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Paulos Melas
12-04-2007, 06:18 AM
AFTER KOSOVO
Western Macedonia, Illirida, and Greater Albania
By Carl Savich

When spring comes, we will manure the plains of Kosovo with the bones of Serbs…
-Isa Boletini, Kosovar political leader, 1913


The Serbian population of Kosovo should be removed as soon as possible. Serbian settlers should be killed.
-Mustafa Kruja, Nazi-fascist Prime Minister of Greater Albania, June, 1942


The time has come to exterminate the Serbs. There will be no Serbs under the Kosovo sun.
-Ferat-bey Draga, Nazi-fascist Kosovar Muslim political leader, 1943



The Greater Albania ideology envisions not only Kosovo and Metohija as integral part of a Greater Ethnic Albania, but also Western Macedonia, or Illirida. The basis for the Greater Albania strategy can be found in the 1878 League of Prizren. The map and borders for the future Greater Albania were determined by the Ottoman Turkish vilayet system. Kosovo and Metohija and Western Macedonia were part of the Kosovo vilayet. The capital of the Kosovo vilayet was Skopje.
Kosovo-Metohija is not the end of the Greater Albania ideology, but only the beginning. Western Macedonia is central in the Greater Albania goal to create an Ethnic or Greater Albania. Albanian separatism begins with Kosovo, but does not end there. Western Macedonia, or Illirida, and Southern Serbia, or Preseheva, are integral parts of an Ethnic Albania under the Greater Albania ideology. They are the next targets, after Kosovo, of Albanian separatism. Western Macedonia and Southern Serbia were part of the Kosovo vilayet in Ottoman Turkey. During World Wear II, the Kosovo vilayet was incorporated into a Greater Albania. The goal of Albanian separatism is to incorporate all the territory of the former Kosovo vilayet into a Greater or Ethnic Albania.

The Kosovo Vilayet

In 1877, Ottoman Turkey created the Vilayet or province of Kosovo, or “Kossovo”, in European Turkey or Turkey in Europe, which consisted of the sandzak or district of Skopje, or Uskub, in Macedonia, and the sandzaks of Prizren in Kosovo and Novi Pazar in the Sandzak or Rashka region of Serbia. The Kosovo vilayet was a product of the 1864 Ottoman Turkish law that reorganized the standard provincial administration throughout the Ottoman empire. The eyalets, the Turkish provinces, were restructured as smaller vilayets under a governor or a vali. The valis were appointed by the Turkish government. New provincial assemblies, however, were allowed to participate in the administration. The vilayets were subdivided into sandzaks or districts headed by a bey or beg.

The Albanian leaders of the 1878 League of Prizren, when the Greater Albania ideology was formulated, demanded that Turkey attach or annex the vilayet of Kosovo to a Greater Albania. The Ottoman Turkish government rejected the creation of a Greater Albania, which resulted in an Albanian insurgency to expel the Turks and to create a Greater Albania on their own.





Mustafa Kruja, fascist Prime Minister of Greater Albania, 1942, called for the extermination of the Kosovo Serb population.




The British Consul in Albania, Sir William Kirby-Green, described the Prizren League in an 1880 report as follows: “[T]he Albanian League is an organization of the most fanatical Muslims in the country. Those people are now taken up with extreme religious fanaticism and hatred of Christians. With the exception perhaps of Mecca, Prizren is the most dangerous spot for a Christian to be in all Mohammedan countries.” The goal to create a Greater Albania failed when Turkish military forces put down the rebellion. The Greater Albania ideology, however, endured and evolved.
Isa Boletini or Iso Boljetinac (1864-1916), was a “Kosovar” Albanian ultra-nationalist who waged a long-standing battle to create a Greater Albania consisting of Kosovo-Metohija and Illirida. Boletini was born in the northern Kosovo village of Boletin, near Kosovska Mitrovica. Boletini was a committed Albanian nationalist who sought to implement the Greater Albania ideology through force. The 1878 Prizren League had the goal to create a Greater Albania out of the Kosovo vilayet, which would entail the annexation of Kosovo-Metohija and Western Macedonia, or Illirida, to a Greater Albania.

Boletini was an ideologue of the 1878 League of Prizren. He wanted to advance the primary political goals of the Prizren League to unite the four Ottoman Turkish vilayets with an Albanian population into a united Greater or Ethnic Albania. Boletini joined the Albanian Prizren League forces at the age of 17, and fought in the battle of Slivovo valley in central Kosovo against the Ottoman Turkish forces to establish a Greater Albania by military force. Boletini had a life-long commitment to the creation of a Greater Albania. As a Kosovar, his primary goal was to achieve the annexation of Kosovo-Metohija to Albania.




In 1912, Kosovar political leader Isa Boletini, front and to the right: "In the spring, we will manure the plains of Kosovo with the bones of Serbs."



Boletini openly advocated the genocide, expulsion, and ethnic cleansing of the Kosovo Serb population. In 1913, when leaving the Ambassador’s Conference in London, Boletini stated: “When spring comes, we will manure the plains of Kosovo with the bones of Serbs, for we, Albanians, have suffered too much to forget." This is an open call for the genocide of Kosovo Serbs. Boletini, the political and military leader of Kosovo Albanians, and himself a so-called Kosovar, announced openly a plan for the ethnic cleansing and expulsion and genocide of the Kosovo Serb population. This open advocacy of genocide is ignored and covered-up by Greater Albania ultra-nationalists and their supporters, such as Canadian Robert Elsie, who is one of the key propagandists of a Greater Albania. Elsie studied in West Germany and worked for the German Ministry of Foreign Affairs from 1982 to 1987 in Bonn. A so-called Albanian specialist, Elsie has written extensively in support of a Greater Albania that would include the Serbian province of Kosovo-Metohija. Instead, they focus on the alleged statements made by Belgrade university professor Vaso Cubrilovic, a Bosnian by birth, for the expulsion of Albanians.
In fact, it was Boletini who announced openly the plan of the Kosovar Albanian political leaders for the expulsion and genocide of Kosovo Serbs. Boletini regarded talk as cheap. For Boletini, borders were created from the end of a barrel of a gun. He didn’t waste his time with academic “memorandums”.

In August, 1912, his forces took over Skopje, the capital of the Kosovo vilayet, pursuant to his plans to annex Western Macedonia to Albania. Boletini created a Greater Albania. He demanded the creation of a Greater Albania and diplomatic recognition. During World War I, he was a proxy for Austria-Hungary and Germany and joined the terrorist, separatist Kachak movement to make Kosovo and Western Macedonia a part of a Greater Albania. He was killed on January 23, 1916 by Montenegrin forces when he tried to seize Podgorica, the capital of Montenegro, as a proxy for the Austro-Hungarian army, which was the major sponsor of a Greater Albania at that time.

In 1905, the population of the Kosovo vilayet was approximately 1,100,000. The total area of the vilayet was 12,700 sq. m. The population consisted of Serbs, Bulgarians, Macedonians, Albanians, Greeks, Turks, Vlachs, and Roma. There were good roads that ran through Skopje and a railway from Salonika that ran north and divided at Skopje, the capital of the vilayet. One branch traversed to Kosovska Mitrovica and the other to Nis in Serbia. The vilayet was rich in minerals and there were many mines. In 1907, there were two chrome mines in the vilayet, at Orasje and Verbestica, near Strpce in southern Kosovo.





Kosovo vilayet, 1881-1912




The Kosovo vilayet was one of the most productive agricultural regions of the Ottoman Empire. The exports from the Kosovo vilayet consisted chiefly of livestock, fruit, grain, tobacco, vegetables, opium, hemp and skins. The value of the exports was 950,000 pounds. Rice was grown primarily for domestic consumption. Two-thirds of exports and imports from the Kosovo vilayet passed through Salonika; one-third was with Serbia, where goods were transported by railway.
The capital of the Kosovo vilayet was Skopje, which had a population of 32,000. at that time. Prizren in Kosovo had a population of 30,000, Veles or Koprulu in Turkish, 22,000, Stip or Ishtip in Turkish, 21,000, Novi Pazar 12,000, and Pristina 11,000.

In the medieval period, the area encompassed in the vilayet formed part of the Serbian state, the northern districts known as Old Serbia, or Stara Srbija. The plain of Kosovo, Kosovo Polje, “Field of Blackbirds ", is a long valley which is located west of Pristina. The Sibnica River, a tributary of the Ibar River, flows into the Kosovo Polje Valley.

Nazi Greater Albania, 1941-1944

The precedent for a Greater Albania was set from 1941 to 1944 by Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini who created a Greater Albania during World War II. Western Macedonia, or Illirida, was annexed to Greater Albania. Tetovo, Debar, Gostivar, Struga, and Kichevo were the key Macedonian towns and cities that were incorporated into a Greater Albania. From June 29, 1941 to October, 1944, Debar was part of Greater Albania.

The Italian occupation authorities relegated the civil authority and administration to the Albanian population. In Debar, Halil Alia was a key collaborator with the Italian and German occupation forces. All Albanian-inhabited territories, Western Macedonia, Illirida, Kosovo-Metohija, Kosova, and southern Montenegro, were integrated completely into Albania proper. Albanian language schools, an Albanian press, and an Albanian radio network were established. An Albanian proxy governmental and political administration was created. Vulnetara, an Albanian paramilitary formation, was organized. Albanian police units were established by the Italian occupation forces.





Macedonian Ljuboten Battalion with Redzep Jusufi formed by fascist and Nazi occupation forces in the Tetovo region.




Albanian became the official language as Western Macedonia or Illirida became a part of Albania. The Albanian national flag, the double-headed black eagle on a red background, was raised in Debar and other cities and towns in Western Macedonia. The Albanian Lek was introduced as the official currency. Eastern Macedonia was occupied by Bulgarian military forces.
The Italian military intelligence service, OVRA (Opera Volantario per la Regressione Dell’ Autifascismo), formed an independent battalion in occupied Tetovo. The battalion was named “Ljuboten”, a special unit made up of ethnic Albanians in the Tetovo region. The Ljuboten Battalion was financed from Tetovo municipal funds made available by Dzafer Sulejmani, the president of the Tetovo district under Italian occupation.

Gajur Derala, who had been born in Tetovo, was instrumental in the formation of the fascist Albanian Ljuboten Battalion in Tetovo. Derala had studied at the Yugoslav military academy before the war but had maintained contacts with Italian intelligence, OVRA. He subsequently fled to Albania and enlisted as a regular soldier in the Albanian army under King Zog. After the Italian occupation of Albania in 1939, he became an officer in the fascist Italian occupation forces. He became a committed fascist and swore his allegiance to Benito Mussolini.

He returned to Tetovo in 1941 as part of the Italian occupation forces. Derala was the commander of the Ljuboten Battalion as a captain second class. Redzep Jusufi was also a key member of the Ljuboten Battalion. Jusufi had studied at Rome and Padua before returning to Tetovo to join the Battalion. Derala sought to form a Ljuboten Division and instructed hodza or Muslim cleric Bajrem Iljaziju from Gostivar to mobilize Albanian Muslims for the proposed division. This plan was not approved from Tirana so it was not carried out.





Albanian plis or skullcap showing Nazi SS insignia on member of the Nazi Skanderbeg SS Division.




