Kosovo - Europe's highest birth rate,!!!!

[masolord]

BACKGROUNDER: Kosovo - Europe's highest birth rate, smallest GDP - Europe (http://news.monstersandcritics.com/europe/news/article_1373467.php/BACKGROUNDER_Kosovo_-_Europes_highest_birth_rate_smallest_GDP)

this guys are breeding like bunnies.:laugh::laugh:

[BzNzSBoomN]

So what you think masholord, how many more years until Albanians make up half the population in your little republic??? I say 15 years 20 tops!!
You need to start making some Matsedonski babies bre . I can be your numko when you get married ok!!!:lol:

[Christov]

BACKGROUNDER: Kosovo - Europe's highest birth rate, smallest GDP - Europe (http://news.monstersandcritics.com/europe/news/article_1373467.php/BACKGROUNDER_Kosovo_-_Europes_highest_birth_rate_smallest_GDP)

this guys are breeding like bunnies.:laugh::laugh:So what are you waiting for? Go make children!

[TirAlb]

BACKGROUNDER: Kosovo - Europe's highest birth rate, smallest GDP - Europe (http://news.monstersandcritics.com/europe/news/article_1373467.php/BACKGROUNDER_Kosovo_-_Europes_highest_birth_rate_smallest_GDP)

this guys are breeding like bunnies.:laugh::laugh:

Yes man,go make childrens,if you have problems this Albanian guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferid_Murad) invented this useful thing (http://www.onlineathens.com/images/053002/viagra.jpg),that might help.

[Christov]

Yes man,go make childrens,if you have problems this Albanian guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferid_Murad) invented this useful thing (http://www.onlineathens.com/images/053002/viagra.jpg),that might help.:lol:

[Cadmus]

It is true the Albs mate like bunnies! in Fyrom it is becoming a big problem ,that way the Albanian minority is groing while we talk...:wacko:


The Albanians are rather expanding at a fast rate , something that makes me feel uncomfortable with.

[Cadmus]

To bad the Albs are so fertile i'd say.....
Can any Albanian explain what is the index number for Albanian family growth each year?

[slavicwolf]

so what, there are a billion indians in india and they are still nowhere, the same goes for albs, most of them are uneducated and uncivilised so they pose no threat.

[tankistabg]

Yes man,go make childrens,if you have problems this Albanian guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferid_Murad) invented this useful thing (http://www.onlineathens.com/images/053002/viagra.jpg),that might help.
Albanians and bulgarians shouldn't get in conflict. You have real enemies which our enemies too...(Serbia) We just have to divide Macedonia, and from then to e good neighbours.

[TirAlb]

Albanians and bulgarians shouldn't get in conflict. You have real enemies which our enemies too...(Serbia) We just have to divide Macedonia, and from then to e good neighbours.



I agree,but are you sure Bulgarians consider Serbia an enemy?

[tankistabg]

I agree,but are you sure Bulgarians consider Serbia an enemy?

Not "an enemy" - its "the enemy". That is the one reason Bulgarians and Croats had always been best friends and allies.
I mean - Bulgaria, Albania, Croatia, Hungary - all four contries have occupied territory by Serbia. - The torlak region and FYROM, Kosovo and Metohija, Republika Srbska, and Vojvodina.

That is why its so essencial for all dour of those contries to unite.

[TirAlb]

Not "an enemy" - its "the enemy". That is the one reason Bulgarians and Croats had always been best friends and allies.
I mean - Bulgaria, Albania, Croatia, Hungary - all four contries have occupied territory by Serbia. - The torlak region and FYROM, Kosovo and Metohija, Republika Srbska, and Vojvodina.

That is why its so essencial for all dour of those contries to unite.

We have a very good opinion about,hungarians indeed,and a neutral opinion about croatians and bulgarians(thats positive when speaking about balkans).During the yugoslavian war many high officials of the croatian army were albanians.And yes we consider serbia "the enemy" also.

[tankistabg]

We have a very good opinion about,hungarians indeed,and a neutral opinion about croatians and bulgarians(thats positive when speaking about balkans).During the yugoslavian war many high officials of the croatian army were albanians.And yes we consider serbia "the enemy" also.

Well, In Bulgaria we had really tough internal problems, and that is why we sort of "missed" both the conflict in 1991-1995 in Bosna, and the conflict from 1999.
But Bulgaria had never forgot who their friends are.

Plus - I don't think bulgarians had ever harmed albanians at all. We had centuries of peacefull living

[TirAlb]

Well, In Bulgaria we had really tough internal problems, and that is why we sort of "missed" both the conflict in 1991-1995 in Bosna, and the conflict from 1999.
But Bulgaria had never forgot who their friends are.

