George Soros and FYROM

[preston]

I know i'm a bit slow but I finaly found it!:clapping:
Let' s see...>>
The past few months rumors regarding G.Soros active support (and double faced games in FYROM) were on the increase..so I had to find some "stuff"..this is the link:
http://www.soros.org.mk/default.asp?lang=eng&menuid=10
Happy reading to all of us!!:read:

http://www.forteon.be/newsmodule/images/georgesoros.gif

FOSIM Mission - About the Foundation
FOSIM's mission is the internal integration of Macedonia as a prerequisite for EU integration.

[Tsontos]

I thought George Soros was an albanian with a Greek name?

is he fyromanian?

[Amyntas]

He is born is Hungary so i d say he from there ;)

[preston]

I think he is Hugarian, he is also supose to be Anti-Bush and has shown an amazing interest in the Balkans lately. The rumors have it that the Skopian Diaspora has secured his asistance agains us...putting it blundly!! Start researching!!

[Tsontos]

Anyway what I actually am sure about is that hes a billionaire (I thought he was the only existing albanian billionaire) who gave huge donations to the Kerry presidency campaign.

He goal is fyrom in the EU.

This is exactly why Greece should not be giving arms to the skopjians. see what happneds with the propaganda if they stop being such a piss poor country down the track one day. I beleive that if they make the EU the diaspora wont be the only place where the bullshit propaganda comes from.

Cheers to the complete destruction and dissolution of Skopia by using albanian militias, Greek companies and Bulgarian consciences :)

[Tsontos]

He is born is Hungary so i d say he from there ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_soros


born August 12, 1930 in Budapest, Hungary as Schwartz György



that is an albanian name. I may be wrong but I am sure I have heard of this guy working for a greater albania

[Amyntas]

Could be......that maybe why he wants FYROM in the EU.....First to get the Albanians in there this way....

[preston]

I may be wrong but I am sure I have heard of this guy working for a greater albania
Maybe that's why he is suposed to be suporting the fanatics of Fyrom, he is a smart cookie, give excuse to the Albnians in fyrom to take up arms again, anyway..this is all speculation, we need to share some hard facts so lets keep looking at it.
I will put a price on his head:
Anyone providing hard core evidence about him helping the Skopianous will receive a sixpack of VB (Australian Beer) via UPS, where ever he/she lives.
:thumbs:

[Tsontos]

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=george+soros+albanian&meta=

go nuts preston. hopefully our state department knows a bit more than us

DEATH TO THE SKOUPIDIANOUS' COUNTRY!

[Ptolemy]

If you wanna know more about this dipshit Soros read this article...

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j031901.html

THE SOROS CONNECTION


The make-believe country of Macedonia is a Yugoslavia in miniature: with all the built-in problems of the latter even more deeply embedded in its origins. Its first President, Kiro Gligorov, was a longtime Communist bureaucrat who served under Tito and, like Milosevic, made the
transition to the post-Communist political scene. Unlike old Slobo, however, Gligorov obtained the invaluable support of billionaire speculator and international do-gooder George Soros, who literally bailed out Macedonia with a generous loan and became the country's de facto ambassador-at-large, lobbying for international recognition in the face of an embargo declared by Greece. The Greeks, it seems, feel
threatened by the country's very name, Macedonia, which is the same as Greece's northern province, and some aspects of the Macedonian
constitution, couched as it is in irredentist language: when the Macedonian government published a textbook showing a map of "Greater
Macedonia," including large chunks of Greece, Athens was not amused. In a [January 23] 1995 New Yorker profile of Soros, the special relationship between Soros and the Macedonian model of
"multiculturalism" was explored:


"Nowhere has Soros put more energy and money into bolstering a government than in Macedonia. "George is the savior of Macedonia," his friend Morton Abramowitz declared. And the Macedonian representative in Washington, Ljubica Acevska, says of two separate Soros loans of twenty five million dollars, 'People found it difficult to believe. The opposition said, 'A country does not help you- why would an individual help you?' Remember, twenty-five million dollars in Macedonia is like billions here... the fact that Soros did it helped the government a great deal.'"

