Nikos and Preston(everyone welcome)

[preston]

I thought we better take our conversation in a specific place.
I will start by commenting on your post.

So the outcome is that the name issue is a matter of low interest in Greece, but of huge interest among the Greeks of Australia. Few from the USA seem also concerned.
However I have never met in the Macedonian forums someone from Germany, Sweden, Belgium, UK, Italy, Cyprus and other places where numerous Greek communities exist. Is there anybody from these countries here?
The issue is of low interest to Greeks because Greeks have no idea what a fyrominian are. I will speak with certainty that you personally have never meet one of them and have no idea what they believe. We live with them, we go to soccer games with them, we go to the markets with them, we know their customs, we know their religion, their language and more importantly we know how much they hate us. You have forgotten about them, we have not! Your opinion about the Greek communities of other countries is mistaken.

The Greeks of Greece appear to be ready to recognize Macedonia if the national interest of Greece dictates that we should do so.
On the other hand the Greeks of Australia shout that Greece should by no means do the above.
So there it is a division in global Hellenism. The Greek communities do not understand each other anymore and this is catastrophic.
The goal must be the unity and everything will follow.
The Greeks of Greece will recognize them with the name they want simply because we have lost that battle. The same way in 1988 I had no idea what they are Greece had none in 1992 and therefore we lost. All we saying is Greece do not do the mistake again, listen to us because the next time you will lose half our land and all our identity…dramatic statement?…let me show in the days to follow why an ex-President Guard with nothing more then Greek blood in his veins, an international accreditation of Journalism and 2 Greek government awards, that visits Greeks twice a year believes so!..The Greek comunities in the world are united...Greece is not!


The Greek community of Australia is fanatized. I don't know what are the relations with the Macedonian immigrants there, you will have to tell us.
Perhaps the Australian governments follow the policy of devide and rule towards the ethnic communities of Australia.
But you must understand that this must not affect the Balkan policy of Greece.
The Greek foreign policy will not change because 10 idiots burn the Greek flag in Melbourne.
The Greek community of Australia is not fanatised, the President of the local Pan-Makedoniki has no support by the Greek government, non from the official leadership of the Greek community and is considered a traitor by Florinians and other Macedonians, the Greek community of Australia knows what the Slavomacedonians are. Period. The Australian government has tried to help us but because of the position of the Greek government on the issue is now helping them as much as us without doing any favors to none. The Balkan policy of Greece is what is going to maintain or destroy our existence as leaders in the region, I personally have great trust in it, the absence of knowledge of the Greek public about the Slavomacedonians is what scares me. Turkey is our “brother” compare to them!

Please note that from today we have a new minister of Foreign affairs, Dora Bakoyianni who has expressed diffirent ideas with regard to the Greek-Macedonian relations.

As I said before, I’m a journalist, I get the press releases same time as all editors in Greece.

PS: Food for thought…you know how we were glad that that Cypriot lady that won a compensation case in the international court against Turkey regarding her lost property in occupied Cyprus? How many Slavomacedonians have won that all ready and how many have started similar claims against Greece?
More food for thought.. Did you know the owner of the 3 Casinos in FYROM, that care for the Greek cliental is an active member of the Macedonian Alliance in Melbourne and all the money he makes from the Greek gamblers ends up in the pockets of the organizations that support a FYROM including Thessaloniki?Do you have any idea how much cash that is and how untraceable it is?
More food for thought ..did you know that a substantial number of Greeks that own property in Eddesa, Florina and other places are taking advantage of the new Ktimatologio and the new land pistopiitika for Greeks abroad which they then register in Skopia at the same government authorities for future use?

Would all the above and thousands more that I will post for you have any impact on the Greek attitude?…will it have any impact on you?