A question,whats the general opinion about the kosovas issue in your country?

Plus - I don't think bulgarians had ever harmed albanians at all. We had centuries of peacefull living
well,its hard to say that but indeed i have never read or heard of wars with bulgarians till 2001 (if we may call mac. so),instead with turks serbs and greeks a lot.

[tankistabg]

A question,whats the general opinion about the kosovas issue in your country?

Well, this is a tough question. One half of the nation is scared that independence on Kosovo will lead to independence to some turk regions in Bulgaria. The other part support the kosovo independence. But I can say a lot of people are misleaded by wrong information like "albanians love turks" which is complete rubbish, but we have serbs even in Attack party. Quite sad.


well,its hard to say that but indeed i have never read or heard of wars with bulgarians till 2001 (if we may call mac. so),instead with turks serbs and greeks a lot.
The conflict of 2001 was artificial. We shall divide Macedonia between us! The sooner - the better. This is the only way everybody to be happy.

[Truth Bearer]

Yes I agrre you should share the region b/w the 2 of you.......We have no land claims except maybe for Monastiri and Ohrid.

[tankistabg]

Yes I agrre you should share the region b/w the 2 of you.......We have no land claims except maybe for Monastiri and Ohrid.
We will make a compromise, with that. But we will deal with this when the time comes.
:)

[Demetrius Doukas]

quote:
Plus - I don't think bulgarians had ever harmed albanians at all. We had centuries of peacefull living[/QUOTE]

That is due to the lack of common borders otherwise both will twist their necks and it would be bulgaria instead of Serbia. The other reason is that noone is going to bulgaria for working and living including the Albanians due to the misery there...........so they prefer Serbia and Greece. :)

[Demetrius Doukas]

Tankistabg,

For Serbo-Bulgarian realations you are right.
But tell me honestly are the Bulgarians considering Greece as an enemy still?

[tankistabg]

Tankistabg,

For Serbo-Bulgarian realations you are right.
But tell me honestly are the Bulgarians considering Greece as an enemy still?some do, but that is mainly because of some ugly web pages like the "serbo-hellenic" brotherhood forums and pages.
My point is - some of you side with our enemy(serbs).

[Cadmus]

Albania nor Bulgaria will ever set foot on Fyrom soil not without all the Nato nations jumping on your backs..

And forget about Kosovo eather it is to far fedged...:lol:

[Demetrius Doukas]

some do, but that is mainly because of some ugly web pages like the "serbo-hellenic" brotherhood forums and pages.
My point is - some of you side with our enemy(serbs).

Yes you are right in Greece do not have much believe in strong friendship with Bulgaria and one of the issues is scopie and the bulgarian role in creating the problem. In the NATO bombings of Serbia Greece were opposed while Bulgaria openly gave air space for bombardment of her neighbour so unfortunately I don't see improving of your relations with Serbia.

But despite that Serbia is out of EU it still have bigger life standart than Bulgarians am I right?

[Demetrius Doukas]

Albania nor Bulgaria will ever set foot on Fyrom soil not without all the Nato nations jumping on your backs..

And forget about Kosovo eather it is to far fedged...:lol:
Don't be so sure Serbia were much stronger than scopie but NATO help the Albanians:)))))))) Also Bulgaria is NATO ally ........

[Demetrius Doukas]

We will make a compromise, with that. But we will deal with this when the time comes.
:)

Tankistabg,

are you serious? Bulgaria has no army nor economy I doubt in your ability to do this things (except if some great powers use you for something else in their scheming:), but this will create just more problems and instability...........

[TirAlb]

That is due to the lack of common borders otherwise both will twist their necks and it would be bulgaria instead of Serbia. The other reason is that noone is going to bulgaria for working and living including the Albanians due to the misery there...........so they prefer Serbia and Greece. :)

You can delete serbia from your quote,we never went there for working or living,never happend!

[TirAlb]

Well, this is a tough question. One half of the nation is scared that independence on Kosovo will lead to independence to some turk regions in Bulgaria. The other part support the kosovo independence. But I can say a lot of people are misleaded by wrong information like "albanians love turks" which is complete rubbish, but we have serbs even in Attack party. Quite sad.
Im surprised to hear that,i never thought there were Bulgarians supporting Kosovas independence,i was sure that B. were in their totality against it.
I think that turkey has a lot of other problems like cyprus,and kurds to claim other land,but theres nothing to do average people are easy influenced and the anti-albanian propaganda has been harsh during history.