MACEDONIAN MULTI-CULTI


The Macedonian branch of the omnipresent Soros-sponsored "Open Society Institute" became the ideological nerve center of the Gligorov government, and Soros proclaimed in public that he would go to Macedonia if necessary and personally campaign for the President to ensure his reelection. To Soros, Macedonia - a completely made-up nation, without a history or a real cultural basis - was the ideal vessel in which to pour his dreams of the perfect model of modern multi-culturalism. Seeking to explain why Soros championed the Macedonian cause against the Greeks, the New Yorker noted:


"In the good-guy, bad-guy formulation to which Soros is so partial, the Greeks became the bad guys. He did not go to Greece to get the Greek view. In his few hours with Gligorov, he became persuaded, as he often insisted since, that Macedonia is the only multi-ethnic state left in the Balkans with a government devoted to pluralism and democratic principles- a view contested by many ethnic Albanians, Macedonia's largest minority, who charge that Gligorov's actions belie his words, and that they are discriminated against in schooling, employment, and political representation."


HONEYMOON'S END


But the honeymoon was soon over: the Macedonians soured on their benefactor when he began dictating policy to the Gligorov government. In 1995, when Soros tried to intervene in the dispute with Greece over Macedonia's name, proposing that the country change its name to
"Slavomakejonija," he was roundly rebuffed. Thanks for the advice, said the Macedonians - but no thanks. They also told him to take a walk over his insistence that the government cave in to Albanian demands in Tetovo. A newspaper close to the government, Nova Makedonija, accused Soros of "publicly suggesting...the introduction of a second official language into Macedonia through the back door." The Skopje government saw the Tetovo incident as a provocation aimed at destabilizing the region and annexing it to a future "Greater Albania" - and, it turned out, they were right.


A PATTERN EMERGES


Isn't it funny how, mixed in with the irony and tragedy that is the theme of the Balkan story, we also have another theme: George Soros, the eccentric billionaire who has made his life's work a crusade against what he calls "unrestrained capitalism" and yet is widely seen as the
least restrained of all capitalists. Aside from writing books attacking the alleged "dangers" of laissez-faire capitalism, Soros was also one of the most effective and relentless advocates of US military intervention in the Balkans. The Soros-funded Balkan Action Council brought together the top warmongers in both parties, and among the intellectuals, mobilizing public opinion behind the idea of US intervention on behalf of the allegedly victimized Kosovars: Soros personally spoke out in support of the Kosovo war, utilizing his considerable influence with such Clinton era figures as Strobe Talbott on behalf of the War Party. That war, in turn, upset the ethnic balance of Macedonia, when a large number of Kosovar refugees poured into the country - and, with the help of Soros's "philanthropic" activism, they have stayed there, settling in and staking their claim to the extended borders of Greater Albania. Now, having turned against the Macedonians, whose federal system he saw as a possible model for his "open society," Soros is having his revenge: a reenactment of what happened in Kosovo, only this time with Skopje
playing the role once reserved for Belgrade. It is an ironic turn of events, and, given Soros's record in the Balkans, an entirely predictable one. "

[Tsontos]

Nice link persea

this site is called anti-war.com. Are they saying that soros is businessman doing his best to make money out of a new war in western skopia?

Article doesnt seem to be alleging he is acting out of albanian interests:huh:

