Albanian Etymology

[Bes Molosi]

ALEXANDER IN ALBANIAN MEANS "BORN LIKE A DREAM" .
exp: A'LE'X'ANDER :A LE KI SI ANDERR .
IS NOT SCRIVED IN THE GREEK HISTORY THAT OLYMPIA SEE IN HER DREAM ALEXANDER , HER SON , BEFORE HER PREGNANCY ?!
:nono::nono::nono:

[Ptolemy]

PYRRHUS . alb:PIRES .
PIRES CAN BE EASLY CONFUSED WITH THE WORD PIRES' THAT MEANS DRUNKED PERSON(GREEK HISTORIANS SAYS THAT BARBARIAN KINGS WHERE ALL "DRUNKERS") . BUT PIRES THRUTHLY MEANS <WHO DRUNK> exp:ITA: "Me l'ho bevo" , <WHO DRUNK ANYWONE THAT HATE> !!
:clapping::clapping::clapping:

So that explains why many Albanians consider Robert Pires as their..own. :lol:

Make our life easier. Post your...'research' straight here (http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/anti-greek-macedonia-propaganda/627-f-y-r-o-ms-best-one-liners-gems-post-here-42.html)

[PhiliptheUniterchaeronea]

Ptolemy, is this guy for real?

Bes, are you kidding? Are you like some representative for an internet version of Candid Camera. Besides, between all the ethnic groups, and the Jakob Philipp Fallmerayer revisionism and hate, are the Greeks left with anything? Really, just a simple question. In fact, challenge to all the revisionists. Slav, Albanian, Turk, ETC... Take it! What is left to the Hellenes if everything we were and are (created by Hellenes) has been appropriated by everyone else?

[TirAlb]

ALEXANDER IN ALBANIAN MEANS "BORN LIKE A DREAM" .
exp: A'LE'X'ANDER :A LE KI SI ANDERR .
IS NOT SCRIVED IN THE GREEK HISTORY THAT OLYMPIA SEE IN HER DREAM ALEXANDER , HER SON , BEFORE HER PREGNANCY ?!
:nono::nono::nono:

Im not one of those that backs such doubtful interpretations,and im not an expert in ancient history or either a linguist...

BUT!! Was Alexander the Great the very first Alexander known?

about Pirro-Pires, this was funny;)

[Draco]

Was Alexander the Great the very first Alexander known?
No, he was the third King of Macedonia to bear that name.

[TirAlb]

No, he was the third King of Macedonia to bear that name.

Sorry but i have this only in italian!

PÃ*ride
(gr. Páris/Aléxandros, lat. Paris/Alexander)

Genealogia
Figlio di Prìamo e di Ecuba, noto con la doppia nominazione di Paride e di Alessandro, il più bello fra i principi di Troia. La sua gestazione è segnata da pronostici infausti, come spesso nella tradizione relativa agli eroi antichi: Ecuba sognò di generare una fascina di legna dal cui divampare si sviluppava un incendio tale da distruggere l’intera Troia. Per questo, su consiglio degli indovini, Paride fu abbandonato alla nascita sul monte Ida, dove venne allevato da un’orsa e infine adottato da un pastore.

Im going,to translate the parts in red:

-Son of Priam and Ecuba,known with a double denomination Paris and Alexander
-Ecuba in dream saw herself generating a fagot of woods from were started a fire able to destroy troy,Thats why Paris(alexander) by following the advice of the soothsayers was abbandoned....

[Truth Bearer]

I never read anywhere that Paris was also called Alexander.The brother in Law of Alexander was also Alexander of Epirus Olympias brother who ruled for a while he also went to Rome to support his fellow Greek against the then small city of Rome.There's Alexander in Sparta as he was one of the 300.It seems to be more of a Dorian name like Pausanias,Amyntas,Philip etc.

[akritas]

Its true TB, Paris also called as Alexander.!!!

[Ptolemy]

Alexander/Paris is a semi-historical person. Alexander the king of Corinth appears to be the first historical person from the Alexanders of antiquity.

Antiquity
Alaksandu, ca. 1280 BC
Alexander of Corinth, 10th king of Corinth (816-791 BC)
Alexander I of Macedon
Alexander of Pherae despot of Pherae between 369 and 358 BC
Alexander I of Epirus king of Epirus about 342 BC
Alexander II of Epirus king of Epirus 272 BC
Alexander II of Macedon
Alexander the Great (Alexander III of Macedon), King of Macedon, 336–323 BC

Alexander - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandros)

[Drama]

ALEXANDER IN ALBANIAN MEANS "BORN LIKE A DREAM" .
exp: A'LE'X'ANDER :A LE KI SI ANDERR .
IS NOT SCRIVED IN THE GREEK HISTORY THAT OLYMPIA SEE IN HER DREAM ALEXANDER , HER SON , BEFORE HER PREGNANCY ?!
:nono::nono::nono:

the name was ALEXANDROS ;)
ALEXANDER is the latin name...