The Albanian recruits in the Battalion had no formal military training. What bound the Albanian recruits together was nationalism and an ideological commitment to creating a Greater Albania.
The Italian-created Albanian Axis/fascist Ljuboten Battalion was given the task to uncover, question, and annihilate any resistance to the occupation. After the surrender of Italy in September 8, 1943, the German forces retained this Albanian formation allowing the unit to keep their Italian-issued uniforms and weapons. Members of the Balli Kombetar later joined the Ljuboten battalion. At the end of 1943, the Ljuboten unit was engaged in the attack on Kichevo in Macedonia. The German occupation forces used the Ljuboten Battalion, augmented by additional troops from the Balli Kombetar, to attack and dislodge partisan units in Kichevo. Kichevo was held by Petar Brajovic who commanded the partisan First Kosovo-Macedonian Brigade. The partisan forces intercepted the Ljuboten Battalion at Bukovici and decimated it.

The Italian occupation of Western Macedonia allowed the Albanian population to create an ethnic Albanian-ruled region. Albanian police and paramilitary units were formed as a proxy army by the Italian forces. The civil administration was entrusted by the Italians to Albanian leaders. Albanian became the official language. The civil and police administration was taken over by ethnic Albanians; Albanian schools, newspapers, and radio stations were established. Debar was transformed into Dibra, an Albanian city in Greater Albania.

The German occupation forces retained the Albanian civil, political, military, and police control and administration of Western Macedonia. The Albanian national flag was flown, the official language was Albanian, and the Albanian Lek remained the official currency in Illirida. The Germans retained the incorporation of Western Macedonia and Kosovo-Metohija into a Greater Albania. Rejeb Bey Mitrovica, however, was replaced by Fikri Dine as the Prime Minister of the Greater Albanian state occupied by the German Wehrmacht. The Albanian Minister of the Interior was Dzafer Deva, an Albanian Muslim from Kosovo. Mustafa Kruja and Mehdi Bey Frasheri also held high positions in the Albanian regime. Ernst Kaltenbrunner, who had replaced Reinhard Heydrich as the leader of the SD, was instrumental in setting up the Albanian Nazi Party, which replaced the Albanian Fascist Party that the Italian authorities had set up previously. Much of the civilian and military administration was exercised by ethnic Albanians during both the Italian and German occupations.

One battalion of the Skanderbeg Nazi SS Division was formed in Debar. A pioneer or engineer battalion from the Skanderbeg Division was based in Gostivar. In Tetovo, there were a total of 1,500 ethnic Albanian Waffen SS troops, members of the 1st Regiment of the Skanderbeg SS Division. What motivated the Albanian troops in Skanderbeg from Macedonia was the ideology of Greater Albania, the annexation of Western Macedonia, which they called Illirida, into a Greater or Ethnic Albania. These units fought against Macedonian and Kosovo partisan forces.




Members of the Nazi Skanderbeg SS Division with an Albanian Ushtar or gendarme.



In Debar, there were 900 Albanian SS troops, in Gostivar, there were 1,000 Albanian SS troops, while in Struga there were 100. In Kichevo, there were 1,500 Albanian SS troops. The total number of Albanian SS troops in Western Macedonia was 5,000.
The Albanians made up the police force in Western Macedonia: In Debar, there were 16 members of the police force, in Gostivar 10, in Struga 11, in Tetovo 16, and in Kichevo, 5.

There were a total of 5,500 members of the Balli Kombetar in Macedonia, 2,000 of which were based in Tetovo. There were a total of 250 Albanian gendarme units, or armed police units, in Tetovo. An Albanian Battalion for Security made up of 800 members was based in Tetovo. In addition, there were 80 Albanian troops and border guards. The total number of Albanian police and paramilitary units in Tetovo during the German occupation was 4,646.

There were 300 German occupation troops stationed in Debar during World War II. There were 500 members of the Balli Kombetar in Debar. There were 200 Albanian gendarmes or police in Debar along with seven German Gestapo agents. The German Army only had 450 German troops and three Gestapo agents in Tetovo and a total of 2,180 troops and 34 Gestapo agents in all of Western Macedonia. Instead, the German occupation forces created a proxy army and police staff made up of ethnic Albanians, collaborationists who acted as the proxies for the German military forces. Like the Italian occupation forces had done before them, the German military was able to use the Albanian police and paramilitary forces as a proxy force.

Debar and Greater Albania

Debar, known also as Bebar, Dibre-i-Bala, Dibra, was located in northwestern Macedonia, near the border with Albania proper. Debar was a key area of conflict during World War II and saw the deployment of the Skanderbeg SS Division. The Debar region was a focal point for the Greater Albania ideology in Western Macedonia.

Debar was referred to for the first time in the mid-2nd century in a map by Ptolemy as Deborus. In the time of the Byzantine Empire in the 11th century, under the rule of Emperor Basil II, in the charter, Debar is recorded as a settlement in the Archbishopric of Bitola. In 1107, Bohemond of Antioch captured Debar during the First Crusade. In the 13th and 14th centuries, Debar was at various times a part of Serbia, Bulgaria, and the Byzantine Empire. In 1449, Debar fell under the Ottoman Turkish Empire and was referred to as Dibri or Debra by the Turks. In 1502, Felix Petancic recorded the town as Dibri in his itinerary notes. In the 15th century, Gjergj Kastrioti, known as Skanderbeg, after whom the Nazi SS Division was named, fought Ottoman Turkish forces in several major battles near Debar, which was an important frontline. Wealthy Turkish Agas and Beys lived in the town as well.

It was an important urban center in the medieval era and was a key trading outpost. It developed a crafts industry. Many merchants and travelers stopped in the town for lodging. There was a carsija or market bazaar or pazar in the town center as was common in all Turkish towns. There were shops and stalls to sell vegetables, fruit, and wares. It had narrow and curved streets and many inns, which was also typical in Turkish towns. The houses built in Debar had “dolapi”, wardrobe cabinets, “minderlaci”, closets, and “chardaci”, enclosed porches on the second story of Turkish houses. The town was divided into a Lower and Upper Debar. It was noted for its craftsmen, builders, and woodcarvers.

In the 19th century, there were rebellions against the Turks in Macedonia. In March, 1822, Atanas Karatase and Angel Gacho led the Negush Uprising in which the town of Negush was seized. The Ottoman Turks retook the town and took away the women and children, who were resettled in other parts of Macedonia.

In the first half of the 19th century, Ami Boue (1794-1881), a noted German-born geologist who lived in France and was naturalized an Austrian citizen, traveled to the Balkans and sketched out detailed maps in his book La Turquie d’Europe, which was published in 1840 in Paris. Boue traveled to Debar and other parts of Macedonia and noted that Debar had a population of 4,200 in the early 19th century with 64 shops. By 1900, the population of Debar had increased to 15,500, which declined after World War I. In 1878, Albanian leaders from Debar participated in the Second League of Prizren in Kosovo, which enunciated a plan for the creation of an Ethnic or Greater Albania.

From June 29, 1941 to October, 1944, Debar and Struga were annexed to and made part of a Greater Albania created by Italy and Germany. From September 8, 1943 to November, 1944, German forces occupied the Italian areas once Italy surrendered. Debar thus came under German occupation at this time. The Italians integrated Debar into an Ethnic or Greater Albania in 1941 and placed the town under Italian and Albanian occupation and civil and military administration. The Macedonian Slavic population fled the Albanian and Italian occupation, especially due to the terror and intimidation by local Albanian and Italian occupation forces. Macedonian refugees from Debar fled to Skopje which was under Bulgarian occupation. A refugee area for Macedonians fleeing from Debar was established in Skopje called Debarsko Maalo, or the Debar Neighborhood.

The nearby towns and villages are Susica, Trnanic, Selokuki in the west, Krivci in the north, Vlasiki and Rajicki in the south, and Tatar Elevci in the east. The Radika and Crni Drim rivers flow near the town, which is surrounded by the Desat, Stogovo, and Jablanica mountains. There are nearby springs at Debarska Banja and gypsum crystal deposits.

Debar has remained a volatile region of Albanian separatism and a base for Greater Albania ultra-nationalism. The KLA had bases around Debar in the late 1990s during the terrorist/separatist war in Kosovo-Metohija. The Debar region was important in the re-emergence of the Greater Albania ideology in the 1990s when a Greater Albania consisting of Kosovo-Metohija and Western Macedonia was being reconstructed.

Illirida and the Skanderbeg SS Division

The surrender of Italy on September 3, 1943 forced Germany to re-occupy Debar and Western Macedonia. The German forces wanted to recruit and enlist ethnic Albanians into proxy armies that would assist the German occupation. The Germans retained the Albanian “Ljuboten” Battalion initially formed by the Italian occupation forces. The Waffen SS sought to incorporate the Albanian manpower of the region into Waffen SS formations, as a German proxy army to maintain the military occupation of the Macedonian and Serbian Orthodox Slavic populations.




Kosovar Albanian ultra-nationalists decapitated a Kosovo Serb in Pec, who is prepared for burial. Only the head was found. Pec, Kosovo, late 1800s.



In 1943, the German occupation authorities sponsored the formation of the Second League of Prizren, reviving the 1878 League. The Germans sought to use the racist, extremist, anti-democratic, anti-Orthodox, anti-Slavic agenda of the Greater Albania ideology to maintain and support their occupation of Kosovo and Western Macedonia. Bedri Pejani, the president of the central committee of the Second League of Prizren, a militant and extremist Greater Albania ideologue, even wrote Himmler personally to request his assistance in establishing a Greater Albania and volunteering Albanian troops to work jointly with the Waffen SS and German Wehrmacht. Himmler read the Pejani letter and agreed to form two ethnic Albanian Waffen SS Divisions. Like Hitler and Mussolini, Himmler became an active sponsor of the Greater Albania ideology.
On April 17, 1944, Adolf Hitler approved the formation of the Albanian Skanderbeg SS Division after Reichsfuehrer SS Heinrich Himmler had requested it. The SS Main Office envisioned an Albanian division of 10,000 troops. The Balli Kombetar (National Front), the Albanian Committees, and the Second League of Prizren submitted the names of 11,398 recruits for the division. Of these, 9,275 were determined to be suitable for drafting into the Waffen SS. Of this number, 6,491 ethnic Albanians were actually drafted into the Waffen SS.

There was a battalion of Albanian Muslims from Debar which made up the Skanderberg SS Division. A reinforced battalion of approximately 200-300 ethnic Albanians, the III/Waffen Gebirgsjaeger Regiment 50, serving in the Bosnian Muslim 13th Waffen Gebirgs Division der SS “Handzar” or “Handschar” were transferred to the newly forming division. To this Albanian core were added veteran German troops from Austria and Volksdeutsche officers, NCOS, and enlisted men. The total strength of the Albanian Waffen SS Division would be 8,500-9,000 men.

Operation Fox Hunt

At the end of June, 1944, Enver Hoxha’s partisan units launched an offensive against Debar, where a strong German garrison was stationed along with Balli Kombetar troops. What resulted from the attack is Fikri Dine becoming the Prime Minister of the German-sponsored Greater Albania. Dine was himself from the Debar area and was the leader of the Albanian clan chieftains in Debar. He took an active role in the German offensives against partisans in his own area of Debar in late 1943.





On right, Walter Schaumuller, commander of 5./28 of the Nazi SS Division Handzar, which was a unit made up of Kosovar Albanian Muslims. He is wearing the Albanian plis or skull cap created by the SS Main Office for Kosovar Albanians in the SS. Bosnia, 1944.




