Greek minority in Albania clashes with Police

[masolord]

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/820/53/

that it ,the same way albos depand thier minorty rights in neighbouring country , we should do the exactly the same thing in albania.greek polticans are stupid for not blocking albania in Nato.

[Prespa]

Himariots are simply brainwashed Albanians who originated from Kruja

[Tsontos]

Himariots are simply brainwashed Albanians who originated from Kruja

Every single human being from Heimarra is an Albanian from Kruja?

[gmellos]

Every single human being from Heimarra is an Albanian from Kruja?

Come on you should that there is ONLY Albanians in Albania :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[TirAlb]

Indeed they are not all from Kruja,they are also from other catholic northern regions like Mirdita ,and from the nearby areas of Laberia (Bollanos family is among the last ones,originated in Progonat).Indeed Himara is just a part of Laberia,same dialect,same music same customs,same everything except for the greek flags Himariots like to wave recently.But its not their foult they are poor and ignorants,and this is a way to escape from they inferiority complexes.Indeed is funny looking in the TV those typical Albanian-peasant type faces shouting anti-albanian slogans and acting like proud hellenes.

[Tsontos]

Tiralb the same music and same albanian peasant faces? This is your thesis on why all those self-declaring Greeks arent Greeks but Albanians? get real.

I didnt know that in the Balkans music runs along ethnic lines.:rolleyes:

No matter how many foreign sources, historical and contemporary, describing the Greek language and ethnicity of a portion of the population in Southern Albania for you and other Alb nationalists it will always just only because they are Orthodox.

[TirAlb]

Tiralb the same music and same albanian peasant faces? This is your thesis on why all those self-declaring Greeks arent Greeks but Albanians? get real.

I didnt know that in the Balkans music runs along ethnic lines.:rolleyes:

No matter how many foreign sources, historical and contemporary, describing the Greek language and ethnicity of a portion of the population in Southern Albania for you and other Alb nationalists it will always just only because they are Orthodox.

I said the reasons in the above post,ignorance,poverty inferiority complex,and 300 euro per capita that your goverment monthly delivers them.
I guess you don't know the Albanian polifonic music,its not typical Balkanian but just Albanian.Himariots sings that way,though recently they started to translate this songs in greek.
Tsontos Epirus was a mixed region and its center of gravity was fare more south then southern Albania,so that part was quite homogenous.

[olvios]

The Music is not unique "Albanian"...:rolleyes:

1. ^ Engendering Song: Singing and Subjectivity at Prespa by Jane C. Sugarman,1997,ISBN 0226779726,page 356,"Neither of the polyphonic textures characteristic of south Albanian singing is unique to Albanians.The style is shared with Greeks in the Northwestern district of Epirus (see Fakiou and Romanos 1984) while the Tosk style is common among Aromanian communities from the Kolonje region of Albania the so called Faserotii (see Lortat-Jacob and Bouet 1983) and among Slavs of the Kastoria region of Northern Greece (see N.Kaufamann 1959 ).Macedonians in the lower villages of the Prespa district also formerly sang this style "
2. ^ Engendering Song: Singing and Subjectivity at Prespa by Jane C. Sugarman,1997,ISBN 0226779726,page 356,A striking counterpart from outside the Balkans is the polyphonic Yodeling of juuzli from the Muotatal region of Switzerland
3. ^ Notes from the Balkans: Locating Marginality and Ambiguity on the Greek-Albanian Border,2005,ISBN-10: 0691121990,page Back matter ,"... the appropriate manner(Adkins 2002; Adkins and Lury 1999; Skeggs 1997). 16. Theodosiou (2003); Nitsiakos and Mantzos (2003) note that polyphonic singing has become one of those traditions that is argued about by nationalist folklorists on both sides of the border, .."
4. ^ Greek Folk Dances by Rickey Holden, Mary Vouras - 1965 - ,page 10,"The tonal variations produced on this instrument by Greek musicians, particularly in the music of Epirus"
5. ^ World Music: The Rough Guide by Simon Broughton, Mark Ellingham - 1999 - ISBN 1858286352,page 149,"The city of Ioannina in Epirus has long been an important centre of this style"
6. ^ World Music: The Rough Guide by Simon Broughton, Mark Ellingham - 1999 - ISBN 1858286352,page 5,"south of Gjirokastër, has a sizeable ethnic Greek population, and their music is related to the music of Epirus,"
7. ^ World Music: The Rough Guide by Simon Broughton, Mark Ellingham - 1999 - ISBN 1858286352,page 127 ,"The folk music ot Epirus (//игл.) exhibits strong connections with that of northern Epirus (now in Albania)"
8. ^ World Music: The Rough Guide by Simon Broughton, Mark Ellingham - 1999 - ISBN 1858286352,page 127,"The repertoire tends to fall into three categories which are also found further south mirologya or laments (the instrumental counterpart is called skaros); drinking songs or tis tavlas ;and various dancable melodies as noted above common to the entire mainland and the islands also"

