafter proffered views on the Macedonian Question that in essence supported the covert intent of Novakovich's theory. However it was during Novakovich's appointment as consul at St Petersburg that the staunchest and most dogmatic advocate of "Macedonism", Dimitur Chupovski, arose. Again we note that Chupovski and his small group of followers were directly supported by the St Sava Society and had an almost identical agenda to that of the four Macedonians that met with Novakovich in Belgrade during 1886. It did not matter to Novakovich that "Macedonism" was also essentially anti-Serbian, as long as it opposed or slowed the spread of Bulgarian influence within Macedonia.

An important historic issue is the reaction to both Serbian propaganda and Macedonism within Macedonia itself. First, it is known that one of the main reasons for the establishment of IMRO by Dame Gruev in 1893 was to block the spread of Serbian influence into Macedonia, less it hinder the ultimate unification of the Bulgarian people. Thus although IMRO's short-term goal was autonomy, its long-term goal was unification, as had occurred with East Rumelia. There can be no doubt IMRO was a Bulgarian organization, protecting the Bulgarian national interest against the Serbs. Several other organizations also formed within Macedonia (1897) to oppose Serbian propaganda - the Revolutionary Brotherhood and the Charitable Brotherhood - the latter to specifically undermine Serbian schools, a strategy in which it was quite successful. Even earlier (1891), Gyorche Petrov, later a famous IMRO committee member, was so concerned by the obvious Serbian schemes that he spent his time exclusively on ethnographic research in Skopje to ensure the availability of indisputable evidence to support the "Bulgarian" character of the Macedonian population.

As for "Macedonism", the memoirs of Hristo Shaldev which discuss Dimitur Chupovski, plainly show how few adherents this concept had in 1903. We also have to accept that Krste Misirkov only promoted the concept of "Macedonism" when he felt the Bulgarian position in Macedonia was irrevocably lost - as in 1903 after Ilinden (when he wrote "On Macedonian Matters") and after WWI. At all other times he was a staunch advocate of the Bulgarian character of Macedonia. Misirkov's pro-Macedonism arguments were resurrected and re-packaged by the Comintern in 1934 as evidence for a "Macedonian Nation". Novakovich did not live to see the success of the strategy he first devised in the middle 1880s - a plan which undoubtedly has prevented the historic reunion of the Bulgarian people. Dame Gruev and IMRO were correct in their assessment of the danger of Serbian influence.
In his memoirs (finished 18 Aug 1947) Hristo Shaldev speaks for all Macedonian patriots when he writes

"I am saddened that I cannot spend the remaining years of my life in Gumendje, and at the same time I am indignant that the youngest generation of Vardar Macedonia has disavowed both the achievements and self-determination of their fathers, grand-fathers and great-grand-fathers and has been misled by the Serbian theories of Professors Novakovich, Cvijich and Belich."

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

It is ironic that a Serbian ploy would later be used as a platform by "neo-Macedonians" to establish a national character and IMAGINED ethnicity, even though the Vardar region is referred to as STARA SRBIJA (old Serbia) (especially the northern areas of FYROM, more so than the southern). Nevertheless, with deep research and an understanding of the political climate at the time, the evidence becomes astoundingly clear. The suggestion of a separate Macedonian ethnicity becomes more absurd with every piece of documentation that is dug up through the archives. Fortunately, I have materials which I am still translating from Serbian to English which refer to the established notions of "macedonianism" and its purpose which I will post in due course.



Dikigoros1981


**note on IMARO: never forget the "A" when applying the acronym of this organisation. The "A" for Adrianople clearly identifies that the organisation had intentions to annex the Thracian region to a greater bulgarian state. Bulgarian foreign policy has always concentrated on this area. Thus it is interesting that "FYROMIAN" or the "neo-imagined ethnic Macedonians" never incorporate the Thracian regions in their extended maps, when really their chief organisation the IMARO which was later renamed IMRO, a couple of years after the failed Krusevo uprising)

Tsontos
09-20-2006, 09:31 AM
katapliktiko post

Tsontos
12-03-2006, 02:15 AM
The Serb agititations to create a seperate macedonian consciousness can be seen in this map:

Ethnographic map of Macedonia from the point of view of the Serbs:

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2807/balkanethnicgroups19142go0.jpg

note that, cvijich, the well-known serbian proponent of Macedoniansm is cited as the maps 'ethnographer'

Vasiliye
01-02-2007, 10:40 AM
The author of the essays unifies several fragmentory pieces of ideology and presents them like a single continuum.There is no evidence that the "newer" istance of Macedonism were in any way motivated by the older.The authors quotes inconsequential plans and pieces of correspondence and then "establishes" continuity between Serbian ideas of the monarchist era with the partisan ideology.