[Tsontos]

lol Nikov is a red skopjian man. he thought he would be able to come here and convince us that self-determination is the way to go because the world doesnt have to listen to our "mumbo jumbo". then he tried convicing us that by opposing skopjian monkey propaganda we are handing our macedonia to bulgaria

hopefully nikos has a nice life

[preston]

lol Nikov is a red skopjian man. he thought he would be able to come here and convince us that self-determination is the way to go because the world doesnt have to listen to our "mumbo jumbo". then he tried convicing us that by opposing skopjian monkey propaganda we are handing our macedonia to bulgaria

hopefully nikos has a nice life

IS THAT RIGHT?? :mad: IF TΗΑT IS THE CASE I WILL GO FOR...ΦΩΤΙΑ ΚΑΙ ΤΣΕΚΟΥΡΙ ΣΤΟΥΣ ΠΡΟΣΚΥΝΗΜΕΝΟΥΣ!!:clap2:

[Nikos]

Preston,

First of all I don’t want to get involved in a me-you debate. Also I want no one to change their mind in this forum.

Let’s speak on the heart of the issue.
Oh yes! They hate us. I know. Did you expect them to love us?

The last 15 years we look on the tree but we are losing the forest. We are absorbed by the name dispute and we have never considered what is beyond the name.
To say: the Greek-Macedonian relations.
And this because 15 years now we haven’t resolved on how to name these relations. We want to write a letter but we are stuck on the title.

The Greek-Macedonian relations have two branches. The relations between Greece with the Republic of Macedonia, and the relations between the Greek and Macedonian communities worldwide.

The relations between Greece and the Republic of Macedonia is a huge chapter itself, maybe we should discuss it separately.

I know that there are ethnic tensions among the various communities in Australia. I saw what happened in the football match, also what happened in December when the Arabs were lynched by the English.
Perhaps the prime minister of Greece must have an official meeting with their president and discuss (and press) on what can be done in order this tension is eased somehow.
But this cannot be done as long as the name issue is pending. The leaders of the two countries never meet because they don’t agree on how to call the country.

However, the ethnic tensions in Australia e.g. must not determine the Balkan policy of Greece. The Greek community of Australia is a part of the Greek foreign policy but it is another subject. It is not a subject of our Balkan policy. It is not a Balkan issue. It is an omogeneia issue.

You say that the Greek government did nothing for you the last 15 years. I answer that yes they did. When you met them, you told them that Greece must not recognize Macedonia, and so they did. And they have their consciousness clean.
When a Macedonian delegation appeared in a congress with the sticker “Macedonia” in front of them, we did a lot of trouble and the chairman requested them to put the label FYROM in front of them, so they did and this was a great victory for Hellenism.

Hence our officials pay off their debt by not recognizing Macedonia and they are not obliged to do something more substantial. And this is due to the fact that the foreign policy in Greece is done for domestic consumption only and it doesn’t have vision.

Here in Greece we are self confident about them. Their country is not in the position to threaten us. Whatever maps the publish Thessaloniki will be Thessaloniki and not Solun. And it would be a fatal mistake to attack Greece. And they deeply know that the good relations with Greece are for their own good.

As regards the food for thought you served:

European court: Nothing happened with Titina Loizidou who sewed Turkey for her property in occupied Cyprus. The Greek Cypriots didn’t take their properties back, and Turkey continues its European negotiations.
Nothing will happen with the Begalitsi too. Leave aside that perhaps Strassbourg doesn’t justify them because they lost their properties little after WWII and there are 2 million Germans deported from Czech then, 1 million blah blah. If EC justifies all of them Europe will return in the pre WWII status, and no one want this.
Also how old are those begalitsi? Look at the photo of the Preston fun. Until legal and burocratic proceedings accomplish in the EU, believe me they will have died all of them.
Let them go to Strassbourg, no big deal.
Next dish please.

About the ktimatologio, no big deal again. It is foolish to register Greek land in the ktimatologio in Skopje. Leave aside that those who do this can have legal consequences in Greece. We will not lose our sleep each time some fools do a malakia.

About the funding of their radical associations, it is a serious matter because their communities in Australia seem to act independently. However it can be regulated if the prime minister of Greece visits Skopje and put the condition for not funding such organizations.