Alexandros = "defender of men," from alexein "to ward off, keep off, turn (something) away, defend, protect" + aner (gen. andros) "man." = defender of men

[Drama]

It's so funny that some dumb albanians try to tell us Greeks our history.. these pillocks aren't able to govern their own state but getting internet connections to tell the world about history... :lol:

[Flipper]

BUT!! Was Alexander the Great the very first Alexander known?



According to Eusebius, the first man in Greece named Alexander, was Alexander of Corinth, 10th King of his city who ruled around the late 9th century.

[Euklid]

Alexandros (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/persfreq?lookup=*)ale/candros&lang=greek&bytepos=361886&wordcount=1&doc=Perseus:text:1999.04.0072&formentry=0) by genre and by writer.

[Bes Molosi]

1- Epeiros In Albanian Means : Highland !
2- Herodotos < The Father Of History > Call Epeiros The First Barbarian Land !
3- The Epeiros Ethnic Map Propesed By Byzantine Historians Call Them Epeirotes Not Greeks !
4- The Same Map Proposed By Them Is Already The Dialectic Map Of Albanians , Ghegh( Southern Or Surviving - Illyrians ) And Tosk ( Epeirotes ) !
5- The Tosk Speakers Live From Genessus To Arta < Aprouved By Top Channel , that Talk With Those Peopple > !!
6- Arta In Albanian Means : Gold City , How Is Described In The Antichity , Like The Most Reachest City Of Epeiros !
7- Ioannina In Albanian Means : Our City !
8- Saranda In Albanian Means : Nether City !
9- Argyrocastro In Albanian Means : Gold Neck Fortress !
10-Tepelena In Albanian Means : Horses City !
11-Valona In Albanian Means : Incandescent City !
12- Himara In Albanian Means : High Altitude !
13- Parga In Albanian Means : First Fortress City !
14- Preveza In Albanian Means : First Placement City !
15- Thessprotia In Albanian Means : Chest Manifactor Land !
16- Chaonia In Albanian Means : Bull Land !
17- < Molossia > In Albanian Means : Apple Land !
18- Greek Call The Occupated Cities In Epeiros Colonies ?!
19- Albanians In Half - Life Where Called Epeirotes ?!
20- Le Jean ( 1840 ) Publicied A Map Of Ballkans And Call Epeirotes Albanians Divided : Majorance Albanian - Orthodoxes Leaded By Greek Orthodox Curch , And A Minorance Albanian - Moslems Leaded By The Sheryat Of Istanbul !!
21- All The " Greeks " Of Albania Have Latin ( Vlach ) Names : Dule , Bollano , Caramelo , Gianni , Pacho , Pechi , Pano Etc.
22- In Albania Live More Than 250.000 Moslem Epeirotes ( Real ) Genocided By Greeks !
23- Albanians Do Not Call Tsamouria The Province Of Thessprotia , But All The South Epeiros ( Part Of Greece ) !
24- The Albanian Language Was Called By Costantinpole : " Epeirotikis " And The Albanian People " Epeirotes " !
25- The Vatican Already This Days ( From 1100-2007 ) Call The Albanian Language " Epiroticum " And The Albanian Peopple " Epirotarum " < In Latin > !
26-< ~ Psalides ? > " The Father Of The Greek Historio - Graphia " Call Epeiros Historicly Part Of Albania , " The Left Part Of Pindus Are Albanian And The Right Part Is Historicly Greek ( ? ? - Vlach ) ?!
27- This Days The Historical Epeiros Is Inhabbited In The Northern Part ( Albania ) By A Dominant Albanian Majorance Over 90% And A Small Vlach Minorance <10% , The Southern Epeiros ( Tsamouria / Greece ) Is Inhabbited By A Pontic ( Coloners From Turkey ) Majorance 60% And An Albanian Minorance 35% And A Small Vlach Part 5% , Where Are The Greeks ? The Pontic Language Like Cretan Are Considered Different From Greek By The Linguists ?!
28- Achiles Was Called In Epeiros < < < Aspetos > > > That For Sure That In Albanian Means < < < The Fast > > > Like Was Called By Homer ( Achiles The Fast ) !
29- Venetian Maps Describe The Despotate Of Epeiros Like Albanians Of Greek ( ? ~ Orthodox ) - Religion ?!
30- Nead More ??

[Flipper]

Ok, buddy...You just know what they tell you and not what you discover yourself...Let's see how wrong you're.