The conflict of 2001 was artificial. We shall divide Macedonia between us! The sooner - the better. This is the only way everybody to happy.
Lets hope,but as long as mac. don't figure out who they really are i don't see a peaceful ending.

[Demetrius Doukas]

You can delete serbia from your quote,we never went there for working or living,never happend!

Why Kosovo belonged to Serbia?! :)

[TirAlb]

Why Kosovo belonged to Serbia?! :)
Maybe because serbia invaded it?

[tankistabg]

Albania nor Bulgaria will ever set foot on Fyrom soil not without all the Nato nations jumping on your backs..

And forget about Kosovo eather it is to far fedged...:lol:

Albanians and the bulgarians are ALREADY ON FYROM SOIL
THEY ARE THE TWO LARGEST ETHINC GROUPS LIVING THERE, REMEMBER?

[Demetrius Doukas]

Maybe because serbia invaded it?

Maybe...........it is of no consequence most important is what will happen after? So much protectorates and borders in EU without borders how you see the way for prosperity? :huh:

[tankistabg]

Yes you are right in Greece do not have much believe in strong friendship with Bulgaria

That is not the real problem. The problem is your friendship with Serbia.

and one of the issues is scopie and the bulgarian role in creating the problem.
bulgarians were the victums - 2 million brainwashed bulgarians are the real victums of the issue. And the main culprid is Yugoslavia aka Greater Serbia. The macedonism was created in order of Yugoslavia to have claims over Bulgarians and greek territory

We are on the same side on this issue.


In the NATO bombings of Serbia Greece were opposed while Bulgaria openly gave air space for bombardment of her neighbour so unfortunately I don't see improving of your relations with Serbia.
Of course. We wouldn't had missed the payback for nothing. Nice bombing. Lots of people celebrated.

But despite that Serbia is out of EU it still have bigger life standart than Bulgarians am I right?
No, their standart is pretty much the same.

[tankistabg]

You can delete serbia from your quote,we never went there for working or living,never happend!

well statistic says albanians are majority in Kosova from 1600 to present day.
And even if we trace the antiquity - albanians were first there, and not the Sklabus

[Demetrius Doukas]

Albanians and the bulgarians are ALREADY ON FYROM SOIL
THEY ARE THE TWO LARGEST ETHINC GROUPS LIVING THERE, REMEMBER?

Yes the only problem is that they do not want to have nothing in common with Bulgarians. :huh::unsure: Just like you who do not want to have nothing slavic it is true that Bulgarians and Scopians have very simmilar way of thinking and that's the prove they have the same roots!

[Demetrius Doukas]

[QUOTE=tankistabg;42988]That is not the real problem. The problem is your friendship with Serbia.
Of course balance is needed we don't want greater bulgaria and consequently misery in the region.

bulgarians were the victums - 2 million brainwashed bulgarians are the real victums of the issue. And the main culprid is Yugoslavia aka Greater Serbia. The macedonism was created in order of Yugoslavia to have claims over Bulgarians and greek territory

No the problem began much earlier in the time of the creation of the Bulgarian exarchate the Serbs just use the same tool later.

Of course. We wouldn't had missed the payback for nothing. Nice bombing. Lots of people celebrated.

I do not see reason for celebrating...

No, their standart is pretty much the same

I doubt it because I have seen the salaries and misery in Bulgaria, in Serbia some sectors are better paid. :)

[TirAlb]

Maybe...........it is of no consequence most important is what will happen after? So much protectorates and borders in EU without borders how you see the way for prosperity? :huh:

Kosova will erase irs borders within europe but not within serbia!

[Vasiliye]

Tankistabg,

"Bulgaria, Albania, Croatia, Hungary - all four contries have occupied territory by Serbia. - The torlak region and FYROM, Kosovo and Metohija, Republika Srbska, and Vojvodina."

"The Torlak Region" (what the HECK is that?There is no political entity with such name) was never part of Bulgaria since the creation of it in 1878 and independence in 1908, appart in two occupations 1915-1918 and 1941-1944, which were illegal in the eyes of the VICTORS in those conflicts and their consequences de facto and de jure obliterated.If by "Torlak region" you mean the South-Eastern parts of Serbia where the so-called Torlak speech is (still) spoken by some people while de facto standard on the street and in home for most of the people of the region is standard Serbian, than I can tell you that depending on the estimate of its area, we are taliking about minimum 400.000 maximum 1.000.000 people, "Torlaks" of Serbia, that is.

A question for you:

How many of the people in the region declare themselves as Serbs and how many as Bulgarians.Would you agree with me that the ratio is somewhere from 20 :1 to 40:1 in favor of local ethnic Serbs?Is there ANYTHING more to discuss?