In short, Tetovo U was all along intended as a base camp for Albanian insurgents. Far from allowing themselves to be assimilated peacefully into Macedonian society, Albanian nationalists seek to assimilate a large chunk of Macedonia into a "Greater Albania." The guerrilla war now being conducted by the "National Liberation Army" based in western Macedonia was prefigured by two infamous incidents, one in Gostivar, in July 1997, when the Albanian mayor raised the Albanian flag over the town, and an expedition by Macedonian police to tear it down was followed by a riot in which 3 people were killed and many more wounded. The town council, which had voted to raise the double-headed eagle of Albanian expansionism, also voted to raise the Turkish flag – a move decried by the Turkish ambassador, who claimed that it was a violation of Turkey's constitution that the flag be flown anywhere outside its own country. Still, the flags were not removed: the Parliament then stepped in with a law forbidding the flying of foreign flags over public buildings, and the police moved in to enforce the law. (The Albanian Democratic Party deputies voted with the majority.) In Tetovo, the mayor of the town similarly defied both the Parliament and the nation's highest court, the Constitutional Court. In their defiance, these local officials symbolically proclaimed their political objective: the dissolution of the Macedonian state.

[Tsontos]

This site is very well informed:blink:

AN IMAGINARY COUNTRY
The locus of Albanian ultra-nationalism has long been the two-pronged demand for a separate Albanian-language university and ethnic quotas in the Macedonian civil serve, with the former serving as a transmission belt for the latter. But the Macedonian government – a coalition including the Albanian Democratic Party – has resisted this demand, rightly fearing the atomization of their country. After all, the classification of "Macedonian" as a separate language, unique to itself, like English French, and German, is quite a stretch: it is more like a regional dialect, one with Serbo-Croatian and Bulgarian influences (both of which, like Macedonian, are written in the Cyrillic alphabet). Indeed, as far as the Bulgarians are concerned, there is no such language as "Macedonian," but only a dialect of Bulgarian: the Serbo-Croatian speakers in Macedonia proper hold a similar view. The fragility of this linguistic nationalism is, furthermore, exacerbated by the historical reality that no such country as "Macedonia" has had a separate existence since the days of Alexander the Great: its resurrection by Tito and the Yugoslav Communists was merely a crude attempt to intervene on the Communist side in the Greek civil war. This, however, has not deterred "Macedonian" nationalists from determinedly averring their linguistic and cultural uniqueness, and fiercely defending their (largely imaginary) national identity. Against the genuine cultural chauvinism of the Albanian fanatics, however, the faux nationalism of the "Macedonians" is a weak reed bending in a strong wind.

[nsminc]

I'm pretty sure he's an evreo.I also heard that he even wanted to be king
of skopland believe it or not.

I know for a fact that he makes 2 million dollars a day.

[Truth Bearer]

George Soros is a Hungarian Jew.Yes he is anti Bush and against the war in Iraq but his bloodlines are Jewish,Hebrew,Yiddish whatever he's an Evraios.

[Tsontos]

He is a Jew but hes also Albanian

[akritas]

Someting that I found in a Soros web site.
Is a lexicon (http://www.soros.org.mk/archive/G04/01/A04_01/sa1903.htm)that published in 1802 in Venice and mentioned (according the propagandistics) 4 languages ....
"Macedonian", Greek, Vlach and Albanian

Please can you tell me if you read "Macedonian"?:wacko: :wacko:

http://www.soros.org.mk/archive/G04/01/images/Sg1903.gif

[Slayer]

Akritas

After copying those documents and enlarging them on a word document, forgive me if i`m wrong but the four languages mentioned on the documents are:

Romaika=Greek
Vlachika=Vlach
Voulgarika=Bulgarian
Alvanitika=Albanian

Now unless i`m reading it incorrectly, I don`t see anything mentioning Macedonian as a language.
Also the article is in Greek!

[akritas]

You are correct slayer.:thumbs:
Bulgarika!!!!!:rolleyes:

[Nikos]

OK now burry this document because it doesn't refer to Greek language too.

[Slayer]

yes it does Nikos, Romaika..also isn`t it written in the language that you say doesn`t exist?

[Nikos]

yes it does Nikos, Romaika..also isn`t it written in the language that you say doesn`t exist?


Our language is Greek and not Romaiika.
We are Greeks and not Romioi or rajades or whatever else.

[Slayer]

actualy if you want to be correct we are hellenes.