But all the matters you raise are irrelevant to the name issue. We do not prevent such hostilities as long as we refuse to recognize them. To the contrary the non-recognition detracts us from encountering these matters.

I understand that we would be happier if they had never existed. But the moment that they exist we must face the situation with realism.

[PhiliptheUniterchaeronea]

I have to go with Preston on this. I think you are blowing off the whole deal much too casually. No long term outlook in my opinion, where Preston is looking longterm.

[Amarantos]

Also I want no one to change their mind in this forum.
Dialogue is made for this Nikos.Discuss,put the various opinions on the table and find the truth.And,ok,maybe change ours or your mind.The way you say it, seems like :"i want you to change your mind"Maybe a psycological meccanism?I think one should ask that human like me thing,for an answer!


Oh yes! They hate us. I know. Did you expect them to love us?
I understand that we would be happier if they had never existed. But the moment that they exist we must face the situation with realism
Well to be honest i wouldn't have imagine that fyromian people hate greeks that way until i read stefov!It looked really scary to me and this is what allarmed me more for trying from now on to make clear to all greeks who sleep τον υπνο του δικαιου ,that is the sleep of justice,what is happening on the other side.You know what they say:It's NEVER too late!!!I think Preston agrees with this.My regards:thumbs:
I'm sure Nilkos you are not tuned in with all things risto says,don't you?


The last 15 years we look on the tree but we are losing the forest. We are absorbed by the name dispute and we have never considered what is beyond the name.
To say: the Greek-Macedonian relations.
And this because 15 years now we haven’t resolved on how to name these relations. We want to write a letter but we are stuck on the title.
You know that this is COMPLETELY UNTRUE!Apart the name issue relations between Greece and fyrom are going great!Proof?The fact that big part of fyromian economy is based on greek money.And fyromians what do they do?They bite the hand that feeds them.I ask every one .Not a trace of ΦΙΛΟΤΙΜΟ(filotimo) ,at all in them?Ungrateful to such point for the help we are giving them?

However, the ethnic tensions in Australia e.g. must not determine the Balkan policy of Greece. The Greek community of Australia is a part of the Greek foreign policy but it is another subject. It is not a subject of our Balkan policy. It is not a Balkan issue. It is an omogeneia issue.
Again that habit you have to separate Hellenism.Come on Nikos!Ceasar of ancient Rome was doing such thing.Devide and rule.But his was serving his own interests in this way,no?And some others nowdays that with the name macedonia want to "unite"(which is devide)those poor bulgars and albanians.Keep them divided for ever.Keeping divided in that way the balkans,from the moment that this story causes friction in all the area!




However it can be regulated if the prime minister of Greece visits Skopje and put the condition for not funding such organizations.
Visiting skopje and legalizing in this "celebrating" way the biggest historical fraud of all times?:nono: :nono: :nono:

But all the matters you raise are irrelevant to the name issue.
At you opinion in all those cases when they go in front of the international courts,how they should present themselves.I say with their legal names.Fyrom,fyromian.

When a Macedonian delegation appeared in a congress with the sticker “Macedonia” in front of them, we did a lot of trouble and the chairman requested them to put the label FYROM in front of them, so they did and this was a great victory for Hellenism.
A great victory in one battle,indeed.:clapping: Won the battle,we shall also win the war.
:read: :read: :read:

[preston]

Niko, this is not a debate this is just talking.
I do not believe (and find it hard to see any one else does) that there is a division between Greeks in Greece and Greeks in Diaspora, what there is total absence of coordination originating from Greece and total ignorance too our views by the Greek State. How can it be? we do not vote ,so we have no value to the Greek politicians, top it up with the fact that they see us as “americanakia” and "kolovlahous me dolaria" and then you have your picture of the real division.
Loizidou was granted the right to compensation, that’s all that was necessary, she was not after the real money nor the return of property. She was after and got the precedent. Tell me what happens when one of them get’s it to?, how much would our Balkan policy get damaged and changed?
I love your optimism, it makes me homesick! Me piani nostalgia lol!:worshippy