The idea is debunked by the very fact that nothing "Promacedonian",be it teachers, books, schools, cultural institution was ever established since 1878 all the way up to 1941 in Vardar area.At the very same time, Bulgarian nationalist were parading with the name "Macedonia" in all forms, on every item.

As for the Cvijic map, it talks about "Macedonian Slavs" which means "Slavs of the geographic area of Macedonia" which were in his opinion flotant mass without nationality.It is technical term and not a name of separate nation.

Tsontos
01-02-2007, 06:07 PM
The idea is debunked by the very fact that nothing "Promacedonian",be it teachers, books, schools, cultural institution was ever established since 1878 all the way up to 1941 in Vardar area.At the very same time, Bulgarian nationalist were parading with the name "Macedonia" in all forms, on every item.


That follows though doesnt it Vasiliye? The article says the scheme was a Serb plot to change the tide of events in Macedonia at the expense of the Bulgarians. Once the Serbs were the victors in the second Balkan war it makes sense they would see absolutley no cause to continue any promotion of Macedonism on Serb sovereign land. Partisan ideology can be a different matter.

I agree the nature of the article is disjointed and fails to solidly demonstrate that the Serb government really put its weight behind such a scheme. I do find the evidence he presents interesting though such as:

What Novakovich had produced was a blueprint for "de-Bulgarization" of the Macedonian Slavs by their "Macedonianization", if direct "Serbianization" could not be readily effected. The intent is explicitly confirmed by Novakovich's well known (and quoted) dispatch to the Serbian Minister of Education in 1888

"Since the Bulgarian idea, as it is well known to all, is deeply rooted in Macedonia, I think it is almost impossible to shake it completely by opposing it merely with the Serbian idea. This idea, we fear, would be incapable, as opposition pure and simple, of suppressing the Bulgarian idea. That is why the Serbian idea will need an ally that could stand in direct opposition to the Bulgarianism and would contain in itself the elements which could attract the people and their feelings and thus sever them from Bulgarianism. This ally I see in the Macedonism or to a certain extent in our nursing the Macedonian dialect and Macedonian separatism."

Xiotis
01-05-2007, 02:16 AM
The 1914 Carnegie Commission Report states that the Serbs classified the slavs of Macedonia as a distinct group "Slav-Macedonians" for politcal purposes on page 158 under the heading Servian Macedonia.


A comparison of the ethnographic and linguistic maps drawn up by Messers Kantchev, Tsviyits (Cviyic) and Belits, with the new frontiers of the treaty of Bucharest reveals the gravity of the task undertaken by the Servians. They have not merely resumed possession of their ancient domain, the Sandjak and Novi-Bazar and Old Servia proper (Kosovo Pole and Metchia), despite the fact that this historic domain was strongly Albanian; they have not merely added thereto the tract described by patriotic Servian ethnographers as "Enlarged Old Servia"; over and above all this, their facile generosity impelled them to share with the Greeks the population described on their map as "SLAV- MACEDONIAN" - A EUPHEMISM DESIGNED TO CONCEAL THE EXISTENCE OF BULGARIANS IN MACEDONIA. And their acquisitions under the treaty of Bucharest went beyond their most extravagent pretensions. They took advantage of the Bulgarians' need to conclude peace at any price to deprive them of territories to the east of the Vardar, for example, Chtipe and Radoviche, where BULGARIAN patriotism glowed most vividly and where the sacrifices accepted by BULGARIAN patriots for the sake of freeing Macedonia, had always been exceptionally great. This was adding insult to injury"

This position was bolstered by H. Wilkinson in his excellent 'Maps and Politics' published in 1950. Wilkinson analyzed dozens of international ethnographic studies regarding the region. The following quote from Wilkinson summarizes the conditions that led to the categorization of the slavs of Macedonia as a distinct ethnic group:


THE ORIGIN OF THE IDEA OF THE MACEDO-SLAVS

"The idea that Macedonia might have a future independent of the Bulgarians had already arisen as far back as 1876, when schemes for a "Macedonian Province" had been promoted at the conference of Constantinople, but the idea had not been associated then with any differences between Macedonian Slavs and Bulgarians. AT THAT TIME THE BULGARIAN CHARACTER OF THE SLAVS OF MACEDONIA WENT UNCHALLENGED. IT WAS NOT UNTIL AFTER 1885, WHEN STRAINED RELATIONS BETWEEN BULGARIA AND SERBIA DEVELOPED, THAT THE SERBIAN CLAIMS IN MACEDONIA GAVE RISE TO THE SPECULATION THAT THE SLAVS IN MACEDONIA MIGHT BE DIFFERENT FROM THOSE OF BULGARIA. In 1887, P.D Draganov tentatively put forward this idea in Les Nouvelles Slaves (1887-8) N.S. Zaryanko, the Russian cartographer, by omitting to colour the Slavs of Macedonia in the second edition of his ethnographic map of the Balkans(1890), likewise implied that those Slavs might be either Serbs or Bulgarians. A powerful factor in promoting the separist tendencies had been the very interest which the Balkan nations had evinced in Macedonia. Numerous secret societies began to flourish after 1890. Some were Serbian inspired, others were inspired by Greeks and Bulgarians, but at least one-the Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization (IMRO)established in 1893, with its headquarters in Salonika, was indigenous to Macedonia. It aimed soley at achieving the political independence of Macedonia. Although the chief enemy was regarded to be the Turk, IMRO resented interference on the part of the Greeks, Serbians and even of the Bulgarians. It came into conflict with the purely Bulgarian Macedo Adrianople Organization. In the end IMRO DID BECOME MORE CLOSELY ASSOCIATED WITH THE BULGARIANS, but this only happened when it became increasingly clear that the danger to Macedonian independence came not from Turkey but from Serbia. The Bulgarians themselves were partly responsible for supporting IMRO and the idea of an independent Macedonia, because they believed that such a province would ultimately become part of Bulgaria,precisely in the same manner as Eastern Roumelia had become a part of Bulgaria....Unfortunately for the Bulgarians, CVIJIC [Serbian], SEIZED UPON THE IDEA OF THE "MACEDONIANS" AND GAVE TO WHAT HAD ORIGINALLY BEEN A POLITICAL TAG, AN ETHNIC SIGNIFICANCE."

As a side note: the resident Maknews "scholar" Stefov has the audacity to use the Carnegie Report as a reference to support his theories and takes the liberty of implying that the instances of 'Bulgarians' in the report were really 'Macedonians'. The report clearly does not make this implication! How low will Stefov go to mislead his readers and how low will he go to support his nationalist historiography?!

Tsontos
01-05-2007, 02:23 AM
As a side note: the resident Maknews "scholar" Stefov has the audacity to use the Carnegie Report as a reference to support his theories and takes the liberty of implying that the instances of 'Bulgarians' in the report were really 'Macedonians'. The report clearly does not make this implication! How low will Stefov go to mislead his readers and how low will he go to support his nationalist historiography?!

Just on that point, and the Skop reply which you hear more often these days of "We were called Bulgarians in a religious sense not an ethnic sense, it was because we followed the exarchy"; this excerpt, also from the Carnegie Report flattens such a claim:

Here are the statistics for the Bulgarian-exarchist schools for the same period: there were in Macedonia 1896-97, 843 such schools (against 77 Servian schools), 1,306 teachers (Servian, 118) ; 31,719 scholars (Servian, 2,873); children in the kindergarten, 14,713.

These figures show that at the close of the nineteenth century the overwhelming majority of the Slav population of Macedonia was sending its children to the exarchist Bulgarian school. The school became henceforth an auxiliary of the national movement, and independent of the church


Official Turkish statistics admitted only one principle of discrimination between the ethnic groups dwelling in Macedonia, namely religion. Thus all the Mahomrnedans formed a single group although there might be among them Turks, Albanians, Bulgarian "pomaks," etc.: all the patriarchists in the same way were grouped together as "Greeks," although there might be among them Servians, Wallachians, Bulgarians, etc. Only in the "exarchist" group, did religion coincide, more or less, with Bulgarian nationality.

