akritas
03-15-2006, 09:51 AM
Here is the response in the halftrouth comments of FYROMian Ambassador in the USA Mr Dimitrov by Professor Marcus Alexander Templar
http://www.umdiaspora.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=65&Itemid=51
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7979/thebalkanvilayetsoftheottomane.jpg
Major M. Nasrullah, Senior Captain M. Rüşdü, First Lieutenant M. Eşref; Osmanlı Atlası XX. Yüzyıl Başları; Osmanlı Araştırmaları Vakfı; İstanbul 2003; ISBN 975-7268-34-8
At the end they present the map of the present-day FYROM as the map of “ancient Macedonia,” an ancient Macedonia that NEVER existed. It is “their” version of Macedonia. Fifty years under the communist rule taught them to revise their history as it suits them.
On the other hand, the Greek maps display Macedonia in any website and any book, present only the Macedonian part of Greece, as Macedonia. Only historical maps show some parts that belong to The FYROM, as part of Lyngistis, Pelagonia, and the Macedonian Paeonia[1] (http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/newthread.php#_ftn1). It is therefore evident that these maps demonstrate in a subtle, but clear manner that The FYROM Slavs do not recognize Hellenic sovereignty over the Greek part of Macedonia, Macedonia Proper; this is the reason they insist on calling it Aegean Macedonia and not Greek or Hellenic Macedonia. It also violates the Interim Agreement signed by both Greece and The FYROM and the Constitution of The FYROM itself – amendment replacing and clarifying article 49 of the said Constitution. The dream and the goal of The FYROM Slavs are the incorporation of the Hellenic part of Macedonia into their newly independent country with the city of Thessaloniki as the first prize.
This goal began in the 1800’s and not by the Slavs of The FYROM, but by a Bulgarian, aspiring to make the Bulgarian dream come true. This dream began with Georgi Stoykov Popovich or better known as Georgi Sava Rakovski of Kotel, Bulgaria, who dedicated his life for the liberation of geographic Macedonia for the Bulgarians.
On August 2-3 every year since its establishment, The FYROM celebrates the establishment of the ephemeral Krushevo Republic, a “republic” that started by Bulgarians and victimized the Greeks of the area of the villages of Krushevo. The Manifesto of Krushevo treated the term Macedonia geographically, calling for all Macedonians “regardless of faith, nationality, sex or conviction, not being able to endure any more the tyranny of bloodthirsty converts” to rise up against the Ottomans. For the first time in history Tito named his Slavs of the People’s Republic of Macedonia, “Macedonians” Stalin’s suggestion, and only recently, the self-proclaimed “Macedonian” Patriotic Organization, admitted they are actually Slavs[2] (http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/newthread.php#_ftn2). Of course, he simultaneously declared his ignorance about the origin of the alphabet of his own old country.
The view that when the territories of Macedonia were divided into three areas, awarding Greece 51.57%, Serbia 38.32% and Bulgaria 10.11% of the total Macedonian territory, is based on erroneous discernment, which leads to miscalculations. These percentages are incorrect because they correspond to the area of Greek Macedonia (34,603 km2) and Bulgarian Macedonia (6,789 km2), but not to the actual section of the former Serbian Macedonia.
The territory of the present day FYROM (25,713 km2) was not totally part of Serbian Macedonia. Namely, the calculations mentioned in the previous paragraph refer to the republic[3] (http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/newthread.php#_ftn3) when it was formed after the WWII, disregarding the fact that Serbian territories merged with Serbian Macedonia in order to create the new “People’s Republic of Macedonia.”[4] (http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/newthread.php#_ftn4) There is no reference of “Macedonia” in the Treaty of Bucharest, because Macedonia did not exist, and thusly the Treaty divided the Vilayets of Selanik and Manastır of the Ottoman Empire.
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[1] (http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/newthread.php#_ftnref1) See Templar, [I]Fallacies and Facts, 2003, map The Macedonian Homeland.
[2] (http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/newthread.php#_ftnref2) “The Macedonians are Slavs” Chris Evanoff, MPO President, 17 July 2002 – Letter to the Governor of Illinois. “Today the Macedonian alphabet and language are Slavic and differ completely from the Greek alphabet and language” Chris Evanoff, MPO President, 23 July 2002 – Letter to the Governor of Illinois.
