These Funny Skopjans...

[Ptolemy]

I had already wrote elsewhere in the forum about the evidence of Skops about the 8-rayed and 16-rayed Macedonian Sunbursts they advertise in their propaganda site historyofMacedonia.org but i find out now some more infos.

historyofmacedonia org/Macedoniansymbols/MacedonianSun.html

Look what they have done.

Picture 1. http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/AncientMacedonia/images/vergina.jpg

I am afraid it was found in Vergina, Macedonia, Greece and not FYROM.:lol:

Picture 2.
http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/AncientMacedonia/images/sun1.jpg

Same as above. It was found in Vergina, Macedonia, Greece.

Picture 3.
http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/Macedoniansymbols/images/image001.gif

It was discovered inside the Macedonian tomb of Lysson and Kalikles which exists in Lefkadia, Macedonia, Greece. Bad luck for Skops. :lol:

Picture 4.
http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/Macedoniansymbols/images/image002.jpg

No info like all the above where it was taken from. A similar shield, slightly broken in one side, exists in a Greek Archaeological museum. ;)

Picture 5.
http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/Macedoniansymbols/images/image004.jpg

Skops forgot to mention it was taken from the church Panagia Peribleptos (St. Clement’s) in Ohrid. The limited size conveniently prohibits us from watching closely the Greek inscriptions of the icon like

http://www.soros.org.mk/konkurs/019/images/i03d2.jpg

Picture 6.
http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/Macedoniansymbols/images/Ikona2.jpg

This is part of the "Crucifixion". According to the Serbian account of "Icone, narodna knjiga Vuk Karazic Beograd" it was painted by an anonymous Greek iconographer in 13th c.

Picture 7.
http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/Macedoniansymbols/images/ICONA3.jpg

Do you know why the Skops have a limited size of this icon??? Simply because just right of this pic there is with Greek letters the word "Êå÷áñéôùìÃ�Ã*ç" since...the specific icon was also painted by a Greek iconographer. :lol:

Picture 8.
http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/Macedoniansymbols/images/icona5.jpg

Poor Skops, 'Panagia Pelagonitisa' 1422 was painted by the Greek iconographer Makarios.

[Draco]

Ptolemy, all (or nearly all) icons of the "Madonna and Child" have a star sign somewhere; there's no evidence it's a Vergina Star like they claim. Moreover, I have difficulty understanding what business does a "national symbol" have on a religious icon; have any other ethnic groups put national symbols on icons (even the double-headed eagle)?? I shouldn't be surprised though, this is typical thing Skopjian would say; I hear that they have religious icons of Alexander the Great and Philip! They're honoring pagans as Christian saints, the world is full of surprises!!

[Draco]

Look at these two Russian icons: exhibit A (http://www.arthit.ru/religious-icons/0051/icons-3.html) and exhibit B (http://www.therussianshop.com/russhop/icons/russianicons.htm). Are we sure that it's impossible that a star can be used as something other than the Vergina Star???

[Nikolaz]

Guys!!!!

The answer is simple.

A friend of mine is a Byzantinologist and also a Byzantine-style painter in many Greek churches.

This star on the head of Madonna is called "Aeiparthenon" (for ever virgin)

There are usually 3 stars on each Madonna's image:
They represent the fact that Madonna remained a virgin before the conception, during the gestation and after the birth of Jesus Christ.

But how did this image past from generation to generation????????????

The answer is the following:

We all know that Greek godess Athena was a virgin too,according to Greek Mythology.
When Greeks became Christians, they started using Athena's Symbols as Madonna's ones.They combined their old religion with their new one.
Don't forget that the Parthenon temple(the temple of Virginity) in Acropolis became a Madonna's church,after Greeks were Christianised!

And of course,we all know that the so-called "Sun of Vergina" (I believe it should be called "the Sun of the Hellenes") was a symbol of virginity,so it was used in godess Athena's paintings:
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd311/macedoniahi5/Vergina_01.jpg


Thats how the tradition passed from generation to generation.

Greeks were the ones that promoted Orthodox Christianism in Eastern Europe,so as a result their religious symbols were also promoted.

Take a look at this Greek-Orthodox painting of Madonna in 1300's,found in Sina Mountain in Middle East:

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd311/macedoniahi5/Vergina_05_odigitria_2.jpg


PS. The "Aeiparthenon" symbol is not always a "star of Vergina". In many occations theres another style of star used!

So...........Please invite here a Skopian to analyse what this star represents...
I bet he doesnt have a clue about it.