The German occupation forces accepted Dine with some hesitation but rejected his choice of Fuat Dibra as regent. On July 2, 1944, the German authorities forced the Albanian Parliament to elect Cafo Bey Ulqini, an Albanian Muslim from Kosovo. The Germans relied increasingly on Kosovo Albanian Muslims to run Greater Albania because they were the most fanatical and militant in creating a Greater Albania which Nazi Germany sponsored. The German occupation forces understood that the way to ensure Albanian loyalty and to recruit Albanian proxies was to advocate the annexation of Kosovo and Western Macedonia to a Greater Albania. Consequently, the most committed supporters of the Nazi occupation forces were Kosovo Albanian Muslims and Balli Kombetar members. The three main German occupation leaders in Albania were SS leader Josef Fitzthum, Austrian diplomatic troubleshooter Hermann Neubacher, and Martin Schliep of the German Foreign Ministry in Albania.
The new Dine administration alienated the German occupation forces by excluding Dzafer Deva from the new Cabinet. Deva was instrumental in the creation of the Nazi German-sponsored Second League of Prizren and was crucial in organizing the formation of the Skanderbeg SS Division. Deva was also a Kosovo Albanian Muslim who was committed to the Nazi cause because of his objective to create a Greater Albania. The German forces saw the move as threatening the security of the German army in Greater Albania and of endangering German war aims. The German occupation provided the only stability and control in Greater Albania. Moreover, the removal of Deva threatened the formation of the Skanderbeg SS Division. The goal of the Dine regime was to create a viable military force under German control.

Partisan units were operating in the Debar and Mati regions. Dine requested that the Germans provide him with weapons and tanks to create two mountain divisions. The partisan resistance forces were gaining in strength as the German defeat became more and more certain with each passing day. By the end of July, German and Zogist forces attacked Mehmet Shehu’s first partisan brigade at Debar and drove them deep into Macedonia. The resistance forces, however, were weakened by an arms embargo that the British had imposed. British liaison officers reported that the Debar engagement was directed primarily against German forces and convinced British headquarters based in Bari to re-supply the partisan forces. By the end of July, British aircraft resumed weapons drops to the partisan forces around Debar. British RAF Beaufighter aircraft bombed Debar from August 10 to 11. The partisans were able to take Debar.

The German forces and Dine planned a counteroffensive to retake Debar known as Fall Fuchsjagd or Operation Fox Hunt. The Germans launched the counterattack on August 18. The joint German and Albanian offensive was made up of two German regiments, the Skanderbeg SS Division, a nationalist formation from Debar under the command of Halil Alia, who was a close collaborator with the Italian fascist occupation authorities and the German Nazi forces, and 800-1,000 militia members allied to Abaz Kupi.

The Albanian units performed poorly because they were demoralized and poorly trained. The Germans could not muster enough troops themselves. The Germans called off the offensive on August 27. By August 30, the German and Albanian forces were compelled to retreat from Debar. The German and Albanian forces suffered an estimated 400 killed. They also were forced to abandon equipment. The two-month battle over Debar was a defeat for the German and Albanian Axis troops. Operation Fox Hunt was a German/Albanian military disaster.

It was the last gasp of the German forces and their Albanian proxies to create a Greater Albania. Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini were unsuccessful in creating a Greater Albania.

Greater Albania Redux

The Greater Albania ideology was revived with the break-up of Yugoslavia. The United States became the new sponsor of a Greater or Ethnic Albania. The Nazi and fascist Greater Albania created by Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini remained a precedent and model. With US sponsorship, leadership, and organization, the Greater Albania ideology was revived. The US took the role that Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy had played in masterminding a Greater Albania. The US policy was to ensure ethnic Albanian control over Kosovo-Metohija and Western Macedonia, or Illirida. In 1999, the US unilaterally attacked and violated Yugoslavian sovereignty and occupied the Serbian province of Kosovo-Metohija using terrorist, separatist guerrillas as proxies, the so-called KLA. In 2001, the US sponsored and supported a terrorist guerrilla insurgency in Western Macedonia by the so-called NLA. The US policy was to sponsor a terrorist war to achieve Greater Albania. The result was the re-emergence of a Greater Albania. The objective is to make possible the realization of the 1878 League of Prizren goal to create a Greater Albania by attaching the territory of the former vilayet of Kosovo, Kosovo-Metohija and Western Macedonia, to Albania.

After Kosovo, Western Macedonia and Southern Serbia are the next targets of Albanian separatism and secession. Under the Greater Albania ideology, Illirida and Presheva are integral parts of a Greater or Ethnic Albania. What motivates Albanian separatism and ultra-nationalism is a goal to incorporate the territory of the former Kosovo vilayet into an Ethnic or Greater Albania. In the Greater Albania ideology, “Kosova” is only the beginning, not the end.

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After Kosovo: Western Macedonia, Illirida, and Greater Albania | Carl Savich | Columns | Serbianna.com (http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/074.shtml)

Demetrius Doukas
12-04-2007, 06:29 AM
These are probable next scenarious and some circles will invest in this scheming...........

Cadmus
12-04-2007, 10:14 AM
This is a shocking document about a terrible episode in western macedonia in ww2...now who said the Fyromians sponsored the Nazi's in ww2 is a idiot...just look at what those crazy ass Albs tried to pull off!

As the article states the Kosovar Albs are the most fanatical irredentists you could possibly imagine!
Even today those filthy scumbags(excuse my language here) are posing a severe thread to Fyrom and Serbian Kosovo.

Lets hope the greater Illirida idea remains only in their desillusional crooked minds and does not become a reality soon when there is a possible annexation of Kosovo to Albania,if that happens shit will hit the fan big time in the Balkans...if that happens i hope Greece or Bulgaria or NATO/UN will act swiftly and bomb the hell out of Albania's-Kosovar KLA bases all around the critical areas...

olvios
12-04-2007, 10:49 AM
The problem in Fyrom is its leaders and the retarted propaganda that that they are makedones.If they had their slavic identity intact they could resist albanians and have a multitude of allies in this.

Cadmus
12-04-2007, 11:06 AM
I know, but the Fyrom government think they can handle it themselves, without help.

The Kosovo situation will blow up in their face and perhaps will destroy Fyrom which is a bad thing.

olvios
12-04-2007, 12:10 PM
All fyrom problems stem from their macedonian fantasies once more.

TirAlb
12-04-2007, 12:14 PM
paulos melas what is your source,i bet serbiana.com.

Cadmus
12-04-2007, 12:16 PM
The problems with Albania has nothing to do with the Fyrom macedonian fantasy ...the problem with Albania is a real big problem originating from the past

olvios
12-04-2007, 12:25 PM
The problems with Albania has nothing to do with the Fyrom macedonian fantasy ...the problem with Albania is a real big problem originating from the past
I meant the effect other countries have and can have on the issues.

TirAlb
12-04-2007, 12:27 PM
give me one!and let discuss about it...the problem is not about historical facts but about biased interpretation.

olvios
12-04-2007, 12:57 PM
The problem is skopians and albanians live in a fantasy world and not in historical one.

Mygdonia
12-04-2007, 01:15 PM
albanians and fyromians deserve each other and fate has decided it this way. psychologicaly they are one and the same with their own self-hallucinations.

serbs in kosovo has a real history...that's a different matter....the fyromians and albanians are un seperable on who has the higher moral ground.

Cadmus
12-04-2007, 01:25 PM
TirAlb, the most of the Albanians in ww2 were anti-nazi , but its the Kosovar Albanians that were the worst...this is a fact.

Or do you think that the greater Illirida thoughts were not shared by many Kosovar and yes domestic Albanians as well?

And Mygdonia you don't know what your talking about!

Mygdonia
12-04-2007, 01:27 PM
I don't really care if Albanians run over Fyrom. I actually support it.
I can't seperate between a thug and a thief.

Cadmus
12-04-2007, 01:30 PM
If that's what you think , generalising is never good, so to you all Fyromians are worthless thugs and thieves?.

If so further discussion by me is out of the question..anyone got something intelligent to add,instead of useless flaming?

Mygdonia
12-04-2007, 01:33 PM
Take it easy.

Generalisations are only conjured up by their own governments actions.

I have no intention of supporting thiefs over the thugs. You are both painted with the same brush, you deserve each other.

Cadmus
12-04-2007, 01:41 PM
Take it easy.

Generalisations are only conjured up by their own governments actions.

I have no intention of supporting thiefs over the thugs. You are both painted with the same brush, you deserve each other.

A lot is wrong with Fyromian ideaology...that i concur with, but your sentence about being painted by the same brush, is in fact a generalisation and not easy to swallow...

Not all the Fyromians are blind and arrogant, you should read some of mine earlier posts about the people's ideas and behaviour in the south of Fyrom...

Mygdonia
12-04-2007, 01:47 PM
Misrepresenting my character is just a big no-no.

Cadmus
12-04-2007, 01:50 PM
Whatever, i'm done with discussing ...have a nice evening.

Mygdonia
12-04-2007, 02:15 PM
Cadmus, I have read your posts regarding the southern Fyromians.

I am not sure what to make of it. You are either severely oppressed by the communist regime or you are deluded I am unsure. If your ideals are Hellenic..then in an environment of opression, then one would expect the Hellenic heart to fight the opression.

For example this Greek in Vorios Epirus.

xgPE9Cp4pz4

Do you want me to translate?

This is what I excpect if there is a shroud of evidence these southern Fyromians live and die by Hellenic ideals... then you FIGHT.

You start to fight then I am with you, but if you try to slavize it...ummm, I think I will leave you alone. Got it?

Makedonia25
12-04-2007, 04:12 PM
Cadmus, I have read your posts regarding the southern Fyromians.

I am not sure what to make of it. You are either severely oppressed by the communist regime or you are deluded I am unsure. If your ideals are Hellenic..then in an environment of opression, then one would expect the Hellenic heart to fight the opression.

For example this Greek in Vorios Epirus.

xgPE9Cp4pz4

Do you want me to translate?

This is what I excpect if there is a shroud of evidence these southern Fyromians live and die by Hellenic ideals... then you FIGHT.

You start to fight then I am with you, but if you try to slavize it...ummm, I think I will leave you alone. Got it?

That's mad.. This guy is the best example of what it means to be GREEK! :clap2::clapping:

TirAlb
12-04-2007, 06:34 PM
TirAlb, the most of the Albanians in ww2 were anti-nazi , but its the Kosovar Albanians that were the worst...this is a fact.

Or do you think that the greater Illirida thoughts were not shared by many Kosovar and yes domestic Albanians as well?

And Mygdonia you don't know what your talking about!

Every balcan country had its colaboracionists and puppet goverments,kosovar albanians were just trying to take advantage of the situation.If you treat peoples like animals you can't pretend fro them to back you in a war,it can be nazi-germania or nato,they will allways follow the moto "the enemy of my enemy is my ally".

here you have a pragmatic serbian way of thinking in 1937(just few years before)!

THE EXPULSION
OF THE
ALBANIANS (http://aacl.com/expulsion2.html)

however that article is a total crap,probably taken from serbiana,com.He mentioned the war for debar,were germans with alb.muslims fought against Mehmet shehus partisan first brigade,but he "forgott" to add that Mehmet shehu was a muslim albanian and comandant of the first brigade,the elite corp of the ALBANIAN liberation army,he also "forgott" to add that half of kosovas territory was liberated from Albanian partisans.

slavicwolf
12-04-2007, 07:00 PM
i thought this was a thread about a debate for macedonia, who cares about the shqiptars, they will soon get whats coming to them

TirAlb
12-04-2007, 07:11 PM
i thought this was a thread about a debate for macedonia, who cares about the shqiptars, they will soon get whats coming to them

you care!;)...whatever you may say

masolord
12-04-2007, 11:18 PM
you care!;)...whatever you may say

the macedonian special forces "volci" can destroy uck any day:rolleyes:.

tiralb you must be excited. i bet you drools are coming out of your mouth since there is only 5 more days till 10 dec.

after you get kosovo, tell your uck boys to stay out of our Macedonia ok.tell them to start shit some where else, maybe in Montenegro or Greece we haven't done nothing to you so don't start shit with us, we got connections.:p

Makedonia25
12-05-2007, 03:06 AM
the macedonian special forces "volci" can destroy uck any day:rolleyes:.

tiralb you must be excited. i bet you drools are coming out of your mouth since there is only 5 more days till 10 dec.

after you get kosovo, tell your uck boys to stay out of our Macedonia ok.tell them to start shit some where else, maybe in Montenegro or Greece we haven't done nothing to you so don't start shit with us, we got connections.:p

What? FYROM have special forces? hahahaha.. No, Masolord.. Trust me, Albanians WILL start trouble in your country AS SOON AS Kosovo gets independance..