[3] (http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/newthread.php#_ftnref3) “People’s Republic of Macedonia” and in April 7, 1963 “Socialist Republic of Macedonia.”
[4] (http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/newthread.php#_ftnref4) From personal experience: Skopje, i.e. belonged to Serbia and its inhabitants used to speak “old Serbian.”
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http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7105/originalphotographicfacsimile4.png
(http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/newthread.php#_ednref1)[i] (http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/newthread.php#_ednref1) Text of “The Manifesto of the Krushevo Republic August 2nd-3rd, 1903”
Fellow compatriots and dear neighbors!
We, your perennial neighbors, friends and acquaintances from beautiful Krushevo and its pretty villages, regardless of faith, nationality, sex or conviction, not being able to endure any more the tyranny of bloodthirsty converts who hunger for human flesh, who would like to lead both you and us to slaughter, to reduce both you and us to poverty, and to turn our dear and wealthy land of Macedonia into a wasteland, we have today raised our heads and decided to defend ourselves with rifles in our hands from our and your enemies, and obtain freedom. You know very well that we are not evil and you understand that it is trouble that made us risk our lives, so that we might begin living like human beings or die like heroes! In addition, because since the times of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers we have lived together like brothers of this land, we consider you as our own, and would like it to remain the same forever. We have not raised our rifles against you - it would be shameful for us to do so; we have not raised against the peaceful diligent and honest Turkish people who, like ourselves, earn their living through sweat full of blood - they are our brothers with whom we have always lived and would like to live again; we have not risen to slaughter and plunder, to set fire and steal - we have had enough of countless feudal lords pillaging and plundering our poor and blood-stained Macedonia; we have not risen to convert to Christianity and disgrace your mothers and sisters, wives and daughters; you should know that your property, your lives, your faith and your honor are as dear to us as our own. Alas, we have taken up arms only to protect our property, our lives, our faith and our honor. We are not converts of our own land that has given birth to us, we are not robbers and plunderers, but revolutionaries sworn to die for justice and freedom; we rebel against tyranny and against slavery; we are fighting and will fight against converts, against robbers, against oppressors and plunderers, against soiling our honor and faith and against those who benefit from our sweat and exploit our labor. Do not be afraid of us and of our villages - we shall not harm anyone. Not only do we consider you as our brothers, but we also feel sorry for you as our brothers, since we understand that you are slaves like ourselves, slaves of the Sultan and of his appointed rulers, masters and governors, slaves of the rich and powerful, slaves of tyrants and oppressors, who have set fire to the empire from all four sides and have made us rise up for justice, for freedom and for human life. We invite you, too, to join us in our struggle for justice, freedom and human life! Come, Moslem brothers, let us together go against your and our enemies! Come under the banner of "Autonomous Macedonia"! Macedonia is the mother of us all and she calls on us for help. Let us break the chains of slavery, free ourselves from suffering and pain, and dry the rivers of blood and tears! Join us, brothers, let us fuse our souls and hearts and save ourselves, so that we and our children and our children's children might live in peace, work calmly and make progress!
Dear neighbors!
We understand that you as Turks, Albanians and Moslems might think that the empire is yours and that you are not slaves since there is no cross on the imperial flag but a star and a crescent. You will soon see and understand that this is not so and that you are wrong. Nevertheless, if your honor does not allow you to join us and declare yourselves against the Sultan's tyranny, we, your brothers in suffering and of the same homeland, shall do you no harm and shall not hate you. We will fight alone both for you and us, and if necessary, we will fight to the last man under the banner for your freedom and ours, for your justice and ours. "Liberty or Death" is written on our foreheads and on our bloodstained banner. We have already raised that banner and there is no way back. If you consider us as your brothers, too, if you wish us well, if you intend to live with us again as you have lived up to now, and if you are faithful and worthy sons of our mother Macedonia, you could help us in one way at least - and it would be a great help indeed - do not make partners of the enemy, do not raise guns against us and do not oppress the Christian villages!
May God bless our holy struggle for justice and freedom!
Long live the fighters for freedom and all honest and good Macedonian sons!
Hurrah! For "Autonomous Macedonia!"