Look, the name issue is simple, they will get it and they will then move on to their next step which is land claim through legal chanels and on individual cases, then, there will come their next step which is investements and immigrations (return) to their properties (that will be also help by EU) and then, the final step which is the true establishment of a strong minority in our Makedonia and then the clock will go back 100 years ( you will even have a Macedonski Universitata of Solun) and all our achievements will be lost and then…YOU (AS A MODERN NEOELLINAS WHO THINk HE IS THE BEST IN HIS VILAGE) WILL REALISE HOW STUPID GREECE WAS NOT TO LISTEN TO US AND LOOK FOR SOLUTIONS NOW!!.
Hey who knows maybe then you will just send the Kritikous and Kalamatianous up there to repeat what their grandfathers did!!!..History repeat it self isn’t that what they say Niko Ellina?:thumbs:
PS: These old people had children 2 to 4 each one of them, what do you think these kids are doing today? How old do you thing they are and where were they educated?..How do you thing they feel about their father's lost property in Greece that worth more money that they can ever have in their lifes?...Do you thing they will do nothing? Ask someone here to post the press release that they put out last year on their demands...Children of The Macedonian refugees from all over the world. (Unfortunately I can't find my copy)

PS2: So do you know one of them, or have you ever meet one of them?

[Orphic_Hymn]

The Greeks of Greece appear to be ready to recognize Macedonia if the national interest of Greece dictates that we should do so.
Honestly, who the hell made you the representative of the Hellinic thesis in this matter and why, once again spread such manipulated info regarding the issue ???
Can you support your beliefs based on legitimate arguments, why the intentional manipulating of facts and minformation ???
Next time you choose to speak in the name of the Hellines currently living in Hellas, do think twice..
Since I happen to be one of many that share my ideas, I must inform you that not all of us are neo-Hellinic progressivists that think like you do..

This Nikolaki, is the Hellinic thesis of both those in Hellas and those abroad. A thesis that was supported by the voice of thousands of spectators..
(obviously you are an exception)

http://media.putfile.com/sinthima-parelasi

Just in case you didn't hear it:

ΣΤΟΥΣ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΕΣ ΡΕΕΙ ΑΙΜΑ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΟ, ΣΤΑ ΣΚΟΠΙΑ ΔΕΝ ΘΑ ΔΩΣΟΥΜΕ ΤΟ ΟΝΟΜΑ ΑΥΤΟ !!!

[preston]

http://media.putfile.com/sinthima-parelasi

Just in case you didn't hear it:

ΣΤΟΥΣ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΕΣ ΡΕΕΙ ΑΙΜΑ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΟ, ΣΤΑ ΣΚΟΠΙΑ ΔΕΝ ΘΑ ΔΩΣΟΥΜΕ ΤΟ ΟΝΟΜΑ ΑΥΤΟ !!!
That is the most brilliant footage I have ever seen, Orphic_Hymn you are brilliant. Our lokatzides yelled that out in frond of the Politicians while they meant to be quite and march.... BRAVOOOO AFTOS INE O ELLINAS
ΣΤΟΥΣ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΕΣ ΡΕΕΙ ΑΙΜΑ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΟ, ΣΤΑ ΣΚΟΠΙΑ ΔΕΝ ΘΑ ΔΩΣΟΥΜΕ ΤΟ ΟΝΟΜΑ ΑΥΤΟ !!:clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2:

[preston]

Maybe Nikos missed this news item in the Greek TV last December...or maybe he did not missed it because it was never shown by the liberated Greek Media..regrdless to the fact that atracted thousands of Makedones..
ΜΕΓΑΛΕΣ ΣΤΙΓΜΕΣ ΓΙΑ ΤΗ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ ΜΑΣ, υπό την αιγίδα του Πανανγιωτάτου Μητροπολίτου Θεσσαλονίκης κ.κ. Ανθίμου!!!
ΙΣΤΟΡΙΚΟ ΨΗΦΙΣΜΑ & ΝΕΑ ΚΟΙΝΗ ΠΟΡΕΙΑ 3,5 εκατομμυρίων Μακεδόνων του Παγκόσμιου Ελληνισμού!!!
Θεσσαλονίκη 9-12-2005
What do you have to say to them Niko?
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e338/echoau/PASMAK4.jpg

[Nikos]

Thousands of Makedones? Who told you this? This concentration was a failure.