-Carnegie Endowment for International peace, Commission to Inquire into the causes and conduct of the Balkan wars, published 1914

1.1. The ethnography and national aspirations of the Balkans (http://knigite.abv.bg/en/carnegie/chapter1_1.html)



Sorry to go off topic.

Tsontos
01-24-2007, 04:22 AM
Further indication of the imposition of Macedonism by "outsiders", and the dubbing of the local Bulgarian dialect as "makedonski" can be found in a letter to Prof. Marin Drinov of May 25, 1888 Kuzman Shapkarev writes:


"But even stranger is the name Macedonians, which was imposed on us only 10 to 15 years ago by outsiders, and not as something by our own intellectuals... Yet the people in Macedonia know nothing of that ancient name, reintroduced today with a cunning aim on the one hand and a stupid one on the other. They know the older word: "Bugari", although mispronounced: they have even adopted it as peculiarly theirs, inapplicable to other Bulgarians. You can find more about this in the introduction to the booklets I am sending you. They call their own Macedono-Bulgarian dialect the "Bugarski language", while the rest of the Bulgarian dialects they refer to as the "Shopski language".

(Makedonski pregled, IX, 2, 1934, p. 55; the original letter is kept in the Marin Drinov Museum in Sofia, and it is available for examination and study)


the original In Bulgarian:

"No pochudno e imeto Makedonci, koeto naskoro, edvay predi 10-15 godini, ni
natrapiha i to otvqn, a ne kakto nyakoi mislyat ot samata nasha
inteligenciya... Narodqt obache v Makedoniya ne znae nishto za tova
arhaichesko, a dnes, s lukava cel ot edna strana, s glupeshka ot druga,
podnoveno prozvishte; toy si znae postaroto: Bugari, makar i nepravilno
proiznasyano, daje osvoyava si go kato sobstveno i preimushtestveno svoe,
nejeli za drugite Bqlgari. Za tova shte vidite i v predgovora na izpratenite
mi knijici. Toy naricha Bugarski ezik svoeto Makaedono-bqlgarsko narechie,
kogato drugite bqlgarski narechiya naricha Shopski."

PhiliptheUniterchaeronea
02-02-2007, 10:51 PM
Well done gentlemen. Truly scholarly work.

Alexandros
02-03-2007, 05:23 AM
-> Αποδομώντας τα επιχειρήματα των Σκοπίων: ο αξιότιμος κ. Σβίζιτς (http://www.e-grammes.gr/article.php?id=2262)

Tsontos
02-04-2007, 12:31 AM
A link to the whole chapter from the Carnegie Report of the passage Xiotis posted above can be found here:

4.2 Servian Macedonia (a) (http://knigite.abv.bg/en/carnegie/chapter4_2a.html)

Carnegie Endowment for International peace, 1914
Report ... to inquire into the causes and Conduct of the Balkan Wars

CHAPTER IV
The War and the Nationalities

2. Servian Macedonia (a)

A comparison of the ethnographic and linguistic maps drawn up by Mes-sers Kantchev, Tsviyits (Cviyic) and Belits, with the new frontiers of the treaty of Bucharest reveals the gravity of the task undertaken by the Servians. They have not merely resumed possession of their ancient domain, the Sandjak of Novi-Bazar and Old Servia proper (Kosovo Pole and Metchia), despite the fact that this historic domain was strongly Albanian; they have not merely added thereto the tract described by patriotic Servian ethnographers as "Enlarged Old Servia" fan ancient geographical term which we have seen twice enlarged, once by Mr. Tsviyits and again by Mr. Belits) ; [See chapter I, p. 29.] over and above all this, their facile generosity impelled them to share with the Greeks the population described on their maps as "Slav-Macedonian"—a euphemism designed to conceal the existence of Bulgarians in Macedonia. And their acquisitions under the treaty of Bucharest went beyond their most extravagant pretensions. They took advantage of the Bulgarians' need to conclude peace at any price to deprive them of territories to the east of the Vardar, for example, Chtipe and Radoviche, where Bulgarian patriotism glowed most vividly and where the sacrifices accepted by Bulgarian patriots for the sake of freeing Macedonia, had always been exceptionally great. This was adding insult to injury.