1.Kosovo and Metohija was never a territorry of a state of Albania founded in 1913, but internationally recognized part of a legitimate state and member of the UN-Republic of Serbia and historic area of Serbia since medieval times, collonised by Albanians only after 17th century.

2.Republika Srpska is a legal entity in Bosnia (not: Croatia) created in 1991 by Plebiscite and whose status as a political entity with its own government and territorry is confirmed by the trilateral Dayton Agreement in 1995, established in Bosnia, historically a Serbian province, ruled in medieval times by several dinasties all of which called themselves Serbian rulers, their people Serbs and the language of documents issued by them Serbian.

Republika Srpska embraces NOT all territorries of Bosnia which are Orhodox Serbian.The other inhabitants of Bosnia are Croats or rather "Croats" of Catholic Serbian origin and a group dubiously named "Bosniaks" which are descendands of Islamized Serbs.

3.Vojvodina is an internationally recognized part of Serbia and if there was any "act of occupation of Vojvodina by Serbia from Hungary", hey tell me about the time, events and the surrounding factors.The province is nearly 70% ethnically Serbian, with Hungarians being 23% or alike.

4..FYROM is a state created by separation from SFRY and member of the UN


Republika Srpska and FYROM are not part of Serbia by occupation or/and annexation, as you claim that they are.

Kosovo and Metohija (what a nice Albanian meaning names) are THEMSELVES occupied by NATO and KFOR, after war unathorised by the UN and they are de facto not governed by Serbia.

If you need any elaboration, hey, just ask me, odrodeno Slavjanče.

In a mean times, let me state something: lies are not good thing.Opinions are welcomed, but they have to be substantiated and open to criticism in order to gain credibility as "theory" or "working hypothesis" before being eventually eleveted to the status of "established facts"

[Demetrius Doukas]

Kosova will erase irs borders within europe but not within serbia!

But if Serbia becomes part of the European Union you will be forced to open borders:))

[TirAlb]

1.Kosovo and Metohija was never a territorry of a state of Albania founded in 1913, but internationally recognized part of a legitimate state and member of the UN-Republic of Serbia and historic area of Serbia since medieval times, collonised by Albanians only after 17th century.

No!It was allways albanian or mixed and im not speaking only about the present kosova,im speaking about Nish area too.




Kosovo and Metohija (what a nice Albanian meaning names) are THEMSELVES occupied by NATO and KFOR, after war unathorised by the UN and they are de facto not governed by Serbia.

We have the beautiful name Dukagjini for metohija an Dardania of course!Indeed it is de jure under UN admin and de facto independent.

[TirAlb]

But if Serbia becomes part of the European Union you will be forced to open borders:))
With albania Fyrom and Montenegro too,so no problem with that,as long as it is within Eu an as an independent state.But how things are going most likely serbia is going to be a new republic of the Russian fed.

[Vasiliye]

Doukas,

Serbia will NEVER ask to become or will become part in other way of the EU if its main members, at minimum, recognize the secession of Kosovo, giving this province of Serbia status of an independent state.

No member of the Goverment of Serbia or any Serbian citizen can ratify such a decission, because in its law system it is a treason.No politician who would otherwise deny claim to Kosovo as a part of Serbia would SURVIVE PHYSICALLY 24 hours after he makes such public declaration.

In additions, Serbia recently, via Koštunica formally dropped any tendency to request membership in NATO, ever.The Serbs do not want that as a matter of principle.

[Vasiliye]

TirAlb,

Please present hard evidence that:

Albanians were present in a magnitude of lets say more than 3% of the population of Kosovo in 1200 (or earlier,but please do not mention the Illyrians, since this theory is not crowned with conclusive evidence and it is undisputed dogma only in Albania, just the "Arber" people) -1500 for example.

In order to easy your case, I will, as a historian state: yes, indeed, there were Albanians in Kosovo registered in those time, but very, very few, most of them belonging to mobile "katuni", some of them settled and that is natural for ethnicities which live in proximity.Names like: Gjon, Progon, et al were registered in local documentation, but in contrast to overwhelming majority of Serbian names

But the collonisation of Islamized Albanians in Kosovo ("Belonging to the Kos [Blackbird], ubitiquosly Slavic name (Kosovo Albanians are 98% percent Muslims, 2 percents Catholics in contrast to the fact that Republic of Albania has almost 40% of Christian Albanian population, because only Muslims were privileged by the Turks to settle the land) begins en masse in 17th century, which lead to the Great Migration of Serbs in 1689 and to the decreasing of their participation in local demographics to the present time.