First of all the government and all the political parties and organizations boycotted it and very well did. Anthimos wants only to gain influence, that's why he plays with this matter. Samaras did the same, Karatzaferis also does.
And all of them will have the same route with Samaras.


It was organized by the Arhiepiskopi of Thessaloniki (the church), and they managed to gather only some members of the church related organizations of Thessaloniki. (Zoi and Sotiras).

Look more carefully the appearence and the ages of the audience. Same concentrations you will see also in Iran.

These church related organizations in Thessaloniki are very strong, their members support each other, they control key sectors of the city and of course are vertically opposed to anything new.
They are extremely conservatives, radical rights, who are dreaming of a theocratic regime like Iran.
That's why they managed to gather only a few members of "Sotiras".

The only thing I have to say to those ultra-cons "blacks" is EDIT***EDIT***EDIT***

:rolleyes: I have an idea:
If you there in Australia love Anthimos, Karatzaferis, Psomiadis etc, we can put them in an airplane and send them to you for ever.

[preston]

Niko...you are brilliant:worshippy . The true Neo-Ellinas that cares nothing about what has made him what he is today. You can keep Karatzaferis and send us all the priests!!
We still believe in Patrida-Thriskia ke Ikogenia. Where do you believe Niko?
Let me build your psychological profile…Nothing personal, is just that I know your kind, I used to be one of you!
You probably anti-American and have a Master Card or a Viza card in your wallet.
You probably swear at the church and still will take there your babies and your dead!
You probably knew all about how the Olympics will go but did not volunteer nor bough a ticket after, simply stayed home and watched it on TV.
You probably know everything about the world politics and never (or maybe some time go to the same place within Greece for summer holidays) travelled anywhere outside.
You probably know where Imia is (because it was in the media) but have no idea about where Strofadia is.
Basically you are a talker and not a doer! That’s the Neo-Ellinas.
Nikooooo….too much TV zapping megaleeee! Kofto tha se piraxi, ine san tin proini!!:nono:
As I said, nothing personal just talking!:)

[akritas]

Preston
I disagree with you as about the Neo-Ellinas,. He is not Hellene. :read:

[preston]

Preston
I disagree with you as about the Neo-Ellinas,. He is not Hellene. :read:

Did not mean to offend you my dear friend. You know what I mean..unfortunately there are a lot like him there. Niko, snap out of it and remember what you swore for in the army. I take it you went to the army !?

[akritas]

Personnaly I did not take as offend :)
but I know and you know that there are Greeks that are closed in the Nikos ideas but
the latter is not Greek, this is my prsonnal opinion. I know him and from other forum and his writing reminds me some others "neigbors" (not FYROMians)

[Orphic_Hymn]

You probably know everything about the world politics
One correction if you'll allow me... he thinks he knows but i reality doesn't know s**t..
Preston
I disagree with you as about the Neo-Ellinas,. He is not Hellene.

The term Neo-Hellinas, isn't used to define 'modern Hellines' as in contrast to 'ancient', which I truelly believe he has no connection to neither. Well at least I didn't use it as such and by reading preston's post, I believe he gave the exact same meaning as I did.

Its used to describe all those 'ksenodoulous ragiades', the illiterate nothings that are connected to the greatness of Hellas only because of a drunken mistake. For all those that are responsible, and have assisted in the annihilation and extinction of every trace of mental and cultural heritage.
All those Neo-Hellines like our dear friend Nikolakis, are to blame, for the elimination of every ideal and virtue embodied, protected with blood and offered to the world by the Hellinic race throughout history..

