The book that should not exist, Macedonian-Greek lexicon, 1907!

[Jordan Piperkata]

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What is this???

[akritas]

Is not lexicon as Olympias and Syggros explained you in makbourda forum. :)

[Truth Bearer]

This book tries to say that your language is a Greek dialect piperaki do you agree?

[Jordan Piperkata]

Is not lexicon as Olympias and Syggros explained you in makbourda forum. :)

I know what the book is, they do not own the book, I do.

[Jordan Piperkata]

This book tries to say that your language is a Greek dialect piperaki do you agree?

Tsioulkas makes a connection between the language of the Ancients and the language spoken in Macedonia, the conclusion he comes to is that it is most likely the same language.

Thus we never came from anywhere, we were allways here.

The language is called thruout the book MAKEDONIKI, MACEDONIAN in English, and this he made in 1907......... 101 years ago.

[Truth Bearer]

But if yr slavic language is actually a Greek dialect then that tells me you are a Greek?
How can that be sir?Do you agree?I don't care what Tsioulkas say as he believed that the whole balkan people were of Greek origin.Have you ever bothered to investigate deeper you will find that his claims that the whole of Europe is of Greek origin are you aware of that Piperraki?Now back to the question is your LANGUAGE a GREEK DIALECT?

[Petros Houhoulis]

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What is this???

This is nonsense Jordan. If you wanted to find Macedonian script, look at this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pella_curse_tablet

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/Pellatab.jpg

Now you can go and write a dictionary of Macedonian and Slovene, based on that ancient piece of Macedonian language...

[Truth Bearer]

So Piperkata the book tries to prove that you are a Grkman do you believe this?Have you bothered to read this book mate?Or are you going to crawl under a rock again hiding just like those simple goatherding forefathers of yours?

[Petros Houhoulis]

Tsioulkas makes a connection between the language of the Ancients and the language spoken in Macedonia, the conclusion he comes to is that it is most likely the same language.

Thus we never came from anywhere, we were allways here.

The language is called thruout the book MAKEDONIKI, MACEDONIAN in English, and this he made in 1907......... 101 years ago.

We actually know what the Ancient Macedonian language looks like nowadays, we didn't know that 101 years ago.

Still, no serious archaeologist or historian of the past of the present makes any connection between you and the Ancient Macedonians, and Tsioulkas, whoever he might have been, is not a specialist in Ancient Macedonia, to the point that more recent researchers (of all fields) IGNORE his very existence. I've never seen Hammond, Borza or Badian even mentioning his name, as they do for the likes of Ulrich Wilcken...

[Truth Bearer]

Petros Tsioulkas claimed that the ntopia dialect spoken in Macedonia was not a Bulgarian one but a Greek dialect.The hardcore Greek nationalists(Xrysi Avgi or Golden Dawn) use Tsioulkas a a reference for PanHellenism.

[Truth Bearer]

And like a typical skopjian pipraki goes into his usual hiding spot down below in the dungeon humiliated yet again for posting a book that promotes a Pan Hellenic ideology.Piperaki you little Grkman where are u hiding down there come up and confront yr demons you confused skopjian.

[Istor]

Ntopia (Slavic dialect) has many Greek words and expressions. Some of them are really old: "sho prais"?? = ti pratteis = how do you do ?

But, ntopia is not a Greek dialect. The book is propagandistic, for obvious reasons.

[Draco]

That book is clearly about bilingual Greeks, not some mysterious Macedonian ethnicity.

[Ptolemy]

Tsioulkas makes a connection between the language of the Ancients and the language spoken in Macedonia, the conclusion he comes to is that it is most likely the same language.


Note how these miserable propagandists try to manipulate the claims of Tsioulkas!!! They provide a source while they havent got a single clue even what the book is talking about.

Tsioulkas makes a connection between the Greek language and the "slavic-like" idiom, as he names it, not with ancient Macedonian as much as you wished for.

In fact the one who initially told you about this book, missed to inform you that Tsioulkas makes a small reference in ancient Macedonian language where he accepts the views of Hatzidakis and Otto Hoffmann, that is ancient Macedonian being a Greek dialect!!!

[Drama]

This is the translation of cover:

Instructions, Tipp-off
for the

Bi-linguality of the Macedonians

comparison of:

Slavophonic Macedonian language
to
Hellenic language

from (author)

Mrs. I. Tsioulka

Former head teacher ( Greek Gymnasium) of Monastiri (today Bitola)

And Piperkata... I was free for having a look on your photobucket... and between aaaaaaaall these nice maps of united makedonija I've found something very very interesting... ;)

In this book page number three or four.. with the title prologue you find this:

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Translated:

I am very disappointed about other "brainy" Macedonians, who do not help/participate on the Macedonian (issue or question)... Not even the last Macedonian (on earth) would bring up the love for our land...(he feels that)
I am hurt.. and for this reason I will publish examples which show that the language spoken in Macedonia is Greek and not a Slavic, like the Bulgarians claim..


(ps: sorry for the bad english :p)

[Sniper]

Good point.

[makedon]

Books like that are important, it is someones perspective,
Monastiri had a very sizable real Bulgarian population,
and even real Bulgarian schools, the surrounding countryside
did not for the most part, look at old map I had here,
the "slavic idiom" changes from village to village,
and the farther out you go the greater the differences.

The setting needs to be taken into account.
That was 100 years ago.

There are more up to date books I have read, articles, essays,
published in Institute of Balkan Studies, I have no links,
even forgot authors name, I believe it is Andrianopoulos ?
Or something like that.