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[5] Turkish for Iron Gate; Demir Kapija, The FYROM
[6] The Ottoman State (Osmanlı Devleti) for reasons of modernization proclaimed Ottoman Empire (Osmanlı İmparatorluğu)
[7]Самуилов натпис, 993. г, И. Гошев, Старобългарски глаголически и кирилски надписи от IX и X в. София, 1961
http://www.umdiaspora.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=65&Itemid=51
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7979/thebalkanvilayetsoftheottomane.jpg
Major M. Nasrullah, Senior Captain M. Rüşdü, First Lieutenant M. Eşref; Osmanlı Atlası XX. Yüzyıl Başları; Osmanlı Araştırmaları Vakfı; İstanbul 2003; ISBN 975-7268-34-8
At the end they present the map of the present-day FYROM as the map of “ancient Macedonia,” an ancient Macedonia that NEVER existed. It is “their” version of Macedonia. Fifty years under the communist rule taught them to revise their history as it suits them.
On the other hand, the Greek maps display Macedonia in any website and any book, present only the Macedonian part of Greece, as Macedonia. Only historical maps show some parts that belong to The FYROM, as part of Lyngistis, Pelagonia, and the Macedonian Paeonia[1] (http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/newthread.php#_ftn1). It is therefore evident that these maps demonstrate in a subtle, but clear manner that The FYROM Slavs do not recognize Hellenic sovereignty over the Greek part of Macedonia, Macedonia Proper; this is the reason they insist on calling it Aegean Macedonia and not Greek or Hellenic Macedonia. It also violates the Interim Agreement signed by both Greece and The FYROM and the Constitution of The FYROM itself – amendment replacing and clarifying article 49 of the said Constitution. The dream and the goal of The FYROM Slavs are the incorporation of the Hellenic part of Macedonia into their newly independent country with the city of Thessaloniki as the first prize.
This goal began in the 1800’s and not by the Slavs of The FYROM, but by a Bulgarian, aspiring to make the Bulgarian dream come true. This dream began with Georgi Stoykov Popovich or better known as Georgi Sava Rakovski of Kotel, Bulgaria, who dedicated his life for the liberation of geographic Macedonia for the Bulgarians.
On August 2-3 every year since its establishment, The FYROM celebrates the establishment of the ephemeral Krushevo Republic, a “republic” that started by Bulgarians and victimized the Greeks of the area of the villages of Krushevo. The Manifesto of Krushevo treated the term Macedonia geographically, calling for all Macedonians “regardless of faith, nationality, sex or conviction, not being able to endure any more the tyranny of bloodthirsty converts” to rise up against the Ottomans. For the first time in history Tito named his Slavs of the People’s Republic of Macedonia, “Macedonians” Stalin’s suggestion, and only recently, the self-proclaimed “Macedonian” Patriotic Organization, admitted they are actually Slavs[2] (http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/newthread.php#_ftn2). Of course, he simultaneously declared his ignorance about the origin of the alphabet of his own old country.
The view that when the territories of Macedonia were divided into three areas, awarding Greece 51.57%, Serbia 38.32% and Bulgaria 10.11% of the total Macedonian territory, is based on erroneous discernment, which leads to miscalculations. These percentages are incorrect because they correspond to the area of Greek Macedonia (34,603 km2) and Bulgarian Macedonia (6,789 km2), but not to the actual section of the former Serbian Macedonia.
The territory of the present day FYROM (25,713 km2) was not totally part of Serbian Macedonia. Namely, the calculations mentioned in the previous paragraph refer to the republic[3] (http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/newthread.php#_ftn3) when it was formed after the WWII, disregarding the fact that Serbian territories merged with Serbian Macedonia in order to create the new “People’s Republic of Macedonia.”[4] (http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/newthread.php#_ftn4) There is no reference of “Macedonia” in the Treaty of Bucharest, because Macedonia did not exist, and thusly the Treaty divided the Vilayets of Selanik and Manastır of the Ottoman Empire.
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[1] (http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/newthread.php#_ftnref1) See Templar, [I]Fallacies and Facts, 2003, map The Macedonian Homeland.
[2] (http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/newthread.php#_ftnref2) “The Macedonians are Slavs” Chris Evanoff, MPO President, 17 July 2002 – Letter to the Governor of Illinois. “Today the Macedonian alphabet and language are Slavic and differ completely from the Greek alphabet and language” Chris Evanoff, MPO President, 23 July 2002 – Letter to the Governor of Illinois.
[3] (http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/newthread.php#_ftnref3) “People’s Republic of Macedonia” and in April 7, 1963 “Socialist Republic of Macedonia.”