"Dukagjini" designates another region, while "Dardania" is a name of the ancient region roughly simmilar with the borders of Kosovo and Metohija, but there is not a single evidence that it was in popular usage throughout the centuries among Albanians, only among intellectuals of the 19th century Revival of Albanans, and in very recent time as a popular name for Kosovo by local Albanians, realising that calling the province by its Slavic name (even if adapted as "Kosova") isn't "much of a help".

I won't talk about the fact that thousand of geographic names (rivers, strams, mountains, peaks, villages, towns, rivers sources etc.) in Kosovo used in authentic or adapted forms by local Albanians are Serbian.With the exception of Ferizaj, as Albanians call the town of Uroševac, withstanding the fact that the name of the town Đakovo may or may not have Albanian etymology and that some newly founded villages may have genuine Albanian names, again, the geographical names are 98% Serbian.

Churches, Monastiries, I won't elaborate further, you heard it all before. Show me an Albanian cathedral or other Albanian artifact in Kosovo (coins, tombs with inscription in Albanian, other inscriptions in stone) before the 17th century and you got a case.


Glory to the great Skenderbeg, born of Serbian mother, who fought valiantly for his people and for all the Christians, against the Turkoislamic horde, I praise the fact that there is his statue in Skoplje but facts are facts:

Northwest of present day Albania you arived later than Slavs.Have a decency to recognize that, given the fact that it doesn't change nothing in political or military or diplomatic aspect.Orthodox and few others Albanians fled to Greece, even far to the south, escaping the Ottomans.Many, mostly Catholics fled to Italy.

The Muslims, however, were equlized with the Turks and as such made expansion to the East and North, reaching sporadically even Western Bulgaria.This collonization is well documented by the Turks, by the Orthodox Church, by the Catholic Church and also the fact that tribes and clans which are present in Kosovo and FYROM have their birthplace mostly in Northern Albania, which is attested by historic ethnography reconstructed by documents and their own tradition about their ancestral home.

[tankistabg]

[QUOTE]
Of course balance is needed we don't want greater bulgaria and consequently misery in the region.

Oh yea. And Greather Sklawia Wasn't a misery. If Yugoslavia was so good why all nations hurried to leave it.



No the problem began much earlier in the time of the creation of the Bulgarian exarchate the Serbs just use the same tool later.

Yes but were right to create this exarchate as fyromians are just bulgarians and had always been bulgarians

I do not see reason for celebrating...
you don't - I do. I know for sure I celebrated. Plus backten in highschool most of my friends also celebrated.


I doubt it because I have seen the salaries and misery in Bulgaria, in Serbia some sectors are better paid. :)
Oh yes but serbia is a slav contry. This automatically gives it a third world status.

[Vasiliye]

Do Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia and Slovenia have a "Third World" status, as Slavic nations?

[tankistabg]

Tankistabg,

[QUOTE]
"The Torlak Region" (what the HECK is that?
The region inhabited by torlaks

There is no political entity with such name) was never part of Bulgaria since the creation of it in 1878
History doesn't start in 1878
Fact is - NisH voted to join the bulgarian exarchate on its free will just years before 1878.

.If by "Torlak region" you mean the South-Eastern parts of Serbia where the so-called Torlak speech is (still) spoken by some people while de facto standard on the street and in home for most of the people of the region is standard Serbian, than I can tell you that depending on the estimate of its area, we are taliking about minimum 400.000 maximum 1.000.000 people, "Torlaks" of Serbia, that is.
Well, those people show different features in matter of hair pigmentation that the rest of Serbia:
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc81/tankistabg/genetics/blond_hair_map.jpg

How many of the people in the region declare themselves as Serbs and how many as Bulgarians.
The same way of thinking made the FYROMS "ancient macedonians" - complete rubbish way of thinking.

Would you agree with me that the ratio is somewhere from 20 :1 to 40:1 in favor of local ethnic Serbs?Is there ANYTHING more to discuss?

1.Kosovo and Metohija was never a territorry of a state of Albania founded in 1913, but internationally recognized part of a legitimate state and member of the UN-Republic of Serbia and historic area of Serbia since medieval times, collonised by Albanians only after 17th century.
yes - medieval! And before the medieval times there was the antiquity in which Kosova was inhabited by Illyrians!

2.Republika Srpska is a legal entity in Bosnia (not: Croatia)
Yes I know. Its still a stolen land from Croatia! here is the ethnic borders of Croatia:
http://www.freewebs.com/zadomspremni/040.jpg

created in 1991 by Plebiscite and whose status as a political entity with its own government and territorry is confirmed by the trilateral Dayton
big deal. So what. Ante Pavelic contry was confirmed by the POPE!