Greece is just going to wait for u to suck up to her like u did in 2001, only this time we will make sure we solve the name problem before we help u :clap2::clapping:

Cadmus
12-05-2007, 04:12 AM
Cadmus, I have read your posts regarding the southern Fyromians.

I am not sure what to make of it. You are either severely oppressed by the communist regime or you are deluded I am unsure. If your ideals are Hellenic..then in an environment of opression, then one would expect the Hellenic heart to fight the opression.

For example this Greek in Vorios Epirus.

xgPE9Cp4pz4

Do you want me to translate?

This is what I excpect if there is a shroud of evidence these southern Fyromians live and die by Hellenic ideals... then you FIGHT.

You start to fight then I am with you, but if you try to slavize it...ummm, I think I will leave you alone. Got it?

Hi !

I don't know what to make up of that video! the man seems severely upset with something, is he demonstrating in Albania?

I don't feel like to prove myself all over again, i support Hellenism and i don't feel like going out on the streets and shout like that guy from the video you posted...(especially here in Holland, where i come from...i might get arrested for disturbing the days piece and quiet:laugh::laugh:)other members here know that i am supporting the Hellenic cause here on this website..and that's fine and enough for me...you giving me this extreme example i don't know what to do with it exactly:wacko:...

Whenever i come to Fyrom i don't sense any opression at all, everyone minds his or hers own business....and i like it that way, allthough there are many problems.

All the best,

Paulos Melas
12-05-2007, 04:43 AM
What? FYROM have special forces? hahahaha.. No, Masolord.. Trust me, Albanians WILL start trouble in your country AS SOON AS Kosovo gets independance..

Greece is just going to wait for u to suck up to her like u did in 2001, only this time we will make sure we solve the name problem before we help u :clap2::clapping:

In fact we might even neglect to assist you as the creation of Illyrida that will include all lands western of the Vardar River would easily solve the problem on a permenant basis. The eastern part would easily be absorbed in your motherland Bulgaria.
And a creation of a buffer strip along E75 of lets say 1km west till vardar banks to the east shall keep the two communities separated and the international trade intact .
Much better scenario than be allowed to be tricked again by the snicky neofascist skopian leadership who would easily promise land and water to assure their survival as a state and the continuation of their irridentitism against Greece and Bulgaria

Cadmus
12-05-2007, 04:47 AM
Paulos Melas:

http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/slavic-history-slavic-migration/4269-bulgarians-europeans-5.html

Mygdonia
12-05-2007, 05:26 AM
So you are full of contradictions.

You say, southern Fyrom is partly Hellenic, I say oif they WERE Hellenic then there would be signs like the video I posted. Otherwise, your delusions that south Fyrom is partly Hellenic [under the soil the slavs occupy, it is] they are definitely not. Simply because, they just don't have the heart.

Cadmus
12-05-2007, 05:59 AM
That's an easy answer and approach, yes many Fyromians are clueless about they're stand on many issues concerning their government..

But many people i know support their hellenic tradition...but what can they do?
Have you heard about the recent article of Fyrom law?
It's prohibited to publicly mock/criticise the Fyromian government and "Macedonianism" of the state...

Mygdonia its the government that needs sincere reevaluation of its policy towards Greece, not the average Fyromian !
They just want to live their lives without all the fuss about the naming issue.

The kind of Fyromians you only get to see , and judge are the irrendentist and extremists like VMRO nationalists...in that way your dismissing and forgetting the average Fyromain who frankly dont care about the whole name dispute, they just want to go one..

Myself i recommend a swift change of governmental policy and immediate dropping of the claimed name of macedonia!
But that is not all up to me to achieve, Fyrom must stand up to itself and say enough, what is more important ? 1 maintaining the name of Macedonia or get a better life standards and join the European Union like everyone else and get on with their lives, thats whats important, not the endless back and forth problematic issues about senseless name disputing.

Makedonia25
12-05-2007, 06:15 AM
That's an easy answer and approach, yes many Fyromians are clueless about they're stand on many issues concerning their government..

But many people i know support their hellenic tradition...but what can they do?
Have you heard about the recent article of Fyrom law?
It's prohibited to publicly mock/criticise the Fyromian government and "Macedonianism" of the state...

Mygdonia its the government that needs sincere reevaluation of its policy towards Greece, not the average Fyromian !
They just want to live their lives without all the fuss about the naming issue.

The kind of Fyromians you only get to see , and judge are the irrendentist and extremists like VMRO nationalists...in that way your dismissing and forgetting the average Fyromain who frankly dont care about the whole name dispute, they just want to go one..

Myself i recommend a swift change of governmental policy and immediate dropping of the claimed name of macedonia!
But that is not all up to me to achieve, Fyrom must stand up to itself and say enough, what is more important ? 1 maintaining the name of Macedonia or get a better life standards and join the European Union like everyone else and get on with their lives, thats whats important, not the endless back and forth problematic issues about senseless name disputing.

Well said! :clapping:

Mygdonia
12-05-2007, 06:16 AM
Look around FYROM... every single nation bar Bosnia is a nation that was created out of natural means of similar or equal ethnic groups.

Look at FYROM... it was created by a bunch of scientists from Belgrade.

Meaning, the essence & aura of that land is a double edged sword.

Firstly they are adamant on human rights as a guise of what they really are..for they fail to practice it themselves.

Secondly, the past, current and future governments of FYROM will always have communistic ideology in its ethogenesis, it's what their ethnos is based on... if it didn't; they have no other choice but to declare Bulgarian.

..and thirdly, they were created for one reason only... to play a part in capturing the warm port. They may not realise like so many things, fault of others... why keep blaming others? But their existance is based on capturing the warm water port and an outlet to the Aegean...it will always be their objective...They have created imaginary minorities in aim to proport themselves a majority. This was done with Russian propaganda maps with the Bulgarian San Stefano....

To you they are just normal people, to me if they don't clean up their act; then feed them to the Albanians.

Cadmus
12-05-2007, 06:33 AM
Well i support the name of Paionia for Fyrom myself it reflects the ancient past much better than macedonia considering the ancient geographical areas, and its a name to be proud of !

Paionia like Hammond suggested and i would like to add that it would incorporate the names of the former provinces like Pelagonia/Dessaretia/Penestae etc..

What's wrong with that name?
But carving Fyrom up into Bulgaria/Albania etc is just another way of diverting the main problem, and only it will add more instability in the Balkan regions...im sure that the name issue will get solved soon before 2010, so everyone gan get on with their daily business(that is if Fyroms government will allow such a drastic but healthy countermeasures).

olvios
12-05-2007, 07:04 AM
But carving Fyrom up into Bulgaria/Albania etc is just another way of diverting the main problem, and only it will add more instability in the Balkan regions

Exactly.Whatever part Albanians get they will say they have a part of "ancient Macedon"-even when they dont since skopia isnt macedon proper -and will demand the rest.Albanians are already brainwashed into believing that the whole of ancient greeece was albanian:huh:.It maybe the same for Bulgarians if the remnant Skopians keep pushing after a split and the nationalists in bulgaria see this as an opportunity.We may create more fyroms.

Paulos Melas
12-05-2007, 07:36 AM
Paionia is a nice name. Nonetheless i cannot see it happening before the raise of Illyrida issue. So with the current foolishness of the skopian government and their irridentitism and assymetric imperialism the split of the country along the vardar river seems inevitable

Cadmus
12-05-2007, 07:36 AM
And then the 'problem" will never cease.

TirAlb
12-05-2007, 07:47 AM
And then the 'problem" will never cease.

well,mac. is full of "problems",and the split of the albanian side will resolve at least the ethnic and probably economical ones,it will not resolve the name dispute simply because its not,an albanian related question.

TirAlb
12-05-2007, 07:50 AM
Exactly.Whatever part Albanians get they will say they have a part of "ancient Macedon"-even when they dont since skopia isnt macedon proper -and will demand the rest.Albanians are already brainwashed into believing that the whole of ancient greeece was albanian:huh:.It maybe the same for Bulgarians if the remnant Skopians keep pushing after a split and the nationalists in bulgaria see this as an opportunity.We may create more fyroms.


don't worry we will do it even without the independence of ilirida,but we have other priorities for the moment,like nato and eu.

TirAlb
12-05-2007, 07:52 AM
Hi !

I don't know what to make up of that video! the man seems severely upset with something, is he demonstrating in Albania?

i dont think he is demonstrating in albania!

Cadmus
12-05-2007, 08:16 AM
don't worry we will do it even without the independence of ilirida,but we have other priorities for the moment,like nato and eu.

Albania has a lot to work out before even thinking about UN membership and European union entry...Fyrom is way ahead of Albania in that sence!
And no , you will never get Illirida it was a freak accident of ww2 ways..

Albania has no right to Tetovo/Kichevo/Struga/Debar land , they are Fyrom property and will remain so in the far future..:clap2:

What can you possibly gain with Illirida, even in ancient times Dessaretia wasn't illyrian, so stop the nonsense and focus on your countries extreme poverty...now thats some nice advice from a Fyromian isn't it?????;)

terastios
12-05-2007, 08:27 AM
AFTER KOSOVO: Western Macedonia, Illirida, and Greater Albania


Western Macedonia? Kozani,Grevena,Florina,Kilkis...& ctr?

(And Don't tell me that was the tittle of the article cause that'll make you parrots of the Scopian propaganda)

Paulos Melas
12-05-2007, 08:32 AM
That was in fact the title of the article as I have copied pasted.
I am sorry but I could not alter it.
Its not my opinion, its not my text , it is someoene else saying that I found interesting and relevant to quote.
If there is any other way to quote articles please enlighten me.
As for my opinions on the skopian issue my personal threads speak by themselves I think.

TirAlb
12-05-2007, 08:34 AM
Albania has a lot to work out before even thinking about UN membership and European union entry...Fyrom is way ahead of Albania in that sence!
And no , you will never get Illirida it was a freak accident of ww2 ways..

Albania has no right to Tetovo/Kichevo/Struga/Debar land , they are Fyrom property and will remain so in the far future..:clap2:

What can you possibly gain with Illirida, even in ancient times Dessaretia wasn't illyrian, so stop the nonsense and focus on your countries extreme poverty...now thats some nice advice from a Fyromian isn't it?????;)

Don't worry about our poverty but about the albanian land you swallowed(indeed serbs did it for you),and prepare for the indegestion you are goin to get from!

Paulos Melas
12-05-2007, 08:37 AM
Some diggestive liqueur anyone???