[4] (http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/newthread.php#_ftnref4) From personal experience: Skopje, i.e. belonged to Serbia and its inhabitants used to speak “old Serbian.”
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http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7105/originalphotographicfacsimile4.png
(http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/newthread.php#_ednref1)[i] (http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/newthread.php#_ednref1) Text of “The Manifesto of the Krushevo Republic August 2nd-3rd, 1903”
Fellow compatriots and dear neighbors!
We, your perennial neighbors, friends and acquaintances from beautiful Krushevo and its pretty villages, regardless of faith, nationality, sex or conviction, not being able to endure any more the tyranny of bloodthirsty converts who hunger for human flesh, who would like to lead both you and us to slaughter, to reduce both you and us to poverty, and to turn our dear and wealthy land of Macedonia into a wasteland, we have today raised our heads and decided to defend ourselves with rifles in our hands from our and your enemies, and obtain freedom. You know very well that we are not evil and you understand that it is trouble that made us risk our lives, so that we might begin living like human beings or die like heroes! In addition, because since the times of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers we have lived together like brothers of this land, we consider you as our own, and would like it to remain the same forever. We have not raised our rifles against you - it would be shameful for us to do so; we have not raised against the peaceful diligent and honest Turkish people who, like ourselves, earn their living through sweat full of blood - they are our brothers with whom we have always lived and would like to live again; we have not risen to slaughter and plunder, to set fire and steal - we have had enough of countless feudal lords pillaging and plundering our poor and blood-stained Macedonia; we have not risen to convert to Christianity and disgrace your mothers and sisters, wives and daughters; you should know that your property, your lives, your faith and your honor are as dear to us as our own. Alas, we have taken up arms only to protect our property, our lives, our faith and our honor. We are not converts of our own land that has given birth to us, we are not robbers and plunderers, but revolutionaries sworn to die for justice and freedom; we rebel against tyranny and against slavery; we are fighting and will fight against converts, against robbers, against oppressors and plunderers, against soiling our honor and faith and against those who benefit from our sweat and exploit our labor. Do not be afraid of us and of our villages - we shall not harm anyone. Not only do we consider you as our brothers, but we also feel sorry for you as our brothers, since we understand that you are slaves like ourselves, slaves of the Sultan and of his appointed rulers, masters and governors, slaves of the rich and powerful, slaves of tyrants and oppressors, who have set fire to the empire from all four sides and have made us rise up for justice, for freedom and for human life. We invite you, too, to join us in our struggle for justice, freedom and human life! Come, Moslem brothers, let us together go against your and our enemies! Come under the banner of "Autonomous Macedonia"! Macedonia is the mother of us all and she calls on us for help. Let us break the chains of slavery, free ourselves from suffering and pain, and dry the rivers of blood and tears! Join us, brothers, let us fuse our souls and hearts and save ourselves, so that we and our children and our children's children might live in peace, work calmly and make progress!
Dear neighbors!
We understand that you as Turks, Albanians and Moslems might think that the empire is yours and that you are not slaves since there is no cross on the imperial flag but a star and a crescent. You will soon see and understand that this is not so and that you are wrong. Nevertheless, if your honor does not allow you to join us and declare yourselves against the Sultan's tyranny, we, your brothers in suffering and of the same homeland, shall do you no harm and shall not hate you. We will fight alone both for you and us, and if necessary, we will fight to the last man under the banner for your freedom and ours, for your justice and ours. "Liberty or Death" is written on our foreheads and on our bloodstained banner. We have already raised that banner and there is no way back. If you consider us as your brothers, too, if you wish us well, if you intend to live with us again as you have lived up to now, and if you are faithful and worthy sons of our mother Macedonia, you could help us in one way at least - and it would be a great help indeed - do not make partners of the enemy, do not raise guns against us and do not oppress the Christian villages!
May God bless our holy struggle for justice and freedom!
Long live the fighters for freedom and all honest and good Macedonian sons!
Hurrah! For "Autonomous Macedonia!"
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[5] Turkish for Iron Gate; Demir Kapija, The FYROM
[6] The Ottoman State (Osmanlı Devleti) for reasons of modernization proclaimed Ottoman Empire (Osmanlı İmparatorluğu)
[7]Самуилов натпис, 993. г, И. Гошев, Старобългарски глаголически и кирилски надписи от IX и X в. София, 1961