Agreement in 1995, established in Bosnia, historically a Serbian province, ruled in medieval times by several dinasties all of which called themselves Serbian rulers,
yea right. What about the "bosanska curkva" - I bet its also serbian :clap2:

their people Serbs and the language of documents issued by them Serbian.

Oh yes... Srbija do Tokija... we know the story - Serbja do Nokia!

Republika Srpska embraces NOT all territorries of Bosnia which are Orhodox Serbian.
rubbish - in Republika srubska there are minorities - Crotians and bosnian muslims(again croats)

The other inhabitants of Bosnia are Croats or rather "Croats" of Catholic Serbian origin and a group dubiously named "Bosniaks" which are descendands of Islamized Serbs.
there is no such thing as catholic serbs. Serbs were killed jst for entering bosna back then!


3.Vojvodina is an internationally recognized part of Serbia and if there was any "act of occupation of Vojvodina by Serbia from Hungary", hey tell me about the time, events and the surrounding factors.The province is nearly 70% ethnically Serbian, with Hungarians being 23% or alike.
yes 23% hungarians and the 100 000 croats. When we add the big gypsy minority serbs hardly make 50%!
Freedom to Vojvodina!

4..FYROM is a state created by separation from SFRY and member of the UN


its created and ruled by your communist schauvinist

Republika Srpska and FYROM are not part of Serbia by occupation or/and annexation, as you claim that they are.
they still are puppet states!


Kosovo and Metohija (what a nice Albanian meaning names) are THEMSELVES occupied by NATO and KFOR, after war unathorised by the UN and they are de facto not governed by Serbia.
yes - one victory more to the justice.

If you need any elaboration, hey, just ask me, odrodeno Slavjanče.
I don't speak that language.


In a mean times, let me state something: lies are not good thing.Opinions are welcomed, but they have to be substantiated and open to criticism in order to gain credibility as "theory" or "working hypothesis" before being eventually eleveted to the status of "established facts"
you say I lie?

let me tell you something!

Slaves lie, but free men say the truth!
Figure your self who is the slave
(slav(e) pride world wide)

[tankistabg]

to my albanian mate

I invite you to this forum
this forum (http://www.forum.bg-nacionalisti.org/index.php)
you can ask all your questions on how bulgarians feel for serbs and the Kosova issue.


(because PM servise obviously doesn't work properly)

[TirAlb]

TirAlb,

Please present hard evidence that:

Albanians were present in a magnitude of lets say more than 3% of the population of Kosovo in 1200 (or earlier,but please do not mention the Illyrians, since this theory is not crowned with conclusive evidence and it is undisputed dogma only in Albania, just the "Arber" people) -1500 for example.
In order to easy your case, I will, as a historian state: yes, indeed, there were Albanians in Kosovo registered in those time, but very, very few, most of them belonging to mobile "katuni", some of them settled and that is natural for ethnicities which live in proximity.Names like: Gjon, Progon, et al were registered in local documentation, but in contrast to overwhelming majority of Serbian names
But the collonisation of Islamized Albanians in Kosovo ("Belonging to the Kos [Blackbird], ubitiquosly Slavic name (Kosovo Albanians are 98% percent Muslims, 2 percents Catholics in contrast to the fact that Republic of Albania has almost 40% of Christian Albanian population, because only Muslims were privileged by the Turks to settle the land) begins en masse in 17th century, which lead to the Great Migration of Serbs in 1689 and to the decreasing of their participation in local demographics to the present time.

First of all I don’t understand why shouldn’t i mention the Illyrians.They are our ancestours,and this Albanian non Illyrians dogma is in fashion only in Serbia by this time.But ill tell you why you don’t like that,just because Serbia justified the invasion of these regions with outdated deductions,and at the moment you admit that Albanians are the ancient Illyrians your Already baseless theory will lose any base.
I just know that hundred of thousands of Albanians were forced to live(survive I would say) under your rule,only because these reagions were part of the Serbian state for 2 or 3 centuries more than 500 years ago.In conclusion serbs in Kosova are just one of the many invaders,as Romans,Bulgarians and Turks before them,and you don’t have any right to claim that land and anyway not more than the above nations does.
This colonization of kosova by Albanian muslims is just a joke aswell as the Serbian migration!The popular Serbian theory is that Albanian CRISTIAN(not muslims) were settled in the area after the “great migration”.
There was never a muslim colonization of the region,from the highlands simply because this highlands were scarcely populated and this population was Roman catholic.So or the population with Serbian names(very often their head of the family held an Albanian name)was Albanian under slavization process or we had these serbs whom first became muslims and than Albanians.Most likely the first theory because the Serbian church was quite strong and in good relations with the ottomans so they had no reason to change their religion.
About the migration.i can’t really understand why these Serbians went away,there was a war between Austrians and Turks and in the Kosovar area the only who fought against them were the Albanians(because they were the majority) muslim and catholic under the lead of the archbishop of skopje Pjeter Bogdani.But after the war serbs felt threatened and migrated.This is just unlogical but indeed just untrue.This so called migration happened in the areas between in the present south Serbia and Belgarde and your people were INVITED to settle in today vojvodina (that you still occupy) so nobody forced them to run away.