You know as well as I do that the language was not always called Greek, and you know as well as I do the Greeks had been calling themselves Romans for a very long time. As you know about the eastern Roman empire then you would know about the long history of the Greek language.
Now going back to the document, what 4 languages would you say are listed Niko?

[Nikos]

Slayer I disagree.

The Greek language was always called as such. Patriarch Fotios said in the 9th century: "I am not Greek as the language I speak reveals. If you ask me what I am, I ll tell you that I am a christian." Greek was pagan then.

Anyway it is 2006 now and not 1806. So tear off this document of the site of this rich malaka now.

[Slayer]

Slayer I disagree.

The Greek language was always called as such. Patriarch Fotios said in the 9th century: "I am not Greek as the language I speak reveals. If you ask me what I am, I ll tell you that I am a christian." Greek was pagan then.

Anyway it is 2006 now and not 1806. So tear off this document of the site of this rich malaka now.

That is my point Niko.

As we stopped calling ourselves Hellenes for such a long time due to it being seen as Pagan, the language itself stopped being called Greek by the Greek people.
People stopped saying I am Hellene therefore I speak Hellinika.

Why would you want the document removed. This is a forum where all Macedonian matters are discussed.
You may feel more at ease at a new age Greek-liberal forum where the acceptance of homosexuals in every day life would be number one in their constitution.

[Tsontos]

Nikovski now that I am a mod I am warning you for your goddamn stupidity

if you dont answer slayers question I will ban you:

what 4 languages would you say are listed Niko?

[Tsontos]

The Greek language was always called as such. Patriarch Fotios said in the 9th century: "I am not Greek as the language I speak reveals. If you ask me what I am, I ll tell you that I am a christian." Greek was pagan then.

:frusty:

goddamn

[Nikos]

OK ban me now!
I will not stay in a forum where a mannerless idiot threatens to ban me!
Get lost you moron!

[Tsontos]

Someting that I found in a Soros web site.
Is a lexicon (http://www.soros.org.mk/archive/G04/01/A04_01/sa1903.htm)that published in 1802 in Venice and mentioned (according the propagandistics) 4 languages ....
"Macedonian", Greek, Vlach and Albanian

Please can you tell me if you read "Macedonian"?:wacko: :wacko:

http://www.soros.org.mk/archive/G04/01/images/Sg1903.gif

haha thats a good one. like how they have ethnological maps on their own sites which dont mention a macedonian ethnicity

what do you expect from historians like these:
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1353/gypsies18hw5at.jpg

[Tsontos]

OK ban me now!
I will not stay in a forum where a mannerless idiot threatens to ban me!
Get lost you moron!

are having your period or cant you answer slayer's question?

[Slayer]

I don`t want Nikos banned. We should be open to other points of view, but as Takis said you have not answred my question.
What four languages are listed in this document you want removed?

[Tsontos]

Im only messing with him I dont have the power to ban him as im not a super mod. I just find it funny that he refuses to answer your obvious question.


you are new here slayer so you dont know that nikos is a red skopjian

[Nikos]

The first coloumn is Greek language and not romeika.
The other three I cannot understand, hence I cannot comment.

[Tsontos]

The first coloumn is Greek language and not romeika.
The other three I cannot understand, hence I cannot comment.

you cannot understand? what do you mean?

[Slayer]

Is this guy for real?:blink:

The first column as you put it is the one I said was Greek and you said the article doesn`t mention Greek.
How did I come to the conclusion of the other three languages?
This guy could be skop, but best to keep him here as he seems to be making them look alot dumber then they already are. On the other hand if he is greek, then he must live on the wrong side of the border.

[Tsontos]

lol Slayer you are new here and you will soon realise that nikos is a red skopjian posing as a Greek.

the reason he cant answer why the site claims that document says its the 'Macedonian language' when it clearly says the word voulgarika because hes a retarted skopjian

[Orphic_Hymn]

The first coloumn is Greek language and not romeika.
The other three I cannot understand, hence I cannot comment.

Re Niko.
Noone is asking for a translation, just what the title of each column suggests the language is. Its written in Hellinic so where is the problem ?