The bold and underlined text refers to this map which I posted on the first page and was part of the 1914 report:

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2807/balkanethnicgroups19142go0.jpg

Tsontos
10-02-2007, 06:58 PM
Serbia & Macedonism (http://mak-truth.com/fe_maced.htm)

Jordan Piperkata
12-31-2007, 01:26 AM
kote Hristov spoke bulgarian and knew nothing or very little greek. if in that book they mention "macedonian" then it is referred to macedonian dialect of bulgarian. as the modern "macedonian" language was created in 1945 by the communists.

So slavicwolf from Ohrid, what is this then? Most probably Serbian propaganda?

Report about the first school discrict to start teaching in macedonian language - 1892 in Kostur


DIMITRIJE BODI TO VLADAN DORDEVICH

20th August 1892

Consulate of the Kingdom of Serbia No. 786 20th August 1892 Bitola


To the Minister of Foreign Affairs, Mr Vladan Dordevic Belgrade

Dear Sir,

I have to inform You, dear Sir, that some intellectualist movement among the local teachers has recently appeared in the town of Kostur, which insists upon rejection of Greek and Bulgarian propaganda, and the introduction of the Macedonian dialect as the language of teaching in the schools. This initiative has in fact been started, Sir, by several town teachers hostile to Hellenism and Bulgarianism, due to their policies concerning education, and especially due to the discrimination of the local teaching staff.

I was particularly intrigued by these events, since "where two are quarrelling, the third profits," so that I found out through my confidential agents on the spot that there had ben a secret meeting of six teachers, They decided to propose to the local Church and school community that the vernacular be introduced in the town school instead of Bulgarian.

If You are interested in these matters, Sir, please answer me with a ciphered telegram.

Dimitrije Bodi




DIMITRIJE BODI TO VLADAN DORDEVICH

26th August 1892

Consulate of the Kingdom of Serbia 26th August 1892 Bitola

To the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Belgrade

In connection with Your telegram of 24th August this year, it is my honour to let you know that I have taken steps for providing closer information concerning the events in Kostur. According to my humble opinion, Sir, what has been happening in this town could have far-reaching consequences for our cause in this region, where we have so far had little success indeed. For the time being, it is essential for us to suppress foreign propaganda, and later it will be an easy job. It is sufficient for us to find a priest and a few people, and the job is done. l have heard from my own people that the local community at its meeting of 22nd August this year, decided that the teaching in the new 1892/1893 school year should be done in the Macedonian dialect. The town teachers were even given the task of working a programme for the language teaching and a provisional grammar of the Macedonian dialect. If the teaching in the town school should prove to be successful, then after the autumn semester it will also be spread to the neighbouring villages of Mavrovo, Licista, Tiholista and Sestovo. A commission of three teachers was charged with begining the work and it has already been meeting in the Economy boarding-school.

This is the latest news for the time being, Sir, as regards the movement in Kostur. As soon as I hear other news, I shall report it immediately to You. Please receive on this occasion as well my deepest respect,

Dimitrije Bodi






DIMITRIJE BODI TO THE MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS

1st September 1892

Consulate of the Kingdom of Serbia No. 791 Belgrade lst September 1892 Bitola

To the Ministry of Foreign Affairs Belgrade

Dear Sir,

I informed You in my letter of 26th August, this year, about the news concerning the action for introducing the Macedonian dialect into the town school in Kostur. Having the importance of this question in mind, I committed myself fully to it. I sent a man from the Consulate to Kostur, who, after his one-day stay informed me that the Commission for the establishment of a Macedonian literary language, which would be the language of instruction in the town school in Kostur, had already for some time had attheir disposal quite a large amount of material for creating a Macedonian grammar and Macedonian dictionary. Yet, even at their first meeting, the Commission encountered huge difficulties in supplementing the vernacular with words it does not possess. Our man, who met the members of the Commission, acted cleverly and advised them to fill the gaps in the Macedonian vocabulary with words from the Serbian literary language. The members of the Commission did not reject the suggestion, although they did not accept it etiher, saying that they would consult the church-school community. If we promised aid to the Community for the printing of the dictionary and the grammar, Sir, I hope they would accept our linguistic assistance. And not only that. They would agree to replace the other Bulgarian textbooks with Serbian ones. If you approve my step, Sir, please give me more extensive instructions.

Please accept, Your Excellency, expressions of my deepest respect.

Dimitrije Bodi