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"Dukagjini" designates another region, while "Dardania" is a name of the ancient region roughly simmilar with the borders of Kosovo and Metohija, but there is not a single evidence that it was in popular usage throughout the centuries among Albanians, only among intellectuals of the 19th century Revival of Albanans, and in very recent time as a popular name for Kosovo by local Albanians, realising that calling the province by its Slavic name (even if adapted as "Kosova") isn't "much of a help".


I don’t care about the etymology of the name kosova,its rightful name is Dardania and soon or later iwill be its name again. You know very well that the region was named Kosova/o by the turks so Albanians just used it administrative name an ottoman not a Serbian so.
The Albanian name for the region of metohija inside present kosova is dukagjini,if you are talking about the original metohija somewhere near bosnia that is another question.


I won't talk about the fact that thousand of geographic names (rivers, strams, mountains, peaks, villages, towns, rivers sources etc.) in Kosovo used in authentic or adapted forms by local Albanians are Serbian.With the exception of Ferizaj, as Albanians call the town of Uroševac, withstanding the fact that the name of the town Đakovo may or may not have Albanian etymology and that some newly founded villages may have genuine Albanian names, again, the geographical names are 98% Serbian
Churches, Monastiries, I won't elaborate further, you heard it all before. Show me an Albanian cathedral or other Albanian artifact in Kosovo (coins, tombs with inscription in Albanian, other inscriptions in stone) before the 17th century and you got a case.

There are many churchs with Serbian names used in the past by the Albanians and there are many mosques with Turkish names used also by Albanians.Having an older written language don’t gives you the right to claim that land also.The majority of the orthodox churches in kosova are quite recent,of the ottoman period.


Glory to the great Skenderbeg, born of Serbian mother, who fought valiantly for his people and for all the Christians, against the Turkoislamic horde, I praise the fact that there is his statue in Skoplje but facts are facts:

Glory to Skanderbeg born by Albanian father and whatever you want mother,and glory to his Albanian soldiers first of all.As he said I didn’t brought you the freedom I found it among you
Ps.theres a statue of him even in Prishtina,Rome and very soon in Paris and London.

Northwest of present day Albania you arived later than Slavs.Have a decency to recognize that, given the fact that it doesn't change nothing in political or military or diplomatic aspect .Orthodox and few others Albanians fled to Greece, even far to the south, escaping the Ottomans.Many, mostly Catholics fled to Italy.

We arrived before slavs in every corner of the Balkans.I don’t understand why these Albanians went south to escape ottomans when Greece was alredy occupied by the ottomans.The Arvanites moved to south Greece during the Byzantine era,and after the Turkish invasion they migrated in italy and this is the first Albanian orthodox wave migrated there.The second was after the final defeat with the falling of kruja(12 years after skanderbegs death) and Shkodra.this wave was made of Albanian catholic’s

The Muslims, however, were equlized with the Turks and as such made expansion to the East and North, reaching sporadically even Western Bulgaria.This collonization is well documented by the Turks, by the Orthodox Church, by the Catholic Church and also the fact that tribes and clans which are present in Kosovo and FYROM have their birthplace mostly in Northern Albania, which is attested by historic ethnography reconstructed by documents and their own tradition about their ancestral home.


By saying that few catholics

Maybe some Serbian scholar attested their history maybe the same that say tha Albanians originis are from Georgia or even Scotland or that Albanians migrated for economic reasons In kosova after ww2.
Ps.Im from north Albania and my ancestral home is in the Gjakova region

[TirAlb]

to my albanian mate

I invite you to this forum
this forum (http://www.forum.bg-nacionalisti.org/index.php)
you can ask all your questions on how bulgarians feel for serbs and the Kosova issue.


(because PM servise obviously doesn't work properly)
tankistabg that forum is in cyrilik(bulgarian i guess) so can't understand a word of it.
However thanks!