[akritas]

Another lie from the soros web site (http://www.soros.org.mk/archive/G04/01/A04_01/sa1910.htm)

http://www.soros.org.mk/archive/G04/01/images/sg1910.jpg

SKOPJAN EXPLANATION:
"Ogledalo" ("The Mirror"), written by Kiril Peychinovich, printed in Macedonian - Tetovo dialect, where he endeavours to set up the Macedonian literary language on the popular base (Buda, 1816)

ORIGINAL TEXT:
"...knizhnim jazikom bolgarskom doliga Mysii..."
the written Bulgarian language of Lower Mysia (Medieval Bulgarian name for "Macedonia")

thanks to Darth Vader

[PhiliptheUniterchaeronea]

What's motivating Soros guys? Guys like him almost always have a motivation that benefits them. Maybe I'm being cynical, but lets be realistic. There is more going on here than we know, a lot more. Does he have his own "Haliburton" out there waiting to get in. :lol: No offense against good old Yanks, but the super rich (in any country) tend to get what they want.

[Slayer]

Some more reading on our friend George

George Soros
George Soros and America's
Coming Election Crisis

(A Three-Part Series)

Part 3: The Lies of
George Soros

By Richard Poe





WHO IS GEORGE SOROS and what does he really want? Answering these questions is no easy feat. Good information on Soros is sparse. Most is heavily sanitized.

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In "George Soros' Coup" -- an investigative report I wrote in the May 2004 issue of NewsMax Magazine -- I revealed a number of facts about Soros little known to the public.

I noted, for instance, that Soros is a militant atheist who despises men of faith such as George W. Bush. He is a Jew who loathes Jewish "tribalism;" a Holocaust survivor who likens Israel to Hitler's Germany; a naturalized U.S. citizen who considers himself "stateless;" a critic of "Darwinian" capitalism who ruthlessly exploited the fallen USSR in the crony-capitalist free-for-all known as "Russiagate."



Hillary Clinton: "It
will be outside
forces -- something
unforeseen that
suddenly happens --
that tilts the election
one way or the other."


Soros is a man without roots, faith or tradition, a lonely eccentric who fills his empty soul with what he calls "messianic fantasies." He dreams of using his wealth to transform our world into a godless, joyless superstate in which the very concepts of family, freedom, love of country and community will be watered down beyond recognition.

Above all, Soros is a man ever-hungry for money and power. His dark appetites yawn too vast to find fulfillment in ordinary life.

Despite the many books he has written and the many interviews he has granted, Soros remains elusive. The simplest details of his life have a tendency to evaporate like dry ice in the investigator's palm.

Part of the problem is that Soros lies. Any journalist scrutinizing this enigmatic man must cultivate a healthy disregard for his public utterances. Not only does Soros lie, but he lies fluently, frequently, pointedly and with a master's virtuosity.

Following the November 2003 uprising that toppled Georgian President Eduard Shevardnadze, Soros categorically denied press reports linking him to the coup.

"Everything in Georgia was done by its people, not by me. I had nothing to do with it," Soros told reporters on March 31, 2004. On July 5, however, he told the Los Angeles Times, "I'm delighted by what happened in Georgia, and I take great pride in having contributed to it."

Whatever.

Soros evinces, at times, what can only be called a professional pride in his skill at deception. In a 1995 profile in The New Yorker, Soros told journalist Connie Bruck that the "subversive" mission of his Open Society foundations – which have supported coups and rebellions in many lands – required him to wear a variety of masks through the years. In some countries, Soros might adopt a pro-communist pose while in others he would play the anti-communist. Only Soros himself knew where he stood -- and perhaps not even Soros.

"I would say one thing in one country, and another thing in another country," Soros boasted, with a laugh.



The Father of McCain-Feingold

Soros still wears many masks. In a June 3 speech at the Democrats' Take Back America conference, he played the role of political neophyte, claiming that he had only recently involved himself in U.S. politics, due to his outrage over Bush’s invasion of Iraq.