[TirAlb]

olvios can you post some videos of greeks singing this way.I mean Greeks not Himariots.

[olvios]

This isn't sing song thread but you can see that that music and is even found in Switzerland.

[TirAlb]

The Albanian polyphony,is different from any other polyphony.

[olvios]

The Music is not unique "Albanian"...:rolleyes:

1. ^ Engendering Song: Singing and Subjectivity at Prespa by Jane C. Sugarman,1997,ISBN 0226779726,page 356,"Neither of the polyphonic textures characteristic of south Albanian singing is unique to Albanians.The style is shared with Greeks in the Northwestern district of Epirus (see Fakiou and Romanos 1984) while the Tosk style is common among Aromanian communities from the Kolonje region of Albania the so called Faserotii (see Lortat-Jacob and Bouet 1983) and among Slavs of the Kastoria region of Northern Greece (see N.Kaufamann 1959 ).Macedonians in the lower villages of the Prespa district also formerly sang this style "
2. ^ Engendering Song: Singing and Subjectivity at Prespa by Jane C. Sugarman,1997,ISBN 0226779726,page 356,A striking counterpart from outside the Balkans is the polyphonic Yodeling of juuzli from the Muotatal region of Switzerland
3. ^ Notes from the Balkans: Locating Marginality and Ambiguity on the Greek-Albanian Border,2005,ISBN-10: 0691121990,page Back matter ,"... the appropriate manner(Adkins 2002; Adkins and Lury 1999; Skeggs 1997). 16. Theodosiou (2003); Nitsiakos and Mantzos (2003) note that polyphonic singing has become one of those traditions that is argued about by nationalist folklorists on both sides of the border, .."
4. ^ Greek Folk Dances by Rickey Holden, Mary Vouras - 1965 - ,page 10,"The tonal variations produced on this instrument by Greek musicians, particularly in the music of Epirus"
5. ^ World Music: The Rough Guide by Simon Broughton, Mark Ellingham - 1999 - ISBN 1858286352,page 149,"The city of Ioannina in Epirus has long been an important centre of this style"
6. ^ World Music: The Rough Guide by Simon Broughton, Mark Ellingham - 1999 - ISBN 1858286352,page 5,"south of Gjirokastër, has a sizeable ethnic Greek population, and their music is related to the music of Epirus,"
7. ^ World Music: The Rough Guide by Simon Broughton, Mark Ellingham - 1999 - ISBN 1858286352,page 127 ,"The folk music ot Epirus (//игл.) exhibits strong connections with that of northern Epirus (now in Albania)"
8. ^ World Music: The Rough Guide by Simon Broughton, Mark Ellingham - 1999 - ISBN 1858286352,page 127,"The repertoire tends to fall into three categories which are also found further south mirologya or laments (the instrumental counterpart is called skaros); drinking songs or tis tavlas ;and various dancable melodies as noted above common to the entire mainland and the islands also"

I hope your reading skills are n't:rolleyes:

[TirAlb]

Safeguarding Albanian Folk Iso-Polyphony, a UNESCO masterpiece of the Oral and Intangible Cultural Heritage of Humanity”
UNESCO-BRESCE is implementing the Project entitled “Safeguarding of Albanian Folk Iso-Polyphony”. This cultural expression was proclaimed Masterpiece of the Oral and Intangible Heritage of Humanity by UNESCO in 2005. This project is financed under the UNESCO/Japan Funds-in-Trust for the Preservation and Promotion of the Intangible Cultural Heritage .