[masolord]

So what you think masholord, how many more years until Albanians make up half the population in your little republic??? I say 15 years 20 tops!!
You need to start making some Matsedonski babies bre . I can be your numko when you get married ok!!!:lol:

of course you can the numko:laugh::laugh:

[masolord]

Albanians and bulgarians shouldn't get in conflict. You have real enemies which our enemies too...(Serbia) We just have to divide Macedonia, and from then to e good neighbours.

shut up tankistabg, you are not Bulgarian ok, i am Bulgarian you are Iranian.go find your self new ethnicity, stop stealing from other people:laugh::laugh:

[Demetrius Doukas]

QUOTE=tankistabg
Oh yea. And Greather Sklawia Wasn't a misery. If Yugoslavia was so good why all nations hurried to leave it.

I'm not defending the artificially made "Yougoslavia", but in the same way I will not approve of any artificially made "Great Bulgaria", that is why I said balance is needed. :)

[Demetrius Doukas]

shut up tankistabg, you are not Bulgarian ok, i am Bulgarian you are Iranian.go find your self new ethnicity, stop stealing from other people:laugh::laugh:

:lol:

[tankistabg]

tankistabg that forum is in cyrilik(bulgarian i guess) so can't understand a word of it.
However thanks!

Just post a thread in english in the first sub-section. Most members speak it. Don't worry for the cyrilic too much. IF you want me to make you a registraition just PM me.

[tankistabg]

shut up tankistabg, you are not Bulgarian ok, i am Bulgarian you are Iranian.go find your self new ethnicity, stop stealing from other people:laugh::laugh:
its very easy to say that to a person banned in a GREEK forum for being anti-slav. I really can't understand the admins. I am a pro greek bulgarian who came here to talk some serious business as aryan to an aryan, and I get banned for hating our enemy - the slavs.

[Cadmus]

Tankistag what is your problem?

You are as much aryan as Gandhi himself was!

If you really think you can find aryan thinkalikes here your definately in the wrong place...you should move over to stormfront , i think you'll feel at home there...here on this great website there is no room for aryan thoughts.

[tankistabg]

Tankistag what is your problem?

You are as much aryan as Gandhi himself was!

If you really think you can find aryan thinkalikes here your definately in the wrong place...you should move over to stormfront , i think you'll feel at home there...here on this great website there is no room for aryan thoughts.
OMGT... I lived to see a moment in which a greek says he is not aryan :wacko:
Aryan, mate means white... In this sence, you are either aryan or a mud.

[masolord]

OMGT... I lived to see a moment in which a greek says he is not aryan :wacko:
Aryan, mate means white... In this sence, you are either aryan or a mud.

tankistabg you sound like your are neo nazi

[Cadmus]

I come partially from a "Nordic"country called the Netherlands ...here referring to Aryan as in blond people is highly offending and immediately is a reference to the Nazi regime...

Mybe you should use the word "Nordic" as in blond haired and blue eyed people not Aryan mate its a word thats loaded with negativity....

All the best,

[olvios]

That aryan stuff is a load of crap.

[tankistabg]

I come partially from a "Nordic"country called the Netherlands ...here referring to Aryan as in blond people is highly offending and immediately is a reference to the Nazi regime...

Mybe you should use the word "Nordic" as in blond haired and blue eyed people not Aryan mate its a word thats loaded with negativity....

All the best,

Nordic mate is a subrace. In that point of matter Not every Aryan is Nordic, but all nordic people are aryan ;)
But you still believe that Aryan means "blue eyed blond haired person" - that is a myth mate...
Here is what aryan is:

1 - What is an Aryan?

Aryan is an English language word derived from the Indian Vedic Sanskrit and Iranian Avestan terms ari-, arya-, ārya-, and/or the extended form aryāna-. The Sanskrit and Old Persian languages both pronounced the word as arya- and aryan. Beyond its use as the ethnic self-designation of the Proto-Indo-Iranians, the meaning "noble" has been attached to it in Sanskrit and Persian.

2 - What does this have to do with Iran?

See above.

3 - What about blonde hair and blue eyes?

While these phenotypical charachteristics embody Nordic Aryans, they are not the epitome of Aryan-ness, if you will. Most individuals who subscribe to this ideal believe everything Allied history has told them about the Third Reich as well as the true meaning of Aryan, despite what a common dictionary and encyclopedia has to say.

4 - I heard Aryans were once Iran and no longer exist, is this true?

Quite simply, absolutely not. Anyone who would reference old relics and statues of Aryan Iranians compared to any in contemporary society would see no difference. Iranians, like Armenians, stand as one of the less mixed peoples of the world. Iranian Y-Chromosomes bear highest resemblance to Danish, Italians and Irish. The word Iranian literally means Aryan. End of story.

[tankistabg]

tankistabg you sound like your are neo nazi
but I am not ;) Don't insult me with that classification please. Thank you.