But since you mentioned neighbors, kai'gw gia 15xrono Albanako ton kobw...

[akritas]

I agree with the etymology of the neo-hellenas Orphic.
As about our neigbor propably must close in the East Balkans.:)

[preston]

Niko and all of you like him!
Since my earlier posting in previous page explaining my scenario of what they will do I have found the text of their “Refugee Children” DEMANDS.
http://maknews.com/html/articles/begalci/begalci_resolution_2005.html
Which is only 5 months old and Risto Stefov’s posting which is 1 day’s old. In his new forum titled “Looking in to the future 2 steps ahead” he is asking his floc of what they thinK they should demand from Greece, after few ‘idiotic” postings by them, like a good Shepard he is re-directing them to what they should do.
http://www.maknews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=22705#22705
Read the article first and then his posting at the end..Niko, go have a good thought before you reply to me ELLINA!

Resolution of the Refugee Children of the Greek Civil War

October 15, 2005

Janko Kalinchev
Melbourne, Australia

RESOLUTION

We the Refugee Children of the Greek Civil War, who have endured inhumane treatment from Greek Governments since 1946, who were born in Aegean Macedonia and who are scattered throughout the world, have gathered together in this Fourth World Meeting at the Macedonian center of Eling in Melbourne, Australia, to bring you the latest resolution. We demand:

Human and national rights for all Macedonians living inside Greece. That Greece, who is a member of the European Union and a signatory to guarantees of human rights for all its citizens, including the Macedonians, fulfills its obligations. That the Greek Government repeal the law enacted in 1982 designed to repatriate only "Greeks by birth". Greek citizens who were Greek by birth and had left Greece from 1946 to 1949, were allowed to return to Greece. Macedonians were excluded. That the Greek Government repeal the law enacted in 1985 designed to return confiscated properties belonging to only "Greeks by birth". War refugees who were "Greeks by birth" and had returned to Greece from 1982 to 1985 were given back their properties. Macedonians were again excluded.

With these two laws the Greek State has taken away our Greek citizenship and our lands. Because we are Macedonians, non-Greeks by birth, our homes and properties have been confiscated and awarded to settlers and colonists from Asia Minor and other places.

We demand that the Government of the Republic of Macedonia become openly and actively involved in the fight for human rights for the Macedonians living inside Greece. Thus far, past Macedonian governments have been silent on this issue and have allowed the Greek State to continue discriminating against its Greek citizens of Macedonian descent.

We the persecuted Refugee Macedonian-by-birth-Children, who have lived free everywhere in the world since our exodus from Greece, demand that we are allowed to enter Greece and visit our birth place and ancestral lands freely and without restrictions.

We also demand that all Macedonians living in Greece;

Be allowed to freely speak their Macedonian language at home, on the streets and in institutions where Macedonians live. Be granted the freedom to communicate freely among themselves and their Macedonian language be taught in schools, spoken in churches and used in the mass media. Be allowed to freely practice the Macedonian culture and traditions that have existed among Macedonians for ages.

We wish to emphasize that we want nothing more from the Greek State and the Greek Government than what is already defined as "human rights" and granted to every person on this planet by world institutions. We only want what Greece has already guaranteed its citizens and minorities in accordance with world standards.

Fourth World Meeting of the Refugee Children,
Melbourne, Australia
October 15, 2005

Janko Kalinchev
Coordinator

To: The Government of Greece,
Copies to: The Government of Australia,
The Government of the Republic of Macedonia
Relevant World Institutions.
_______________________________________________

Risto Stefov
Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 12:21 am Post subject:
Recognition of an ethnic identity under the minorities provision of the international human rights convention comes with a bag of goodies including education in the minority language. Most importantly, when a minority is recognized its history must also be recognized. Questions like; who are these people? Where do they come from? How many of them are there? How long have they been here, etc., must be answered.
Besides our recognition we have other outstanding issues with Greece which are not part of the minorities provisions. These are wrong doings by the state and property losses.
So outside of the minority issue we have repatriation of citizens and their families, repatriation of the offspring of those citizens, restoration or compensation for confiscated properties, compensation for losses on income from those properties, etc. I am sure we will need to involve lawyers to work out the details. Greece must also reconcile all damages committed against the Macedonian people. War crimes must also be investigated and criminal charges must be brought against the criminals.