Truth Bearer
12-05-2007, 08:25 PM
fyrom has no right to land that is populated by Albanians.You must remember it's a numbers game.

slavicwolf
12-06-2007, 12:07 AM
fyrom has no right to land that is populated by Albanians.You must remember it's a numbers game.

so what right did you greeks have over aegean macedonia populated by slavs? yes it is a numbers game but as you greeks know numbers dissapear very easily :angry::mad:

Victor
12-06-2007, 12:26 AM
so what right did you greeks have over aegean macedonia populated by slavs? yes it is a numbers game but as you greeks know numbers dissapear very easily :angry::mad:The right of our majority and of our arms.You sucked,we didnt.

slavicwolf
12-06-2007, 12:47 AM
we didnt suck you just couldnt do it yourselves and needed other countries help. but times change and we dont forget :)

Victor
12-06-2007, 12:51 AM
we didnt suck you just couldnt do it yourselves and needed other countries help. but times change and we dont forget :)LEt me rephrase it.You sucked BIG TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:p
(WHat other countries???)

slavicwolf
12-06-2007, 12:56 AM
i think we have moved away from the topic and civilised conversation, lets have a rakija and start again :)

Victor
12-06-2007, 01:05 AM
i think we have moved away from the topic and civilised conversation, lets have a rakija and start again :)Get bent.

masolord
12-06-2007, 01:33 AM
Get bent.

live him alone victor ,you bully!!!

Truth Bearer
12-06-2007, 01:53 AM
The land of the slavs according to you yet the people yr own kind according to you turned their back to you and wanted to be Greek why is that so slavicwolf?Are you telling me that little Greece with no allies conquered 1,150,000 Slavs?????Have u ever bothered to find out how big the Greek army was back then??

Makedonia25
12-06-2007, 05:46 AM
Victor and Slavicwolf, take it easy.. Remember the forum rules :)

slavicwolf
12-06-2007, 07:45 PM
hey i wasnt insulting anyone, nevermind, and yes i do stick to my story that there are a lot of bulgarians who turned greek because they faced death, most of the bulgarian villiges were burnt down the people killed, those who werent killed were either forcefuly made greek or expelled, or some even voluntarily became greek so they could have privileges just like in the turkish times where some people turned muslim for the benefits and are muslim to this day.

Victor
12-06-2007, 10:53 PM
hey i wasnt insulting anyone, nevermind, and yes i do stick to my story that there are a lot of bulgarians who turned greek because they faced death, most of the bulgarian villiges were burnt down the people killed, those who werent killed were either forcefuly made greek or expelled, or some even voluntarily became greek so they could have privileges just like in the turkish times where some people turned muslim for the benefits and are muslim to this day.Not in western Macedonia they didnt.Youre obviously painfully ignorant of the history of that region.IF you insult me,my famiy and my people again with your b/s "story",I am not holding my tongue towards you.

Truth Bearer
12-07-2007, 02:45 AM
slavic wolf please mate don't be so delusional......The ones you're referring to are you brothers your own people the fyromians who are aghast at calling themselves slavic(which they are) Greece expelled just over 100,000 Bulgars b/w 1913 to 1928.All who wanted to stay obviously were Greeks just likme all the ones who stated in Bulgaria weren't Greeks but Bulgars.That's it lad don't over estimate yrself mate.....

slavicwolf
12-08-2007, 12:45 AM
i can clearly see this discussion is going nowhere, you guys are so ignorant its not funny, after the second balkan war when bulgaria capitulated there was a massive terror unleashed on our people in vardar macedonia by the traitor babunski and his chetniks, and in aegean macedonia by the greeks. villiges were burnt down and the people expelled.
in one instance in kavadarci in vardar macedonia babunski stood up with his chetniks and said to the people
"you are all old serbs, the bulgarians made you into bulgarians and now im here to convert you back to serbian and those who shall not will face out knives"
all the schools were changed from bulgarian to serbian or greek, the preists expelled or murdered, teachers faced the same fate.
so mr truth bearer dont tell me im delusional because all of the above are facts not something i made up on my own.

Victor
12-08-2007, 01:11 AM
i can clearly see this discussion is going nowhere, you guys are so ignorant its not funny, after the second balkan war when bulgaria capitulated there was a massive terror unleashed on our people in vardar macedonia by the traitor babunski and his chetniks, and in aegean macedonia by the greeks. villiges were burnt down and the people expelled.
in one instance in kavadarci in vardar macedonia babunski stood up with his chetniks and said to the people
"you are all old serbs, the bulgarians made you into bulgarians and now im here to convert you back to serbian and those who shall not will face out knives"
all the schools were changed from bulgarian to serbian or greek, the preists expelled or murdered, teachers faced the same fate.
so mr truth bearer dont tell me im delusional because all of the above are facts not something i made up on my own.Yes yes,we know,it was massive terror in Greece and Serbia,heaven on earth in Bulgaria.:rolleyes:

Truth Bearer
12-08-2007, 02:34 AM
Terror and ethnic cleansing was done all over the Balkans Bulgaria did it to the Greeks we did it the Bulgars the Turks did it to us and you and we and you did it to the Turks.Nationalism reared its ugly head all over Europe slaviwolf go read Romania,Hungary,Poland,Ukraine that's the dad and tragic reality mate.I'm not denying we didn't especially in the Kilkis region but the ethnic cleansing was done b/w our countries and the people who belonged to those various etnicities.Youi must also remember that over 50,000 Greek speakers were ethnic cleansed out of Bulgaria to Greece.Bulgaria did it to Romanian and vis versa please slavic wolf don't make out the Bulgars were the only victims here in the Balkans.Please I implore you go read a book on the Balkans.

Truth Bearer
12-08-2007, 02:34 AM
Here isa list I got from someone else.I have only read a few of them.

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Barker, Elizabeth Macedonia, its place in Balkan power politics (1950)
Brailsford, Henry Noel Macedonia: its races and their future (1971 reprint, 1906)
Cansule, Vangja From recognition to repudiation: Bulgarian attitudes on the Macedonian question (1972)
Cepraganov, Todor Great Britain and Macedonian national question (1997)
Cowan, Jane K. Macedonia: the politics of identity and difference (2000)
Dakin, Douglas The Greek struggle in Macedonia, 1897-1913 (1966)
Danforth, Loring M. The Macedonian conflict: ethnic nationalism in a transnational world (1995)
Dimitrov, Evgeni (editor) Macedonia and its relations with Greece (1993)
Georgiev, Velichko/Trifonov, S. Greek and Serbian propagandas in Macedonia (1995)
Kofos, Evangelos Nationalism and communism in Macedonia (1964)
Kolisevski, Lazar Aspects of the Macedonian question (1980)
Kondis, Basil The "Macedonian Question" as a Balkan problem in the 1940's (1987)
Kondis, Basil Resurgent irredentism: documents on Skopje "Macedonian" national aspirations, 1934-1992 (1993)
Lange-Akhund, Nadine The Macedonian question, 1893-1908, from Western sources (1998)
MacColl, Malcolm The Eastern Question, its facts and fallacies: with a map (1877) (back then it wasnt even called the Macedonian question)
Marriott, J. A. R. The Eastern question: an historical study in European diplomacy (1940 4th edition/1924/1918/1917 1st edition)
Michev, Dobrin The Macedonian question in the Bulgarian-Yugoslav relations (1994)
Mikhailov, Ivan Macedonia: a Switzerland of the Balkans (1950)
Mikhailov, Ivan Stalin and the Macedonian question (1948)
Misirkov, Krste On Macedonian matters (1974 reprint, 1903) <translated by Alan McConnell>
Modes, Georgios Ho Makedonikos agon kai neotere Makedonike historia (1967) <the Macedonian Struggle and modern Macedonian history>

Naltsas, Christophoros A. O Makedonikos agon eis ten Dytiken Makedonian (1958) <the Macedonian Struggle in West Macedonia>
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Palmer, Stephen E. Yugoslav communism and the Macedonian question (1971)
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Pettifer, James The new Macedonian question (1999)
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Tsontos
12-08-2007, 04:51 AM
we didnt suck you just couldnt do it yourselves and needed other countries help. but times change and we dont forget :)

The Macedonian struggle of 1904-1908 was won by Greeks. Bulgaria had a superpower (Tsarist Russia) bankrolling and arming their bands and the Greeks, who had no friends and had their hands full in Crete, Epirus and other places, still won.

Paulos Melas
12-09-2007, 02:34 PM
And we are still about to do so against the skopian travesty and their hilarious claims against our Macedonian Lands and Legacy.

Paulos Melas
12-09-2007, 02:56 PM
By Neil MacDonald in Belgrade and James Blitz in London
(The Financial Times Ltd)
updated 2:41 p.m. ET Dec. 9, 2007
Kosovo's Albanian majority has begun a critical week in its relations with Serbia by insisting that it will not press ahead with a declaration of independence without co-ordinating the move with the European Union.

As EU foreign ministers prepare to meet in Brussels on Monday to begin planning their strategy after the failure of United Nations-*endorsed talks on a settlement, the Kosovar Albanian leadership is making clear that it is prepared to delay an independence declaration until at least March 2008.

Despite fears that failure to agree a negotiated settlement between Serbia and the Kosovo majority by Monday's deadline could lead to ethnic clashes in the region, Hashim Thaci, the former guerrilla leader who is widely expected to be Kosovo's future prime minister, has acknowledged that independence may have to wait.

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Asked how he viewed the EU's role in co-ordinating Kosovo's future independence declaration, Mr Thaci told the Financial Times: "The EU is the key. We are for a co-ordinated declaration of independence. For us recognition is as important as the declaration."

He went on to acknowledge that Brussels would be the main source of badly needed aid for an independent Kosovo, and that a declaration of independence by parliament could be delayed until March.

Azem Vllasi, a senior Kosovar Albanian political adviser, also acknowledged the need to delay independence. "We don't have to hurry with the act immediately after December 10," he told the FT. "These steps must be in agreement with western countries, and all the signs from western countries are that independence is a thing we can make."

Despite these assurances, EU foreign ministers meet in Brussels amid considerable anxiety over whether Serbia and the Kosovar Albanians are near a new round of violence that would expose the limits of a common EU foreign policy in the Balkans.

In a sign of how precarious the situation in the region has become, General Sir Mike Jackson, the former UK army chief in Kosovo, said the situation in the province was "a mess" that threatened to spill over into ethnic violence again.

In an article in Britain's Sunday Telegraph, Sir Mike said Kosovo presented a diplomatic and military minefield in which all parties must "tread carefully".

A three-person troika - representing the EU, Russia and the US - will formally tell the UN today that the talks between Serbia and the Kosovar Albanians have failed. Deadlock will be reinforced at the UN next week when Russia, which is firmly allied with Belgrade, will call for negotiations to continue, while the US, UK and France will say they are now prepared to recognise independence for Kosovo.

At meetings of EU foreign ministers and heads of government this week, the critical challenge will be to set out a broad direction for Kosovo that unites the EU while also helping ensure stability in the region.

EU leaders are expected to declare at their summit on Friday that negotiations are over and that the future of both Serbia and Kosovo lies in the European Union.

They are also likely to confirm they are willing to dispatch police and justice missions and appoint a high representative to oversee Kosovo if asked by the Kosovo Albanian government and the UN secretary-general.

The bigger challenge for the EU is to get all 27 member states to back Kosovo's independence. Four or five EU members, notably Cyprus and Greece, have misgivings about recognising a unilateral declaration of independence by the Kosovo Albanians, partly out of fear of a precedent for ethnic or national groups at home.

As a result, EU leaders are likely to avoid making a commitment to the independence question this week, focusing on language they can agree on.

EU diplomats believe it is crucial that the Kosovar Albanians co-ordinate their move towards independence with Brussels if they are to avoid creating a damaging split within the EU.

Road ahead

Monday, December 10 The EU, Russia and the US report to the UN Security Council with the results of the 120-day talks they have chaired between Serbia and the Kosovo Albanians. The troika will report that attempts to negotiate a settlement have failed.

December 13-14 EU heads of government in Brussels will discuss the situation. The EU will, at the very least, reinforce its message that Kosovo must co-ordinate the timing of its declaration of independence with the US and EU.

December 19 The Security Council will debate the future of Kosovo. The US, UK and France are expected to indicate backing for a future declaration of independence. Russia will probably say it wants negotiations to continue.