[b]1- Epeiros In Albanian Means : Highland !

Pitty Epirus means main land in Greek...

Now don't lie about the Albanian etymology since Highland in Albanian is malësisë. :nono:


2- Herodotos < The Father Of History > Call Epeiros The First Barbarian Land !


Hehe, source? Do you want me to make a list on ancient historians and epirus? Do you forget that those people fought in the Trojan war?


3- The Epeiros Ethnic Map Propesed By Byzantine Historians Call Them Epeirotes Not Greeks !


Welcome to the Greek world. We all call eachother our regional name duh! When I call an Islander by his name does it mean i don't consider him a Greek?



4- The Same Map Proposed By Them Is Already The Dialectic Map Of Albanians , Ghegh( Southern Or Surviving - Illyrians ) And Tosk ( Epeirotes ) !


It would be nice if you read again what you wrote and try to figure out what you mean.


5- The Tosk Speakers Live From Genessus To Arta < Aprouved By Top Channel , that Talk With Those Peopple > !!


???


6- Arta In Albanian Means : Gold City , How Is Described In The Antichity , Like The Most Reachest City Of Epeiros !


Gold = flori in Albanian...Don't try to fool us...Arta is from the greek verb Artao/Arto.


7- Ioannina In Albanian Means : Our City !


City = qytet in Albanian

Ioannina derives simply from the name Ioannis or Ioanna.


8- Saranda In Albanian Means : Nether City !


Neither = asnjeri in Albanian
Liar! :mad:

Saranda = fourty in Greek. And the name of the city is Ayi Saranda, which means the fourty saints.



9- Argyrocastro In Albanian Means : Gold Neck Fortress !



You lie again...Gold is Flori, Fortress = fortesë.

Argyrocastro means silver castle in Greek...Argyro = Silver, castro = castle.


10-Tepelena In Albanian Means : Horses City !


Horse = kalë in Albanian



11-Valona In Albanian Means : Incandescent City !


Incandescent = inkandeshent in Albanian


12- Himara In Albanian Means : High Altitude !


Altitude = lartësi

Maybe I should stop here...You have already filled the page with bullshit...

Boy, stop trolling...Remember that every Greek knows some Albanian that can verify your shit.

[Spartan]

Bes Molosi,

please read what Pseudo-Skylax says where Illyria ends and Epirus begins before you start posting such hilarious cut and paste jobs from an Albanian neo-nationalist site! He wrote at the end of the 6th century B.C.E.

"Chaones: And after Illyrians. Chaones. And Chaonia has good harbors...."

So as you can easily read the Epirotes are clearly SEPERATED from the Illyrians. The Chaones are the 1st Epirotic tribe to the south of Illyria and we also have the Thesprotians, Mollosians and Kassopians.


http://www.le.ac.uk/ar/gjs/skylax_for_www_02214.pdf

[TirAlb]

i don't want to get into this,but i think that both of you need som explanations!

sorry but im not able to use quote,and dont know why!
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Pitty Epirus means main land in Greek...
Now don't lie about the Albanian etymology since Highland in Albanian is malësisë. :nono:
...............
reply-Theres a word in Albanian, Eperm or eper that means upper,for example upper city,upper region ect.
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Hehe, source? Do you want me to make a list on ancient historians and epirus? Do you forget that those people fought in the Trojan war?
Welcome to the Greek world. We all call eachother our regional name duh! When I call an Islander by his name does it mean i don't consider him a Greek?
It would be nice if you read again what you wrote and try to figure out what you mean.
???
..............
reply-I think he is trying to say that there's a separation beetwen north albanians Geg and south albanians,and they are divided geographicaly from the Shkumbin river,that's also the border between illyrians and epirotes.
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Gold = flori in Albanian...Don't try to fool us...Arta is from the greek verb Artao/Arto.
..................
Reply-also "Ar" is albanian and is much more common.
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City = qytet in Albanian
Joannina derives simply from the name Ioannis or Ioanna.
Neither = asnjeri in Albanian
Liar! :mad:
Saranda = fourty in Greek. And the name of the city is Ayi Saranda, which means the fourty saints.
You lie again...Gold is Flori, Fortress = fortesë.
Argyrocastro means silver castle in Greek...Argyro = Silver, castro = castle.
Horse = kalë in Albanian
Incandescent = inkandeshent in Albanian
..............
Reply-valon is an albanian word(the root is val-wave) meaning boil,boiling,hot ect)
However i think that trying to prove evyry citys name as albanian is useless.Saranda or Santi Quarantta takes the name from the nearer orthodox church of the 40 saints(or smth like that).Argjirokaster takes the name from the legend of the princess argjiro or Janina from the name john an so on.There was an wide spread greek influence in south albania mostly due to the greek church so is quite normal to have also greek names.

