FYROM, Language and Ethnicity

[akritas]

From the time that the Bulgarian wars for national liberation achieved their first successes and created a separate nation-state, a new national movement emerged in Bulgaria's western neighbor.
A group of intellectuals, led by the Bulgarian Krste Missirkov, declared that the dialects spoken on this territory were not east Bulgarian dialects but rather a separate national language -- Macedonian.
They declared themselves the successors of ancient Macedonians and initiated a national agitation in an effort to transform the local or regional identity into a national one.
However, their attempt failed:
The Ottoman army squelched their upheaval, and not one of their neighbors recognized them as a nation.
Bulgarians regarded their vernacular as a west Bulgarian dialect, Serbs regarded them as Bulgarized Serbs, and Greeks refused even to accept their name, stressing that Macedonians are a part of the Greek nation.

During the interwar period, FYROMians in Yugoslavia were declared to be Serbs, and during the war their territory was joined to Bulgaria (which was an ally of Nazi Germany). The continuity of national agitation was, however, never completely severed.

With the establishment of socialist Yugoslavia, Macedonia was declared as one of the federal republics, with its own modern Macedonian language.

Fishman said that the link between language and ethnic identity differed according to the traditions of a given ethnic group and according to the political and cultural conditions in the Region in which it lived. According to the general political conditions, the linguistic situations of ethnic groups in the above-mentioned three multiethnic empires differed rather distinctively.

A people (SlavMacedonians) and their language (Bulgarian group)-- what could be more straightforward?
In the ideal case, it really is straightforward. But here we have the game of the propaganda and is known that 3 at least generation brainwashed continuiously.

Any comment ?

[preston]

Akrita, a Nationality and common ideology is something that can’t be suppressed.
An ethnicity that is embraced by millions is also substantiated by millions not one or two individuals. The Greeks had the above and that’s why we exist.

Their case is pure brainwashing and they know it. Even today’s generations must wonder them selves how can they be what they claim and at the same time understand the language of the Bulgarians and the Russians.
Stealing and lying is once more their reasoning and once more they will loose.
They will have a better future the moment they embrace both their cultures, the Slavic and the Macedonian. I’m saying the Macedonian because these generations were born there and I’m saying Slavic because that’s what they speak. Simple

[akritas]

In his book Plundered Loyalties (1995), the historian John S. Koliopoulos suggested that the term slavophone Greeks would be more accurate than the term Slavomacedonians (or Slav Macedonians) of Greece. The synthetic name indicates the place of abode whereas the first suggests their possible origin.

The term Immigrant Macedonians of Greece (prosfyges) indicates Greek citizens whose tongue is Greek and who emigrated to Greek Macedonia in the 1910s and 1920s as a result of the Treaty of Neuilly and the Treaty of Lausanne.

The term Slavomacedonians is used for inhabitants of Slavic descent who inhabit geographical Macedonia, whose tongue is a modified Bulgarian dialect and whose ethnic sentiments are strictly Slavic or Bulgarian.

That's said Kolliopoulos.

Also
IF THE SIMPLISTIC AND UNPRESUASIVE RATIONALE OF HABITATION in Macedo­nia defines who is a Macedonian, then the two million inhabitants of South Serbia (now FYROM), Pirin (Bulgarian) Macedonia's inhabitants, and the three million inhabitants of Hellenic Macedonia are Macedonians, irrespec­tive of ethnicity. Within this framework, we can divide historic Macedo­nia's inhabitants into three groups: Greek-Macedonians, Slav-Macedonians, and Bulgar-Macedonians.

IF HABITATION is the criterion of Macedonianism, FYROM's "Macedonians" would also include Albanians, Serbs, Bulgarians, Vlachs, gypsies,Greeks and Muslims of nondescript ethnicity. The Greek-Macedonian group would include the indigenous Hellenic Macedonians and Greek-speaking people who emigrated to Macedonia from Asia Minor and Eastern Rumelia during the second and third decade of the twentieth century.

THEREFORE, if we use the word "Macedonians" for FYROM's inhab­itants only, as most anthropologists and some scholars do, we discriminate against the Greek Macedonians and Bulgarian Macedonians, an overwhelm­ing majority of Macedonian inhabitants.

dedicated in those that still searching how must called the Macedonians !!!!!!