2008 A declaration of independence by Kosovo is likely to come in the first months of the year.

(Copyright The Financial Times Ltd. All rights reserved.)

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Kosovars are backing off asking for EU support. Apparently they have realised that with only atlantic support they go nowhere.
It will be a great acheivement for EU to agree on the support of Kosovo independence particularly due to Greek and Spanish objections.
It will not happen and kosovo wouldn t be able to support a unilateral but isolated independence
Henceforth the kosovars apparently create the appropriate time frame for a comprimise.

Paulos Melas
12-09-2007, 03:04 PM
It is in fact the first time that indirectly the kosovar leadership sets a prerequiste for their independence-that of the support of EU. It is obvious that if this support does not meet they will claim that although highly desirable the cost of independence would be a heavy burden for kosovo to bear on its own, and that they will follow real politics and take the best that they can : an HK type broad autonomy that will grant all the privileges of an independent state but always as a region of Serbia.
Those are all the signs so far at least

Galandar
03-15-2008, 03:39 AM
I can't say nothing for the future problem of FYROM with albanian population, but i don't believe albanians can be a problem minority for Greece. Albanians in FYROM are a great part of this country. I suppose they are officially 1/4 of population, but some 1/3 non-officially. And i am very interested in birth rate of albanians and makedonians. Is there a big difference between them?

Paulos Melas
03-15-2008, 10:07 AM
We have albanians immigrants not albanian minority.

Galandar
03-15-2008, 04:34 PM
We have albanians immigrants not albanian minority.

Yes i know :)

Paulos Melas
03-16-2008, 07:43 AM
Galandar I see you use the flag of Azerbaijan. Are you from Baku?

Galandar
03-16-2008, 08:57 AM
Galandar I see you use the flag of Azerbaijan. Are you from Baku?

I am from Ganca. It is the second biggest city after Baku, located in the west part of Azerbaijan. But i studied at university in Baku. Now i am in NYC untill the end of May.

Truth Bearer
03-16-2008, 09:43 AM
What are you studying Galandar?
P.S What is Galandar ??

Galandar
03-16-2008, 09:48 AM
What are you studying Galandar?
P.S What is Galandar ??

Galandar is my name:blush: I graduated from The Demaprtment of International Relations and International Law at Baku State University; i have LLM in International Law.

ZZm
03-25-2008, 07:00 PM
Hello my neighboring friends(I hope in the future). When I first entered here I didn't know that it was a greek-macedonian forum(I was looking for macedonian forum) so don't worry I will delete my account here after this comment.
I'm glad that you discuss about the real treat in the balkan. They are the real treat for you and me, not the name of my country. Nobody here in Macedonia don't think that someday we will march in aegean Macedonia, pirin Macedonia and the small part that is in Albania by force i unity in ONE or in some other way retake what was once ours! The great problem are the albanians, especially those in Kosovo. I fear for my country safety and if they somehow beat us, don't be very naive that it won't happen to you! The local politicians that are albanians are twisting the history and they wanna build museums of the Prizren League and some fashists 'heroes' and they are putting ideas in common men that they have a historical right of those teritories.You know what kind of people they are because they live in Greece too(and in great numbers too,don't fall for the lies of your government that they are in small numbers, just like there are no minorities in Greece besides some muslims) . We should unity against this common evil and put our petty differences aside cause in reality they don't really matter. History should be left to historians and to be treated more like a philosophy from which we could learn about our mistakes. Only that matters is the present and the future. We have more in common with each other then we all think. Even thou I'm a patriot and I love my country, I listen music from greek musicians like Yanni and Vangelis and I respect greek culture a lot. And like Yanni said once when he was asked does he feel like a american or a greek, and he answered:'First of all I'm human, then I'm ...' , and maybe my favourite quote once said by the great macedonian revolutionary Gotze Delchev:'I under stand the world like a field for cultural competition between the nations'.And I will live you here.

Bye

Lume
09-18-2008, 10:12 PM
I have read some coments and i must say i am amased how stupid people can be?!!First of all its not Great Albania its Ethnic Albania or Natural Albania, and if u think that we are making plans day and night how to unite u are wrong!!Kosova has allways been albanian(read the f... history)and it was under serbian ocupation witch was so cruel and meaningless!!aLBANIANS IN fyrom consist over 40% of the population and yet we are living in the fyromian dream of pure makedonija(-:...this is what couses albanian nationalism, the need for freedom and not creating great albania!If i am a nationalist it is only because i love nation and i wish the best for my nation,not because i hate other nations,because i really dont!!Now fyromians base their hole existence on hating albanians,serbians are well known for what thay did in bosnia and kosova.Are u Greeks the same??!!

Lume
09-18-2008, 10:21 PM
AFTER KOSOVO
Western Macedonia, Illirida, and Greater Albania
By Carl Savich

When spring comes, we will manure the plains of Kosovo with the bones of Serbs…
-Isa Boletini, Kosovar political leader, 1913


The Serbian population of Kosovo should be removed as soon as possible. Serbian settlers should be killed.
-Mustafa Kruja, Nazi-fascist Prime Minister of Greater Albania, June, 1942


The time has come to exterminate the Serbs. There will be no Serbs under the Kosovo sun.
-Ferat-bey Draga, Nazi-fascist Kosovar Muslim political leader, 1943



The Greater Albania ideology envisions not only Kosovo and Metohija as integral part of a Greater Ethnic Albania, but also Western Macedonia, or Illirida. The basis for the Greater Albania strategy can be found in the 1878 League of Prizren. The map and borders for the future Greater Albania were determined by the Ottoman Turkish vilayet system. Kosovo and Metohija and Western Macedonia were part of the Kosovo vilayet. The capital of the Kosovo vilayet was Skopje.
Kosovo-Metohija is not the end of the Greater Albania ideology, but only the beginning. Western Macedonia is central in the Greater Albania goal to create an Ethnic or Greater Albania. Albanian separatism begins with Kosovo, but does not end there. Western Macedonia, or Illirida, and Southern Serbia, or Preseheva, are integral parts of an Ethnic Albania under the Greater Albania ideology. They are the next targets, after Kosovo, of Albanian separatism. Western Macedonia and Southern Serbia were part of the Kosovo vilayet in Ottoman Turkey. During World Wear II, the Kosovo vilayet was incorporated into a Greater Albania. The goal of Albanian separatism is to incorporate all the territory of the former Kosovo vilayet into a Greater or Ethnic Albania.

The Kosovo Vilayet

In 1877, Ottoman Turkey created the Vilayet or province of Kosovo, or “Kossovo”, in European Turkey or Turkey in Europe, which consisted of the sandzak or district of Skopje, or Uskub, in Macedonia, and the sandzaks of Prizren in Kosovo and Novi Pazar in the Sandzak or Rashka region of Serbia. The Kosovo vilayet was a product of the 1864 Ottoman Turkish law that reorganized the standard provincial administration throughout the Ottoman empire. The eyalets, the Turkish provinces, were restructured as smaller vilayets under a governor or a vali. The valis were appointed by the Turkish government. New provincial assemblies, however, were allowed to participate in the administration. The vilayets were subdivided into sandzaks or districts headed by a bey or beg.

The Albanian leaders of the 1878 League of Prizren, when the Greater Albania ideology was formulated, demanded that Turkey attach or annex the vilayet of Kosovo to a Greater Albania. The Ottoman Turkish government rejected the creation of a Greater Albania, which resulted in an Albanian insurgency to expel the Turks and to create a Greater Albania on their own.





Mustafa Kruja, fascist Prime Minister of Greater Albania, 1942, called for the extermination of the Kosovo Serb population.




The British Consul in Albania, Sir William Kirby-Green, described the Prizren League in an 1880 report as follows: “[T]he Albanian League is an organization of the most fanatical Muslims in the country. Those people are now taken up with extreme religious fanaticism and hatred of Christians. With the exception perhaps of Mecca, Prizren is the most dangerous spot for a Christian to be in all Mohammedan countries.” The goal to create a Greater Albania failed when Turkish military forces put down the rebellion. The Greater Albania ideology, however, endured and evolved.
Isa Boletini or Iso Boljetinac (1864-1916), was a “Kosovar” Albanian ultra-nationalist who waged a long-standing battle to create a Greater Albania consisting of Kosovo-Metohija and Illirida. Boletini was born in the northern Kosovo village of Boletin, near Kosovska Mitrovica. Boletini was a committed Albanian nationalist who sought to implement the Greater Albania ideology through force. The 1878 Prizren League had the goal to create a Greater Albania out of the Kosovo vilayet, which would entail the annexation of Kosovo-Metohija and Western Macedonia, or Illirida, to a Greater Albania.

Boletini was an ideologue of the 1878 League of Prizren. He wanted to advance the primary political goals of the Prizren League to unite the four Ottoman Turkish vilayets with an Albanian population into a united Greater or Ethnic Albania. Boletini joined the Albanian Prizren League forces at the age of 17, and fought in the battle of Slivovo valley in central Kosovo against the Ottoman Turkish forces to establish a Greater Albania by military force. Boletini had a life-long commitment to the creation of a Greater Albania. As a Kosovar, his primary goal was to achieve the annexation of Kosovo-Metohija to Albania.




In 1912, Kosovar political leader Isa Boletini, front and to the right: "In the spring, we will manure the plains of Kosovo with the bones of Serbs."



Boletini openly advocated the genocide, expulsion, and ethnic cleansing of the Kosovo Serb population. In 1913, when leaving the Ambassador’s Conference in London, Boletini stated: “When spring comes, we will manure the plains of Kosovo with the bones of Serbs, for we, Albanians, have suffered too much to forget." This is an open call for the genocide of Kosovo Serbs. Boletini, the political and military leader of Kosovo Albanians, and himself a so-called Kosovar, announced openly a plan for the ethnic cleansing and expulsion and genocide of the Kosovo Serb population. This open advocacy of genocide is ignored and covered-up by Greater Albania ultra-nationalists and their supporters, such as Canadian Robert Elsie, who is one of the key propagandists of a Greater Albania. Elsie studied in West Germany and worked for the German Ministry of Foreign Affairs from 1982 to 1987 in Bonn. A so-called Albanian specialist, Elsie has written extensively in support of a Greater Albania that would include the Serbian province of Kosovo-Metohija. Instead, they focus on the alleged statements made by Belgrade university professor Vaso Cubrilovic, a Bosnian by birth, for the expulsion of Albanians.
In fact, it was Boletini who announced openly the plan of the Kosovar Albanian political leaders for the expulsion and genocide of Kosovo Serbs. Boletini regarded talk as cheap. For Boletini, borders were created from the end of a barrel of a gun. He didn’t waste his time with academic “memorandums”.

In August, 1912, his forces took over Skopje, the capital of the Kosovo vilayet, pursuant to his plans to annex Western Macedonia to Albania. Boletini created a Greater Albania. He demanded the creation of a Greater Albania and diplomatic recognition. During World War I, he was a proxy for Austria-Hungary and Germany and joined the terrorist, separatist Kachak movement to make Kosovo and Western Macedonia a part of a Greater Albania. He was killed on January 23, 1916 by Montenegrin forces when he tried to seize Podgorica, the capital of Montenegro, as a proxy for the Austro-Hungarian army, which was the major sponsor of a Greater Albania at that time.

In 1905, the population of the Kosovo vilayet was approximately 1,100,000. The total area of the vilayet was 12,700 sq. m. The population consisted of Serbs, Bulgarians, Macedonians, Albanians, Greeks, Turks, Vlachs, and Roma. There were good roads that ran through Skopje and a railway from Salonika that ran north and divided at Skopje, the capital of the vilayet. One branch traversed to Kosovska Mitrovica and the other to Nis in Serbia. The vilayet was rich in minerals and there were many mines. In 1907, there were two chrome mines in the vilayet, at Orasje and Verbestica, near Strpce in southern Kosovo.