Folk Iso-Polyphony is a form of traditional music of Albania. Most of the villages and towns have an iso-polyphony band. “Iso” refers to the drone accompanying the singing. Rendered principally by male singers, it is performed during social events (weddings, harvest feast, funerals, religious celebrations, festivals, etc.). It is practised in the south of Albania and is typical for two large areas: Toskeria and Labëria. If both Tosk and Lab polyphonic songs include ballads, historic songs, lyrical songs, etc, they perform the drone differently. The Tosks perform the drone continuously and sung on the syllable “e”, while the Labs sometimes sing the drone as a rhythmic tone. Traditionally, iso-polyphony in the southern part of Albania has been transmitted form parents to children, but large-scale migrations due to economic hardship have caused the discontinuation of this mode of transmission. The development of cultural tourism, as well us the interest of researchers, have contributed to a certain revival of the tradition, but measures need to be taken to support the promotion and revitalisation of Albanian i so-polyphony.

The Albanian folk Iso-polyphony was proclaimed in 2005, a Masterpiece of the Oral and Intangible Heritage of Humanity Following this important recognition, the Government of Japan, under the UNESCO/Japan Funds-in-Trust for the Preservation and Promotion of the Intangible Cultural Heritage, has decided to finance a project aiming to facilitate the safeguarding of this unique multi-voice tradition, focusing especially on its transmission of to the younger generation. This project, based on the Action Plan elaborated by the Albanian Music Council, the Ministry of Culture and the Albanian National Commission for UNESCO and accompanying the Albanian candidature file to the Proclamation will be implemented by the Albanian Music Council, member of IMC/UNESCO, with the assistance of the Culture Section of the UNESCO-BRESCE. The objectives of this twenty-eight-month Project (December 2006 – March 2009) are to reinforce the national and local capacity for safeguarding this music, and encourage the transmission of iso-polyphony by adapting the traditional mode of transmission to modern realities.

Photo credit : Traditional Albanian polyphonic musician
©UNESCO


http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=38906&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

Also note that the Lab,Himariots included,polyphony is different from the rest of south Albania.Indeed i never heard that about swiss,but i know that in Sardegna they sing in a similar,but at the same time totaly different way.

You can compare the songs by your own:

Sardegna

Albania

Btw i already know your reply.Probably you will post again those "quotes" like you always do,beause useing your own logic unfourtunately its not a habit you have.

[olvios]

Not unique in Albania and variants exists in other places too just like sources say.

You have no logic once more and that is no surprise.

[TirAlb]

The Albanian variant is unique!;)...and again can you post some Greek variants?

[olvios]

The Albanian variant is unique!;)...and again can you post some Greek variants?

We are out of topic and this is more then enough.Music is nice but its for youtube not here.;)

Engendering Song: Singing and Subjectivity at Prespa by Jane C. Sugarman,1997,ISBN 0226779726,page 356,"Neither of the polyphonic textures characteristic of south Albanian singing is unique to Albanians.The style is shared with Greeks in the Northwestern district of Epirus (see Fakiou and Romanos 1984) while the Tosk style is common among Aromanian communities from the Kolonje region of Albania the so called Faserotii (see Lortat-Jacob and Bouet 1983) and among Slavs of the Kastoria region of Northern Greece (see N.Kaufamann 1959 ).Macedonians in the lower villages of the Prespa district also formerly sang this style "

[TirAlb]

...quote us some of this songs then,if you don't like utube,find another way.

[olvios]

...quote us some of this songs then,if you don't like utube,find another way.

I gather you can read the sources on the subject this isn't ":dry:american idol".(also someone cut this into a new thread)

[TirAlb]

However the way Himariots sing,that is typical Albanian,is quite irrelevant in comparison to the fact that they always did it in Albanian language.