[Tsontos]

There should be a law against amatuer etymology. Its every Skopjian and Albanian's favourite part-time occupation and is very very annoying to read.

[Flipper]

1-MALESI MEANS MOUNTAINS LAND IN GHEGH ! IN TOSK EPERI MEANS HIGHLAND ! :lol::lol::lol::lol:
2-FLORI MEANS PRECIOUS , AR = GOLD , EXAMPLE ARJAN ( ARYAN ) , AR + JANE = GOLD ARE > GOLDEST ( PEOPLE > ALBANIANS ) ! :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
3-IOANNINA > JONE ANE , OUR PARTS !! :lol::lol::lol::lol:
4-NEITHER ??? NETHER <<< SA RENE DHE , SOO NETHER EARTH ! :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
5-ARGYROCASTRO , AR GJIRE KA ZER DHE ( IS IN TOSK STUPID SHEEPS , STANDART ALBANIAN OF YOU'RE STUPID DICTIONARIES IS BASED ON ARVANITE MIXED WITH GHEGH AND SHKIP :lol::lol::lol: ) = GOLD NECK HAS OCCUPY THE EARTH ! :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
6-KALI - THE HORSE ( MALE ) , PELA - THE HORSE ( FEMALE ) ! :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
7-AVULLON , VALONE , VLONE , VLON' ETC. INCANDESCENT , EXPLODING ! :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
8-:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol: !
9-:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol: !
10-YOU ARE RIDICOULOUS , :lol::lol::lol::lol: !

1) Well, you seem to fail to see that you answered that way to your compatriot...:clap2:

2) Not even a god knows what on earth you're writing there...

Anyway, we'll let you dream now and rather focus on real sources rather than romantic comments.

[Orphic_Hymn]

Why do we attract all these fools?
While my knowledge of Albanian is next to nothing, that of IE words and roots isn't.
The word arguros derives from the IE root arg- = shine

similarly found in:
English= argent
Latin as: argentum
Old Iranian: argat
Old Persian: ardata
Armenian: arcat
Sanskrit: arjuna
Hellenic: arguros

and who would have guessed that with a little help from this (http://www.argjiro.net/fjalor/) online Albanian dictionary we'd also find:

Albanian: argjend

[Teukros]

Sorry but i have this only in italian!

PÃ*ride
(gr. Páris/Aléxandros, lat. Paris/Alexander)

Genealogia
Figlio di Prìamo e di Ecuba, noto con la doppia nominazione di Paride e di Alessandro, il più bello fra i principi di Troia. La sua gestazione è segnata da pronostici infausti, come spesso nella tradizione relativa agli eroi antichi: Ecuba sognò di generare una fascina di legna dal cui divampare si sviluppava un incendio tale da distruggere l’intera Troia. Per questo, su consiglio degli indovini, Paride fu abbandonato alla nascita sul monte Ida, dove venne allevato da un’orsa e infine adottato da un pastore.

Im going,to translate the parts in red:

-Son of Priam and Ecuba,known with a double denomination Paris and Alexander
-Ecuba in dream saw herself generating a fagot of woods from were started a fire able to destroy troy,Thats why Paris(alexander) by following the advice of the soothsayers was abbandoned....

Actually he was given the nickname Alexander because he was brave enough to keep the thieves away from the animals he was put to protect.He kept the men away.That is the meaning of the word Alexander

[Teukros]

ALEXANDER IN ALBANIAN MEANS "BORN LIKE A DREAM" .
exp: A'LE'X'ANDER :A LE KI SI ANDERR .
IS NOT SCRIVED IN THE GREEK HISTORY THAT OLYMPIA SEE IN HER DREAM ALEXANDER , HER SON , BEFORE HER PREGNANCY ?!
:nono::nono::nono:

Which source?share it with us!

[Teukros]

Whatever you poor minded want to imply your 'linguistic game' wouldn't have been pronounced correctly in Greek.I say this because I know your propaganda says that we change the foreign names in our language just like the Persian ones.The problem for you is that this word has a meaning in Greek that is accepted from ancient times and more important the letter 'ξ' Αλέξανδρος
is a very strange Greek letter and doesn't have any equivalent pronounce in other languages so it fixes only with Greek words.

[Flipper]

BUT!! Was Alexander the Great the very first Alexander known?



No the first famous Alexander was the King of Corinth back in the mycenaean era. Arekasadara is the written mycenaean form of Alexandra. The Luwians had a city named Aleksandaru as well.

[akritas]

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Vladimir Orel ,Albanian Etymological Dictionary, 1998