None of the above is negotiable.

What is negotiable are the amounts of fines, the amounts paid for lost properties, the amounts paid for loss of income and the amounts of fines and lengths of sentences for those found guilty of committing war crimes.
I believe Greece has already set aside some funding for the above compensations. The best way to approach this is through a class action suit. I believe the Detsa Begaltsi in Skopje have already started the lawsuit (or a lawsuit).

Does anybody else have any more or anything new to add?

Pozdrav, Risto...
PS: The "missing link" of the above is that he is probably one of them. If someone can confirm that the Vilage "Trigono" near Florina is some short of prime estate area then it all makes sence!!:laugh: :laugh: :ufo:

[Orphic_Hymn]

With these two laws the Greek State has taken away our Greek citizenship and our lands. Because we are Macedonians, non-Greeks by birth, our homes and properties have been confiscated and awarded to settlers and colonists from Asia Minor and other places.

Don't you just love the historic accuracy seen in all their claims..:unsure:
Interestingly enough, not only do they mention the Hellines from Anatolia that arrived some 25 years prior to these events.. but also manipulate the well recorded reason for depriving them of their citizenship...

From the Human Rights Watch article titled :
DENYING ETHNIC IDENTITY (http://www.hrw.org/reports/pdfs/g/greece/greece945.pdf)

"Ethnic Macedonians living in Greek Macedonia, many of whom
called themselves "Bulgarians" before that time, increasingly began to refer to themselves as "Macedonians."
In 1947 those who had fought against the government in the civil war and
fled Greece were deprived of their citizenship and their property."

So I just hope Risto and the rest of those FYROMian halfwits can forgive the Hellinic goverment for not hunting every single one of the TRAITORS down and hanging their sorry ass on a cherry tree..
(I'm open to suggestions, if someone would prefer a different tree):lol:

[Nikos]

Preston if you want priests we can send you some. For the beginning we will send you Panteleimon (ex-bishop of Attiki), Theoklitos and Kolosouzas, Yiosakis and Kirilos, and various other brilliant spiritual fathers. (for your information all of the above where found involved in sexual, economical, and other more serious scandals).

Oh yes! the Neo-Ellines are to blame once again. The Neo-Ellines who are even worst than the worst of "Skopiani". :lol: :lol:

I am a Neo-Ellinas and I enjoy it very much. I like being Neo-Ellinas.
You guys (Orpfea & Preston) how do you define yourselves? Palioellines maybe?:lol:

As regards the psycho-test:

quote
"You probably anti-American and have a Master Card or a Viza card in your wallet".
Answer:
I am a little anti-american and I think I have some reasons for this. But I reject the evil conspiracy theories.

Q:
You probably swear at the church and still will take there your babies and your dead!
A: I never swear at church. However I take my babies and deads to church because as you know alternative ways (eg non-religious funerals) are not tolerated in Greece.

Q:
You probably knew all about how the Olympics will go but did not volunteer nor bough a ticket after, simply stayed home and watched it on TV.

A: Believe me I know a lot of things about Athens Olympics 2004, so I decided neither to volunteer, nor to buy any ticket, nor to watch them on TV. I was on holidays abroad during Olympics.

Q:
You probably know everything about the world politics and never (or maybe some time go to the same place within Greece for summer holidays) travelled anywhere outside.

A: Wrong estimation. I have travelled abroad several times. But not to the US, Australia and Republic of Macedonia.
About the Macedonians, I don't know them. Only from the forums of the web.