"[I]t is the first time that I feel that I need to stand up and… become really engaged in the electoral process in this country," Soros said.

This was a lie. Soros has been neck-deep in Democrat intrigue since at least 1994. Three weeks after Republicans swept Congress that year, Soros announced in a November 30, 1994 speech that he wished to "do something about… the distortion of our electoral process by the excessive use of TV advertising."

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Eight months later, Democrat Senator Russ Feingold obligingly rose on the Senate floor to denounce soft money abuses, thus setting in motion the juggernaut that would ultimately give us the McCain-Feingold Act of March 27, 2002.

Few Americans realize that it was George Soros who bankrolled the seven-year lobbying effort without which McCain-Feingold never would have seen the light of day.

"Combine… the $1.7 million that Mr. Soros gave the Center for Public Integrity, the $1.3 million he gave Public Campaign, the $300,000 to Democracy 21, the $625,000 to Common Cause, and the $275,000 to Public Citizen – and you can be forgiven for believing Mr. Soros got campaign finance passed all by himself," notes a Wall Street Journal editorial.

McCain-Feingold neatly accomplishes Soros’ goal of regulating political discourse on the airwaves. It bars "special interest groups" from placing ads for or against any candidate for federal office on TV or radio 60 days before a general election, and 30 days before a primary. These "special interest groups" can be anything from corporations to grassroots networks of concerned citizens.

Big Media networks, on the other hand, are exempted from the blackout. Unlike other corporations, they are not classified as "special interest groups." During the blackout period, Big Media networks may say whatever they like about any candidate on their news reports and talk shows.

McCain-Feingold thus grants to Viacom (which owns CBS); Disney (which owns ABC); GE (which owns NBC); Time Warner (which owns CNN) and to other multibillion-dollar media conglomerates what amounts to a government-enforced monopoly on political speech during election season. Curiously, wealthy individuals such as George Soros are also exempt from the TV and radio blackout.

The U.S. Supreme Court upheld McCain-Feingold on December 10, 2003. In a dissenting opinion, Justice Antonin Scalia wrote:

"Who could have imagined that the same Court which, within the past four years, has sternly disapproved of restrictions upon such inconsequential forms of expression as virtual child pornography, tobacco advertising, dissemination of illegally intercepted communications and sexually explicit cable programming would smile with favor upon a law that cuts to the heart of what the First Amendment is meant to protect: the right to criticize government?"
Who indeed?

But this is the Age of Soros. What was unthinkable yesterday has become ordinary today. By shrewdly applying his money in the right places, Soros succeeded in ripping the guts out of our First Amendment. He simultaneously purchased for himself and his Big Media allies the privilege of indulging in political speech denied to ordinary Americans.

Election Day will be upon us in less than four months. Given the money and power at the Democrats' disposal -- and given the desperate, mass hysteria that appears to have gripped the Party of the Left -- almost anything is possible.

I do not often cite Hillary Clinton as an authority, but, in this case, allow me to make an exception. Every American should consider what Hillary told the New York Post on March 30, 2004: "It will be outside forces -- something unforeseen that suddenly happens -- that tilts the election one way or the other."

Now, of course, there are many sorts of "unforeseen" events that might "tilt" America toward Velvet Revolution: assassination; financial collapse; nuclear or biological terror; the last-minute release of trumped-up charges against the President. That sort of thing.

How can ordinary Americans prepare for it all? How can we chart the right course through this tangled morass of fear, chaos, rumor, lies and confusion?



The Swiss Solution

History offers some guidance. Consider Switzerland's plight in April 1940, when fifteen German divisions prepared to invade the tiny country. Switzerland would have been crushed.