[akritas]

I know what the book is, they do not own the book, I do.
Then if you know it why put again the same falsificated title ?

Note how these miserable propagandists try to manipulate the claims of Tsioulkas!!! They provide a source while they havent got a single clue even what the book is talking about.

Tsioulkas makes a connection between the Greek language and the "slavic-like" idiom, as he names it, not with ancient Macedonian as much as you wished for.

In fact the one who initially told you about this book, missed to inform you that Tsioulkas makes a small reference in ancient Macedonian language where he accepts the views of Hatzidakis and Otto Hoffmann, that is ancient Macedonian being a Greek dialect!!!
Well put Ptolemy. Reminds me the case of the book with the name A prophecy of Alexander the Great, by Atanas Makedonec 1845 (http://www.maknews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3966), that published from the Greeks in 1905 in order to explain to the Slavphones that Alexander was.... Greek. But the Skopjan Propagandists remain in theirs brainwash line.

[Sniper]

Well put Ptolemy. Reminds me the case of the book with the name prophecy of Alexander the Great, by Atanas Makedonec 1845[/COLOR][/B][/URL], that published from the Greeks in 1905 in order to explain to the Slavphones that Alexander was.... Greek. But the Skopjan Propagandists remain in theirs brainwash line.

can you post a quote from that book so we can make up our minds?in case you have it..

[akritas]

can you post a quote from that book so we can make up our minds?in case you have it..
I dont have it but if you read the memories of Nikolaides (president of the Macedonian Organization in Thessalonike in that era) you will find the history of the Golem Alexander. The book is on Greek (Αθανασίος Σουλιώτης-Νικολαϊδης, Ο Μακεδονικός Αγών)

[Tsontos]

Tsioulkas makes a connection between the language of the Ancients and the language spoken in Macedonia, the conclusion he comes to is that it is most likely the same language.

Thus we never came from anywhere, we were allways here.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

Dont you love piperkata? All of a sudden he has Tsioulkas as his favourite historian!!! He uses his work as proof that ethnic makedonski existed not only in the 19th century but that they have continuously been ethnic makedonski since antiquity hahaha

Remember when Roberts was his favourite historian, and then......he wasnt and he began to attack his credibility as a source? LOL


To piperkata, history isnt about truth. Books arent about knowledge (in this respect he is much like Tsioulkas for example). Its about how he can best make posts on macedoniaontheweb and convince himself that his fairytale can become a reality!!!

[Tsontos]

Anyway Jordan we have been through this before. There were basically two competing nations in Macedonia at the end of the 19th century: Greeks and Bulgarians. Greeks nationalists would go around claiming the Bulgarian spoken by those loyal to the Hellenism (Grkomani as you call them) and to Bulgarianism spoke dialect of Greek.

In many ways they were only following the Serb lead of people like Novakovic who invented the whole "Macedonian" langauge thing so as to advance Serb interests at the expense of Bulgarian.

[Morphesau]

Tsioulkas makes a connection between the language of the Ancients and the language spoken in Macedonia, the conclusion he comes to is that it is most likely the same language.

Thus we never came from anywhere, we were allways here.



Should I say it again Pipiii you got pawned again and again :rolleyes:

I’m very disappointed in your pseudo propagandas. :angry:

[kostas68]

This is nonsense Jordan. If you wanted to find Macedonian script, look at this:



Now you can go and write a dictionary of Macedonian and Slovene, based on that ancient piece of Macedonian language...

Excellent,Petro!:clap2::clap2::clap2::clapping::cl apping:You made him swallow his tongue(na katapiei ti glossa tou),as we say in greek!I think that with the detection of this tablet in Pella,all those who claim that ancient Macedonians weren't Greeks must shut up.But the Bulgaroscopians wouldn't do that,even if God himself assured them that Macedonians are Greeks.

[Jordan Piperkata]

Drama the correct title of the book in English is "CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE BILINGUISM OF MACEDONIANS THROUGH THE COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS BETWEEN THE SLAVIC-LIKE MACEDONIAN AND GREEK LANGUAGES".


The matter on hand is that a Greek scholar in 1907 identified a Slavic-appearing language in Macedonia, which he called Macedonian and it was spoken by the Macedonians. Thus he identified a peoople and the language they spoke.

He comes to the conclusion that this language has connections to Greek and it could be a dialect of it. He further makes a connection to the Ancient languages spoken in Macedonia.

[Victor]

Drama the correct title of the book in English is "CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE BILINGUISM OF MACEDONIANS THROUGH THE COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS BETWEEN THE SLAVIC-LIKE MACEDONIAN AND GREEK LANGUAGES".


The matter on hand is that a Greek scholar in 1907 identified a Slavic-appearing language in Macedonia, which he called Macedonian and it was spoken by the Macedonians. Thus he identified a peoople and the language they spoke.

He comes to the conclusion that this language has connections to Greek and it could be a dialect of it. He further makes a connection to the Ancient languages spoken in Macedonia.The matter AT hand is that he was advancing this bogus language theory(that the Slavic spoken in Macedonia was closely related to Greek) to argue that these people were really all Greeks.IT was also a counter to the prevailing Bulgarian propaganda.
Ive been hearing this baloney for 40 years(but its todays news to Jordan the master researcher:rolleyes:) and I have a couple of relatives who still believe this theory.Obviously JOrdan has now become a fanatical Gerkoman.

[Amyntas]

Obviously JOrdan has now become a fanatical Gerkoman.

Unbelieveable, first we find out that mr. Maknuts is a serboman and now mr. Piperaki a grekoman :rolleyes::p

Those poor fellows, how much must they hate themselves lol