Kosovo vilayet, 1881-1912




The Kosovo vilayet was one of the most productive agricultural regions of the Ottoman Empire. The exports from the Kosovo vilayet consisted chiefly of livestock, fruit, grain, tobacco, vegetables, opium, hemp and skins. The value of the exports was 950,000 pounds. Rice was grown primarily for domestic consumption. Two-thirds of exports and imports from the Kosovo vilayet passed through Salonika; one-third was with Serbia, where goods were transported by railway.
The capital of the Kosovo vilayet was Skopje, which had a population of 32,000. at that time. Prizren in Kosovo had a population of 30,000, Veles or Koprulu in Turkish, 22,000, Stip or Ishtip in Turkish, 21,000, Novi Pazar 12,000, and Pristina 11,000.

In the medieval period, the area encompassed in the vilayet formed part of the Serbian state, the northern districts known as Old Serbia, or Stara Srbija. The plain of Kosovo, Kosovo Polje, “Field of Blackbirds ", is a long valley which is located west of Pristina. The Sibnica River, a tributary of the Ibar River, flows into the Kosovo Polje Valley.

Nazi Greater Albania, 1941-1944

The precedent for a Greater Albania was set from 1941 to 1944 by Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini who created a Greater Albania during World War II. Western Macedonia, or Illirida, was annexed to Greater Albania. Tetovo, Debar, Gostivar, Struga, and Kichevo were the key Macedonian towns and cities that were incorporated into a Greater Albania. From June 29, 1941 to October, 1944, Debar was part of Greater Albania.

The Italian occupation authorities relegated the civil authority and administration to the Albanian population. In Debar, Halil Alia was a key collaborator with the Italian and German occupation forces. All Albanian-inhabited territories, Western Macedonia, Illirida, Kosovo-Metohija, Kosova, and southern Montenegro, were integrated completely into Albania proper. Albanian language schools, an Albanian press, and an Albanian radio network were established. An Albanian proxy governmental and political administration was created. Vulnetara, an Albanian paramilitary formation, was organized. Albanian police units were established by the Italian occupation forces.





Macedonian Ljuboten Battalion with Redzep Jusufi formed by fascist and Nazi occupation forces in the Tetovo region.




Albanian became the official language as Western Macedonia or Illirida became a part of Albania. The Albanian national flag, the double-headed black eagle on a red background, was raised in Debar and other cities and towns in Western Macedonia. The Albanian Lek was introduced as the official currency. Eastern Macedonia was occupied by Bulgarian military forces.
The Italian military intelligence service, OVRA (Opera Volantario per la Regressione Dell’ Autifascismo), formed an independent battalion in occupied Tetovo. The battalion was named “Ljuboten”, a special unit made up of ethnic Albanians in the Tetovo region. The Ljuboten Battalion was financed from Tetovo municipal funds made available by Dzafer Sulejmani, the president of the Tetovo district under Italian occupation.

Gajur Derala, who had been born in Tetovo, was instrumental in the formation of the fascist Albanian Ljuboten Battalion in Tetovo. Derala had studied at the Yugoslav military academy before the war but had maintained contacts with Italian intelligence, OVRA. He subsequently fled to Albania and enlisted as a regular soldier in the Albanian army under King Zog. After the Italian occupation of Albania in 1939, he became an officer in the fascist Italian occupation forces. He became a committed fascist and swore his allegiance to Benito Mussolini.

He returned to Tetovo in 1941 as part of the Italian occupation forces. Derala was the commander of the Ljuboten Battalion as a captain second class. Redzep Jusufi was also a key member of the Ljuboten Battalion. Jusufi had studied at Rome and Padua before returning to Tetovo to join the Battalion. Derala sought to form a Ljuboten Division and instructed hodza or Muslim cleric Bajrem Iljaziju from Gostivar to mobilize Albanian Muslims for the proposed division. This plan was not approved from Tirana so it was not carried out.





Albanian plis or skullcap showing Nazi SS insignia on member of the Nazi Skanderbeg SS Division.




The Albanian recruits in the Battalion had no formal military training. What bound the Albanian recruits together was nationalism and an ideological commitment to creating a Greater Albania.
The Italian-created Albanian Axis/fascist Ljuboten Battalion was given the task to uncover, question, and annihilate any resistance to the occupation. After the surrender of Italy in September 8, 1943, the German forces retained this Albanian formation allowing the unit to keep their Italian-issued uniforms and weapons. Members of the Balli Kombetar later joined the Ljuboten battalion. At the end of 1943, the Ljuboten unit was engaged in the attack on Kichevo in Macedonia. The German occupation forces used the Ljuboten Battalion, augmented by additional troops from the Balli Kombetar, to attack and dislodge partisan units in Kichevo. Kichevo was held by Petar Brajovic who commanded the partisan First Kosovo-Macedonian Brigade. The partisan forces intercepted the Ljuboten Battalion at Bukovici and decimated it.

The Italian occupation of Western Macedonia allowed the Albanian population to create an ethnic Albanian-ruled region. Albanian police and paramilitary units were formed as a proxy army by the Italian forces. The civil administration was entrusted by the Italians to Albanian leaders. Albanian became the official language. The civil and police administration was taken over by ethnic Albanians; Albanian schools, newspapers, and radio stations were established. Debar was transformed into Dibra, an Albanian city in Greater Albania.

The German occupation forces retained the Albanian civil, political, military, and police control and administration of Western Macedonia. The Albanian national flag was flown, the official language was Albanian, and the Albanian Lek remained the official currency in Illirida. The Germans retained the incorporation of Western Macedonia and Kosovo-Metohija into a Greater Albania. Rejeb Bey Mitrovica, however, was replaced by Fikri Dine as the Prime Minister of the Greater Albanian state occupied by the German Wehrmacht. The Albanian Minister of the Interior was Dzafer Deva, an Albanian Muslim from Kosovo. Mustafa Kruja and Mehdi Bey Frasheri also held high positions in the Albanian regime. Ernst Kaltenbrunner, who had replaced Reinhard Heydrich as the leader of the SD, was instrumental in setting up the Albanian Nazi Party, which replaced the Albanian Fascist Party that the Italian authorities had set up previously. Much of the civilian and military administration was exercised by ethnic Albanians during both the Italian and German occupations.

One battalion of the Skanderbeg Nazi SS Division was formed in Debar. A pioneer or engineer battalion from the Skanderbeg Division was based in Gostivar. In Tetovo, there were a total of 1,500 ethnic Albanian Waffen SS troops, members of the 1st Regiment of the Skanderbeg SS Division. What motivated the Albanian troops in Skanderbeg from Macedonia was the ideology of Greater Albania, the annexation of Western Macedonia, which they called Illirida, into a Greater or Ethnic Albania. These units fought against Macedonian and Kosovo partisan forces.




Members of the Nazi Skanderbeg SS Division with an Albanian Ushtar or gendarme.



In Debar, there were 900 Albanian SS troops, in Gostivar, there were 1,000 Albanian SS troops, while in Struga there were 100. In Kichevo, there were 1,500 Albanian SS troops. The total number of Albanian SS troops in Western Macedonia was 5,000.
The Albanians made up the police force in Western Macedonia: In Debar, there were 16 members of the police force, in Gostivar 10, in Struga 11, in Tetovo 16, and in Kichevo, 5.

There were a total of 5,500 members of the Balli Kombetar in Macedonia, 2,000 of which were based in Tetovo. There were a total of 250 Albanian gendarme units, or armed police units, in Tetovo. An Albanian Battalion for Security made up of 800 members was based in Tetovo. In addition, there were 80 Albanian troops and border guards. The total number of Albanian police and paramilitary units in Tetovo during the German occupation was 4,646.

There were 300 German occupation troops stationed in Debar during World War II. There were 500 members of the Balli Kombetar in Debar. There were 200 Albanian gendarmes or police in Debar along with seven German Gestapo agents. The German Army only had 450 German troops and three Gestapo agents in Tetovo and a total of 2,180 troops and 34 Gestapo agents in all of Western Macedonia. Instead, the German occupation forces created a proxy army and police staff made up of ethnic Albanians, collaborationists who acted as the proxies for the German military forces. Like the Italian occupation forces had done before them, the German military was able to use the Albanian police and paramilitary forces as a proxy force.

Debar and Greater Albania

Debar, known also as Bebar, Dibre-i-Bala, Dibra, was located in northwestern Macedonia, near the border with Albania proper. Debar was a key area of conflict during World War II and saw the deployment of the Skanderbeg SS Division. The Debar region was a focal point for the Greater Albania ideology in Western Macedonia.

Debar was referred to for the first time in the mid-2nd century in a map by Ptolemy as Deborus. In the time of the Byzantine Empire in the 11th century, under the rule of Emperor Basil II, in the charter, Debar is recorded as a settlement in the Archbishopric of Bitola. In 1107, Bohemond of Antioch captured Debar during the First Crusade. In the 13th and 14th centuries, Debar was at various times a part of Serbia, Bulgaria, and the Byzantine Empire. In 1449, Debar fell under the Ottoman Turkish Empire and was referred to as Dibri or Debra by the Turks. In 1502, Felix Petancic recorded the town as Dibri in his itinerary notes. In the 15th century, Gjergj Kastrioti, known as Skanderbeg, after whom the Nazi SS Division was named, fought Ottoman Turkish forces in several major battles near Debar, which was an important frontline. Wealthy Turkish Agas and Beys lived in the town as well.

It was an important urban center in the medieval era and was a key trading outpost. It developed a crafts industry. Many merchants and travelers stopped in the town for lodging. There was a carsija or market bazaar or pazar in the town center as was common in all Turkish towns. There were shops and stalls to sell vegetables, fruit, and wares. It had narrow and curved streets and many inns, which was also typical in Turkish towns. The houses built in Debar had “dolapi”, wardrobe cabinets, “minderlaci”, closets, and “chardaci”, enclosed porches on the second story of Turkish houses. The town was divided into a Lower and Upper Debar. It was noted for its craftsmen, builders, and woodcarvers.

In the 19th century, there were rebellions against the Turks in Macedonia. In March, 1822, Atanas Karatase and Angel Gacho led the Negush Uprising in which the town of Negush was seized. The Ottoman Turks retook the town and took away the women and children, who were resettled in other parts of Macedonia.

In the first half of the 19th century, Ami Boue (1794-1881), a noted German-born geologist who lived in France and was naturalized an Austrian citizen, traveled to the Balkans and sketched out detailed maps in his book La Turquie d’Europe, which was published in 1840 in Paris. Boue traveled to Debar and other parts of Macedonia and noted that Debar had a population of 4,200 in the early 19th century with 64 shops. By 1900, the population of Debar had increased to 15,500, which declined after World War I. In 1878, Albanian leaders from Debar participated in the Second League of Prizren in Kosovo, which enunciated a plan for the creation of an Ethnic or Greater Albania.

From June 29, 1941 to October, 1944, Debar and Struga were annexed to and made part of a Greater Albania created by Italy and Germany. From September 8, 1943 to November, 1944, German forces occupied the Italian areas once Italy surrendered. Debar thus came under German occupation at this time. The Italians integrated Debar into an Ethnic or Greater Albania in 1941 and placed the town under Italian and Albanian occupation and civil and military administration. The Macedonian Slavic population fled the Albanian and Italian occupation, especially due to the terror and intimidation by local Albanian and Italian occupation forces. Macedonian refugees from Debar fled to Skopje which was under Bulgarian occupation. A refugee area for Macedonians fleeing from Debar was established in Skopje called Debarsko Maalo, or the Debar Neighborhood.

