akritas
11-29-2005, 02:18 PM
Slavomacedonians of the FYROM in the last years are supporters of the Paleothilic continuity theory or as themselves said Slavic ethnogenesis.
The major support of this idea is the professor Mario Alinei. I will not analyze further this theory because I am not the person that will evaluate this theory/hypothesis is wrong or not. I will stay in some of mentioned quotes of Alinei that regards the connection the theory and the Greeks. Specially the ancient Macedonians
Quote #1
"The surmised 'Slavic migration' is full of inconsistencies. There is no 'northern Slavic language', it is rather only a variant of the southern Slavic... The first metallurgic cultures in the Balkans are Slavic... and connected with Anatolia... Slavic presence in the territory, nearly identical to the one occupied by them today, exists ever since the Stone Age... The Slavs have together with the Greeks and other Balkan peoples developed agriculture... agriculturally mixed economy, typically European, which later enabled the birth of the Greek, Etruscan, and Latin urbanism. Germanic peoples adopted agriculture from the Slavs... The Balkans is one of the rare regions in which a real and true settlement of human groups coming from Anatolia is proven...)
[Mario Alinei, Origini delle lingue d?Europa, Vol. I: La teoria della continuitIl Mulino, Bologna, 1996]
Quote #2
But the first, great Neolithic cultural complex of the Balkans, with all its subsequent developments, is usually subdivided in three main groups (see e.g. Lichardus and Lichardus 1985, 242, 253, 311 ff.), which can be identified, with greater or lesser ease, with as many linguistic groups:
(1) The Thessalian and Southern Macedonian culture of Proto-Sesklo, followed by Sesklo and Dimini, identifiable with the Greek group;
(2) The ‘Painted Ware’ cultures of Anzabegovo-Vršnik in Northern Macedonia, Starchevo in Serbia, Körös/Crish in Hungary and Romania, and Karanovo I in Bulgaria; followed later by Vincha (Serbia, Hungary and Romania), Veselinovo (Bulgaria), Dudeshti e Boian (Romania), identifiable with Southern Slavic;
(3) The Albanian ‘Painted Ware’ cultures of Vashtemi-Podgornie e Kolsh, followed by those of Chakran and the more recent Maliq, to the last of which Albanian prehistorians themselves attribute the origins of Illyrian.
Which would of course reflect the original frontiers between Greeks, Slavs and Illyrians. More over, as we shall see shortly, the original homogeneity of this Neolithic Balkanic block can also explain the formation of the so called Balkanic Sprachbund, characterized by a number of peculiar Greek, Albanian, Southern Slavic and Rumanian isoglosses, until now without any satisfactory explanation
http://www.continuitas.com/interdisciplinary.pdf
Clearly most of the supporters of this hypothesis distinct that the influence of the Greeks was in the same time as the Slavs and Illyrians in the Neolithic era.
Also the PT explain clearly that the Greek Macedonia was under in the influence of the Greek language.
The Northern or Upper Macedonia Kingdom (Paionians) never was under strong Greek influence as also and the Western (Illyrians) or Eastern (Thracians). A lot of wars describe by the ancient writers from ancient Macedonians against those tribes.
Also Mr Mario Alinei mention clearly as about the agriculture development in the same time from proto-Greeks with the proto-Slavs as also and the different languages zones as I have describe before.
A Slavmacedonian scholar Mr Risto Stefov never explain in his readers what Alinei said as about the origin of the ancient Macedonian. Alinei was not Ambrozic. He is a clever and very intelligence man.
Some people disagree as about the Alenei allegations as about the Slavic connection of the Troans or in the Lemnos e.t.c. .
But the professor was clear as about the Macedonia land and not the Kingdom.
The Macedonia land was under Greek influence. Geographically the ancient Macedonia land was the only the area of Pieria, as is characteristically mentioned by Hesiod and Thucydides.
akritas
The major support of this idea is the professor Mario Alinei. I will not analyze further this theory because I am not the person that will evaluate this theory/hypothesis is wrong or not. I will stay in some of mentioned quotes of Alinei that regards the connection the theory and the Greeks. Specially the ancient Macedonians
Quote #1
"The surmised 'Slavic migration' is full of inconsistencies. There is no 'northern Slavic language', it is rather only a variant of the southern Slavic... The first metallurgic cultures in the Balkans are Slavic... and connected with Anatolia... Slavic presence in the territory, nearly identical to the one occupied by them today, exists ever since the Stone Age... The Slavs have together with the Greeks and other Balkan peoples developed agriculture... agriculturally mixed economy, typically European, which later enabled the birth of the Greek, Etruscan, and Latin urbanism. Germanic peoples adopted agriculture from the Slavs... The Balkans is one of the rare regions in which a real and true settlement of human groups coming from Anatolia is proven...)
[Mario Alinei, Origini delle lingue d?Europa, Vol. I: La teoria della continuitIl Mulino, Bologna, 1996]
Quote #2
But the first, great Neolithic cultural complex of the Balkans, with all its subsequent developments, is usually subdivided in three main groups (see e.g. Lichardus and Lichardus 1985, 242, 253, 311 ff.), which can be identified, with greater or lesser ease, with as many linguistic groups:
(1) The Thessalian and Southern Macedonian culture of Proto-Sesklo, followed by Sesklo and Dimini, identifiable with the Greek group;
(2) The ‘Painted Ware’ cultures of Anzabegovo-Vršnik in Northern Macedonia, Starchevo in Serbia, Körös/Crish in Hungary and Romania, and Karanovo I in Bulgaria; followed later by Vincha (Serbia, Hungary and Romania), Veselinovo (Bulgaria), Dudeshti e Boian (Romania), identifiable with Southern Slavic;
(3) The Albanian ‘Painted Ware’ cultures of Vashtemi-Podgornie e Kolsh, followed by those of Chakran and the more recent Maliq, to the last of which Albanian prehistorians themselves attribute the origins of Illyrian.
Which would of course reflect the original frontiers between Greeks, Slavs and Illyrians. More over, as we shall see shortly, the original homogeneity of this Neolithic Balkanic block can also explain the formation of the so called Balkanic Sprachbund, characterized by a number of peculiar Greek, Albanian, Southern Slavic and Rumanian isoglosses, until now without any satisfactory explanation
http://www.continuitas.com/interdisciplinary.pdf
Clearly most of the supporters of this hypothesis distinct that the influence of the Greeks was in the same time as the Slavs and Illyrians in the Neolithic era.
Also the PT explain clearly that the Greek Macedonia was under in the influence of the Greek language.
The Northern or Upper Macedonia Kingdom (Paionians) never was under strong Greek influence as also and the Western (Illyrians) or Eastern (Thracians). A lot of wars describe by the ancient writers from ancient Macedonians against those tribes.
Also Mr Mario Alinei mention clearly as about the agriculture development in the same time from proto-Greeks with the proto-Slavs as also and the different languages zones as I have describe before.
A Slavmacedonian scholar Mr Risto Stefov never explain in his readers what Alinei said as about the origin of the ancient Macedonian. Alinei was not Ambrozic. He is a clever and very intelligence man.
Some people disagree as about the Alenei allegations as about the Slavic connection of the Troans or in the Lemnos e.t.c. .
But the professor was clear as about the Macedonia land and not the Kingdom.
The Macedonia land was under Greek influence. Geographically the ancient Macedonia land was the only the area of Pieria, as is characteristically mentioned by Hesiod and Thucydides.
akritas