Yet the Swiss resolved to fight. In accordance with centuries-old tradition, every able-bodied man was enrolled for life in the militia, armed and trained to fight independently, in small units. The Swiss commander, General Henri Guisan and the Swiss Federal Council famously broadcast a joint order to the entire country, instructing the militia to fight to the death. There would be no surrender. Even if the government itself appeared to be surrendering, said Guisan, the militia should fight on, ignoring any orders to the contrary. Guisan's message stated:

"If by radio, leaflets or other media any information is transmitted doubting the will of the Federal Council or of the Army High Command to resist an attacker, this information must be regarded as lies of enemy propaganda. Our country will resist aggression with all means in its power and to the bitter end."

The Germans wisely backed down. They did not invade Switzerland.

Listen well, gentle reader. I am not here counseling armed rebellion. That is not the point of my story. The resort to arms is man's final check against tyranny, as our forefathers knew. But a free people should be slow to anger. More often than not, violent insurrection ends in dictatorship, no matter which side wins.

The times call for vigilance, but they call too for clear heads and patience.

Remember, above all, that Big Media opposes us. Should some "unforeseen" event occur around election time, as Hillary predicts, we may rest assured that major media will spin that event to the Democrats' advantage.

Close your ears to them. Do not listen. Like the Swiss in 1940, let us treat their words as "lies of enemy propaganda." Let us rely instead upon our own good sense and love of liberty. And let us commend our fate to Almighty God, who alone grants victory or defeat.


http://www.richardpoe.com/soros07.18.04.html

[akritas]

Look how the propagnda created.The below quote is response to Hammond's conclusion that the Macedonians were Greek:

[1] There were many tribes in Macedonia. If we accept Macedon to be the progenitor of his tribe, where is the connection for the rest of the Macedonian tribes? What about the Lynchestians, Elimiotes, Eordians, Orestians etc., etc.. Besides; In the 'Catalogue of Women', the eponymous founder of Makedonia, Makedon, was the son of Zeus and Deukalion's daughter Thuia. This line of descent excludes him from the Hellenic geneology - and hence, by implication, the Makedonians from the ranks of Hellenism."
(Ethnic Identity in Greek Antiquity, by J.Hall, p.64)

http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/AncientMacedonia/hammond.html



And now let's see what Hall say as about the Macedonians ...


http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/3386/ethnicidentityingreekantiquity.jpg

[Liakos]

Another lie from the soros web site (http://www.soros.org.mk/archive/G04/01/A04_01/sa1910.htm)

http://www.soros.org.mk/archive/G04/01/images/sg1910.jpg



Also a good one:

Original

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/11/Bulgarian_Folk_Songs.jpg/382px-Bulgarian_Folk_Songs.jpg

Same little bit cutted from the Soros-page

http://www.soros.org.mk/archive/G04/01/images/Sg2004.jpg

http://www.soros.org.mk/archive/G04/01/A04_01/sa2004.htm

:dry:

[pankration]

Even though I've argued with Nikos too, he should not be banned. We should continue to discuss, argue and rant but not threaten or censor. If we do that we are no better than Slavs whose tolerance for anything they don't agree with is well-known to everyone in the western world.

Nikos should answer the question in any way he wants. If he thinks one of the forum members is wrong I would like to know why. So, Nikos, come back.

[Amyntas]

Even though I've argued with Nikos too, he should not be banned. We should continue to discuss, argue and rant but not threaten or censor. If we do that we are no better than Slavs whose tolerance for anything they don't agree with is well-known to everyone in the western world.

Nikos should answer the question in any way he wants. If he thinks one of the forum members is wrong I would like to know why. So, Nikos, come back.



:thumb: :thumb:

[akritas]

Even though I've argued with Nikos too, he should not be banned. We should continue to discuss, argue and rant but not threaten or censor. If we do that we are no better than Slavs whose tolerance for anything they don't agree with is well-known to everyone in the western world.

Nikos should answer the question in any way he wants. If he thinks one of the forum members is wrong I would like to know why. So, Nikos, come back.
I don't think this thread consern the Nikos presence of the forum.Why post this quote here pankration?:wacko:

[PhiliptheUniterchaeronea]

Rumour has it Soros is starting a new car company, or something to do with cars, in the next few years, maybe sooner.