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Dikigoros1981
02-16-2006, 11:16 PM
Dear All

There have been many misconceptions that a "Macedonian" (Slavonic) language did exist prior to 1910 as an official language. Many Bulgarian documents as a result were tweaked by Skopje and re-written in the new "Macedonian" language after its formation in the mid to late 1940s. These documents have been considered, "authentic Macedonian" documents, yet if this was to be the case why did the United States of America not recognise such a language. Note section 137 at the bottom of the page and the year 1910, AFTER THE SO CALLED, "MACEDONIAN" ILINDEN UPRISING (KRUSEVO):

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DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE AND LABOR

BUREAU OF THE CENSUS

WASHINGTON

Thirteenth Census of the United States

April 15, 1910

INSTRUCTIONS TO ENUMERATORS

Study these instructions carefully before beginning work and carry this book with you during your work.

Washington: Government Printing Office: 1910


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p.32

INSTRUCTIONS TO ENUMERATORS

134. The following is a list of principal foreign languages spoken in the United States. Avoid giving other names when one in this list can be applied to the language spoken. With the exception of certain languages of eastern Russia, the list gives a name for every European language in the proper sense of the word.

Albanian Gypsy Roumanian
Armenian Irish Russian
Basque Italian Rutherian
Bohemian Japanese Scotch
Breton Lappish Servian or Croatian (including Bosnian, Dalmatian, Herzegovinian and Montenegrin)
Bulgarian Lettish Slovak
Chinese Little Russian Slovenian
Danish Lithuanian Spanish
Dutch Magyar Swedish
Finnish Moravian Syrian
Flemish Norwegian Turkish
French Polish Welsh
German Portuguese Wendish
Greek Rhaeto-Romish (including Ladin & Friulan) Yiddish

135. Do not write "Austrian," but write German, Bohemian, Ruthenian, Roumanian, Slovenian, Slovak, or such other term as correctly defines the language spoken.

136. Do not write "Slavic" or "Slavonian," but write Slovak, Slovenian, Russian, etc., as the case may be.

137. Do not write "Macedonian," but write Bulgarian, Turkish, Greek, Servian, or Roumanian, as the case may be.


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Furthermore it should be noted in the list of languages recognised that there are some which really do not even exist or are spoken readily today. Even Gypsy was recognised, therefore surely if "Macedonian" was the language of the time, and the language was distinct from being referred to as a Western Bulgarian idiomatic tongue (See the Encyclopaedia of language and linguistics which affirms this point), some recognition would have been given by the United States, or were the Americans also intensely denying these people the linguistic recognition which they deserved? Well, the answer is very obvious, and does not even require attention. Then again, some of our learned colleagues from maknews have suggested that there was a western world conspiracy to ensure that the Hellenic nature of Macedonia be kept in place, hence it was THE ONLY language out of a list of all possible language that was "not recognised". I'm not sure if this particular census has been posted before, and I apologise if it has. I am new to the forum. It is definitely a reference however which is worth referring to.


Dikigoros1981

Spartan
02-17-2006, 12:44 AM
Welcome Dikigoros!

I don't believe that info has been posted in here before. Even if it had been it is no big deal. The more information we have the better.

Hope to see more post with new info soon.

akritas
02-17-2006, 11:25 AM
Welcome Dikigoros 1981.
Nice to see you. :)

preston
02-19-2006, 03:31 AM
I realise I posted the article I found on the wrong thread...this is the link for you use
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=381

Xiotis
09-13-2006, 08:00 PM
Our slavic friends love to refer to Ellis Ilsand records from 1911 to support their notion of the existence of a 'Macedoinan' ethnicity. There is no evidence to state that the descriptor "Macedonian" was anything other than a regional descriptor! The US census authorities recognized this and put forth the following rules in their 1910 census. Check out point # 137 in the following link. The use of the term 'Macedonian' was clearly a regional descriptor that applied to more than one type of ethnicity!!

http://www.ipums.umn.edu/usa/voliii/inst1910.html


I dont know if this has been posted here already but im sure it will help some of you in your 'discussions' with our friends on various forums.

akritas
09-14-2006, 04:35 PM
I just merge Xiotis and Diki threads:)

Flipper
09-18-2006, 06:53 PM
Welcome Dikigoros!