The nearby towns and villages are Susica, Trnanic, Selokuki in the west, Krivci in the north, Vlasiki and Rajicki in the south, and Tatar Elevci in the east. The Radika and Crni Drim rivers flow near the town, which is surrounded by the Desat, Stogovo, and Jablanica mountains. There are nearby springs at Debarska Banja and gypsum crystal deposits.

Debar has remained a volatile region of Albanian separatism and a base for Greater Albania ultra-nationalism. The KLA had bases around Debar in the late 1990s during the terrorist/separatist war in Kosovo-Metohija. The Debar region was important in the re-emergence of the Greater Albania ideology in the 1990s when a Greater Albania consisting of Kosovo-Metohija and Western Macedonia was being reconstructed.

Illirida and the Skanderbeg SS Division

The surrender of Italy on September 3, 1943 forced Germany to re-occupy Debar and Western Macedonia. The German forces wanted to recruit and enlist ethnic Albanians into proxy armies that would assist the German occupation. The Germans retained the Albanian “Ljuboten” Battalion initially formed by the Italian occupation forces. The Waffen SS sought to incorporate the Albanian manpower of the region into Waffen SS formations, as a German proxy army to maintain the military occupation of the Macedonian and Serbian Orthodox Slavic populations.




Kosovar Albanian ultra-nationalists decapitated a Kosovo Serb in Pec, who is prepared for burial. Only the head was found. Pec, Kosovo, late 1800s.



In 1943, the German occupation authorities sponsored the formation of the Second League of Prizren, reviving the 1878 League. The Germans sought to use the racist, extremist, anti-democratic, anti-Orthodox, anti-Slavic agenda of the Greater Albania ideology to maintain and support their occupation of Kosovo and Western Macedonia. Bedri Pejani, the president of the central committee of the Second League of Prizren, a militant and extremist Greater Albania ideologue, even wrote Himmler personally to request his assistance in establishing a Greater Albania and volunteering Albanian troops to work jointly with the Waffen SS and German Wehrmacht. Himmler read the Pejani letter and agreed to form two ethnic Albanian Waffen SS Divisions. Like Hitler and Mussolini, Himmler became an active sponsor of the Greater Albania ideology.
On April 17, 1944, Adolf Hitler approved the formation of the Albanian Skanderbeg SS Division after Reichsfuehrer SS Heinrich Himmler had requested it. The SS Main Office envisioned an Albanian division of 10,000 troops. The Balli Kombetar (National Front), the Albanian Committees, and the Second League of Prizren submitted the names of 11,398 recruits for the division. Of these, 9,275 were determined to be suitable for drafting into the Waffen SS. Of this number, 6,491 ethnic Albanians were actually drafted into the Waffen SS.

There was a battalion of Albanian Muslims from Debar which made up the Skanderberg SS Division. A reinforced battalion of approximately 200-300 ethnic Albanians, the III/Waffen Gebirgsjaeger Regiment 50, serving in the Bosnian Muslim 13th Waffen Gebirgs Division der SS “Handzar” or “Handschar” were transferred to the newly forming division. To this Albanian core were added veteran German troops from Austria and Volksdeutsche officers, NCOS, and enlisted men. The total strength of the Albanian Waffen SS Division would be 8,500-9,000 men.

Operation Fox Hunt

At the end of June, 1944, Enver Hoxha’s partisan units launched an offensive against Debar, where a strong German garrison was stationed along with Balli Kombetar troops. What resulted from the attack is Fikri Dine becoming the Prime Minister of the German-sponsored Greater Albania. Dine was himself from the Debar area and was the leader of the Albanian clan chieftains in Debar. He took an active role in the German offensives against partisans in his own area of Debar in late 1943.





On right, Walter Schaumuller, commander of 5./28 of the Nazi SS Division Handzar, which was a unit made up of Kosovar Albanian Muslims. He is wearing the Albanian plis or skull cap created by the SS Main Office for Kosovar Albanians in the SS. Bosnia, 1944.




The German occupation forces accepted Dine with some hesitation but rejected his choice of Fuat Dibra as regent. On July 2, 1944, the German authorities forced the Albanian Parliament to elect Cafo Bey Ulqini, an Albanian Muslim from Kosovo. The Germans relied increasingly on Kosovo Albanian Muslims to run Greater Albania because they were the most fanatical and militant in creating a Greater Albania which Nazi Germany sponsored. The German occupation forces understood that the way to ensure Albanian loyalty and to recruit Albanian proxies was to advocate the annexation of Kosovo and Western Macedonia to a Greater Albania. Consequently, the most committed supporters of the Nazi occupation forces were Kosovo Albanian Muslims and Balli Kombetar members. The three main German occupation leaders in Albania were SS leader Josef Fitzthum, Austrian diplomatic troubleshooter Hermann Neubacher, and Martin Schliep of the German Foreign Ministry in Albania.
The new Dine administration alienated the German occupation forces by excluding Dzafer Deva from the new Cabinet. Deva was instrumental in the creation of the Nazi German-sponsored Second League of Prizren and was crucial in organizing the formation of the Skanderbeg SS Division. Deva was also a Kosovo Albanian Muslim who was committed to the Nazi cause because of his objective to create a Greater Albania. The German forces saw the move as threatening the security of the German army in Greater Albania and of endangering German war aims. The German occupation provided the only stability and control in Greater Albania. Moreover, the removal of Deva threatened the formation of the Skanderbeg SS Division. The goal of the Dine regime was to create a viable military force under German control.

Partisan units were operating in the Debar and Mati regions. Dine requested that the Germans provide him with weapons and tanks to create two mountain divisions. The partisan resistance forces were gaining in strength as the German defeat became more and more certain with each passing day. By the end of July, German and Zogist forces attacked Mehmet Shehu’s first partisan brigade at Debar and drove them deep into Macedonia. The resistance forces, however, were weakened by an arms embargo that the British had imposed. British liaison officers reported that the Debar engagement was directed primarily against German forces and convinced British headquarters based in Bari to re-supply the partisan forces. By the end of July, British aircraft resumed weapons drops to the partisan forces around Debar. British RAF Beaufighter aircraft bombed Debar from August 10 to 11. The partisans were able to take Debar.

The German forces and Dine planned a counteroffensive to retake Debar known as Fall Fuchsjagd or Operation Fox Hunt. The Germans launched the counterattack on August 18. The joint German and Albanian offensive was made up of two German regiments, the Skanderbeg SS Division, a nationalist formation from Debar under the command of Halil Alia, who was a close collaborator with the Italian fascist occupation authorities and the German Nazi forces, and 800-1,000 militia members allied to Abaz Kupi.

The Albanian units performed poorly because they were demoralized and poorly trained. The Germans could not muster enough troops themselves. The Germans called off the offensive on August 27. By August 30, the German and Albanian forces were compelled to retreat from Debar. The German and Albanian forces suffered an estimated 400 killed. They also were forced to abandon equipment. The two-month battle over Debar was a defeat for the German and Albanian Axis troops. Operation Fox Hunt was a German/Albanian military disaster.

It was the last gasp of the German forces and their Albanian proxies to create a Greater Albania. Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini were unsuccessful in creating a Greater Albania.

Greater Albania Redux

The Greater Albania ideology was revived with the break-up of Yugoslavia. The United States became the new sponsor of a Greater or Ethnic Albania. The Nazi and fascist Greater Albania created by Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini remained a precedent and model. With US sponsorship, leadership, and organization, the Greater Albania ideology was revived. The US took the role that Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy had played in masterminding a Greater Albania. The US policy was to ensure ethnic Albanian control over Kosovo-Metohija and Western Macedonia, or Illirida. In 1999, the US unilaterally attacked and violated Yugoslavian sovereignty and occupied the Serbian province of Kosovo-Metohija using terrorist, separatist guerrillas as proxies, the so-called KLA. In 2001, the US sponsored and supported a terrorist guerrilla insurgency in Western Macedonia by the so-called NLA. The US policy was to sponsor a terrorist war to achieve Greater Albania. The result was the re-emergence of a Greater Albania. The objective is to make possible the realization of the 1878 League of Prizren goal to create a Greater Albania by attaching the territory of the former vilayet of Kosovo, Kosovo-Metohija and Western Macedonia, to Albania.

After Kosovo, Western Macedonia and Southern Serbia are the next targets of Albanian separatism and secession. Under the Greater Albania ideology, Illirida and Presheva are integral parts of a Greater or Ethnic Albania. What motivates Albanian separatism and ultra-nationalism is a goal to incorporate the territory of the former Kosovo vilayet into an Ethnic or Greater Albania. In the Greater Albania ideology, “Kosova” is only the beginning, not the end.

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After Kosovo: Western Macedonia, Illirida, and Greater Albania | Carl Savich | Columns | Serbianna.com (http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/074.shtml)

The person who wote this is serb or russian??!!!

Makedonia25
09-19-2008, 02:01 AM
I have read some coments and i must say i am amased how stupid people can be?!!First of all its not Great Albania its Ethnic Albania or Natural Albania, and if u think that we are making plans day and night how to unite u are wrong!!Kosova has allways been albanian(read the f... history)and it was under serbian ocupation witch was so cruel and meaningless!!aLBANIANS IN fyrom consist over 40% of the population and yet we are living in the fyromian dream of pure makedonija(-:...this is what couses albanian nationalism, the need for freedom and not creating great albania!If i am a nationalist it is only because i love nation and i wish the best for my nation,not because i hate other nations,because i really dont!!Now fyromians base their hole existence on hating albanians,serbians are well known for what thay did in bosnia and kosova.Are u Greeks the same??!!

Welcome to the forum Lume :)

You have to understand that Greece doesnt want a change of the current borders, neither does the EU (an institution that Albania is trying to be part of).. So forget about ethnic or natural Albania etc etc.. I'm sure that if Greeks have gotten over Ethnic Greece, Albanians will do the right thing and soon forget about Ethnic Albania..

I'm sure Albania knows that if they try and join up with Kosovo (which is the first step to Ethnic Albania), the shit will hit the fan and Kosovo will return to Serbia proper, as it should be..

Lume
09-20-2008, 03:08 PM
The problem in Fyrom is its leaders and the retarted propaganda that that they are makedones.If they had their slavic identity intact they could resist albanians and have a multitude of allies in this.
Hmm nice to know how the greek mind works,since u are the "creadle of civilisation"yeah right...very cvilised...allmost as civilised as ur "macedonian"brothers in fyrom!!!

Lume
09-20-2008, 03:14 PM
Welcome to the forum Lume :)

You have to understand that Greece doesnt want a change of the current borders, neither does the EU (an institution that Albania is trying to be part of).. So forget about ethnic or natural Albania etc etc.. I'm sure that if Greeks have gotten over Ethnic Greece, Albanians will do the right thing and soon forget about Ethnic Albania..

I'm sure Albania knows that if they try and join up with Kosovo (which is the first step to Ethnic Albania), the shit will hit the fan and Kosovo will return to Serbia proper, as it should be..

Ok whatever,everyone is intitled to have its own opinion!!But Kosova is albanian ok?!mark my words"albanian"!!and i was just explaining the diference betwen Great Albania and Ethnic Albania,and for ur information i want all the ballkans countries to join the EU so that we could all finally live like human without all this hate among us!!I am against the changing of borders if the price we have to pay is war!!But we definitly need a change....

UtdMacedonia
12-28-2008, 02:57 PM
Lume said there are 40% Albanians in the Republic of Macedonia.

Lume you are a very funny and entertaining man :)