Q:
You probably know where Imia is (because it was in the media) but have no idea about where Strofadia is.

A: Ti einai ta Strofadia?

Q:
Basically you are a talker and not a doer!

A:Exactly!:clap2: I am just a talker who simply says some things to the forums. Do you want me to switch off my computer and start doing for the implementation of what I write here?

Q:
That’s the Neo-Ellinas.
A::thumbs: Perfect! That it is.

About their claims for properties within Greece, I don't give a shit.
There are people who have acquired them in Greece through fortunes or legal purchases. There are legal contracts for all of these properties.
No court will justify the children of the begalitsi and tell the children of some Greeks that they illigaly occupy properties that are in their possesion 50 years now with contracts and fortunes. It hasn't happend in Europe. If the European courts justify the begalitsis, then they must justify Greece against Germany for the war II compensations that Germany never paid to Greece.

[Orphic_Hymn]

I am a Neo-Ellinas and I enjoy it very much. I like being Neo-Ellinas.
You guys (Orpfea & Preston) how do you define yourselves? Palioellines maybe?

The opposite of Neo-Hellinas is 'palaioHellinas and not 'palioHellinas' which would give the meaning of 'bad' as in 'paliopaido', 'paliobrwma'...etc Lets use the lang. correctly, unless that was your objective
Since you ask, Hellinas is enough and honored to be able to be titled as one..
A: I never swear at church. However I take my babies and deads to church because as you know alternative ways (eg non-religious funerals) are not tolerated in Greece.

Not tolerated, says who ???
You either have absolutely no connection what so ever to reality or are caught once again lying and manipulating facts..
There is NO law that enforces you to have any kind of religious funeral, actually we have many examples of 'political' funerals, just as many examples of 'politic' weddings.
You, as preston so correctly noted, are a talker Nikolaki.. an alleged non-religious progressivist only in theory, that cries about being enforced to do things he doesn't agree with, but runs to church in fear of the clamour of his family, friends, reletives, neighbors..etc
That's the whole story Niko, you simply are too scared to stand up to what you allegedly believe in..
A: Ti einai ta Strofadia?
Open up a map and look below Zakynthos..
then they must justify Greece against Germany for the war II compensations that Germany never paid to Greece.
Thats a totally different issue.. but anyway, the compensation would have been paid if it wasn't for another Neo-Hellinas, the 'Areios Pagos' judge named Petros Kokkalis..

[preston]

Lol...gia sou re Nikola!!!
If nothing else you are a Neo-Ellinas no doubt.:clap2:
As far as what discribes us...well Orphic_Hymn has answered that already. Thanks for your answers Niko!:thumbs:

[Spartan]

"About their claims for properties within Greece, I don't give a shit.
There are people who have acquired them in Greece through fortunes or legal purchases. There are legal contracts for all of these properties.
No court will justify the children of the begalitsi and tell the children of some Greeks that they illigaly occupy properties that are in their possesion 50 years now with contracts and fortunes. It hasn't happend in Europe. If the European courts justify the begalitsis, then they must justify Greece against Germany for the war II compensations that Germany never paid to Greece."


They would also have to justify Greece against Turkey! But we all know that they don't care for anything Greek, so they would just ignore that also!

The biggest difference between the FYROMs who fled after the Civil War and the Greeks who fled Turkey(Anatolia) is that the FYROMs were fighting a War against the LEGAL Government, while the Greeks from Anatolia were just innocent civilians being massacred by both the Military and some civilians.

So if they think they have a case for being the losers of a war, then imagine what kind of doors that will open for the Anatolian Greeks! Their winning a civil suit against the Greece would actually help Greeks more than hurt them!!:lol:

[preston]

Spartan, your optimism is inspiring, lets hope that Greece wakes up in to what these Slavic Diaspora has in mind or we just going to have an other lost battle! It will be easier to refuse entry to this begaltsi (or whatever they are called) if we simply apply the fact that they are enemies of our state, after all we do live in times where the word terrorist can go a long way. Don’t you thing?