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Greece may veto FYROM if agreement on name dispute is not reached: PM http://www.focus-fen.net/Images/space.gif http://www.focus-fen.net/Images/space.gif http://www.focus-fen.net/Images/space.gif 6 September 2007 | 22:29 | FOCUS News Agency http://www.focus-fen.net/Images/space.gif http://www.focus-fen.net/Images/space.gif http://www.focus-fen.net/Images/space.gif Athens. Greece may veto the accession of the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia to NATO and EU if an agreement on the name dispute is not reached, Greek Prime Minister Kostas Karamanlis said in a televised election debate.
He specified Skopje was among Greece’s first commercial partners, the business and tourist relations between the two countries were excellent, but there was a problem – the dispute over the name.
In Karamanlis’s words Greece has demonstrated it wants to settle the issue, but the other side has remained silent.

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[Ehetlaios]

Greece may veto FYROM adm...

[Vasiliye]

We, the dissidents of FYROM, hope that Greek government will keep consistency when it comes to the FYROM name dispute and that it shall veto any attempt of this "sinking boat" banana state to go into organizations like NATO and EU.

Such a veto may provoke rise in FYROMian nationalism, but also a consolidation of opposing voices which shall know to say: Enough is enough!We are not Macedonians by any criteria.Let's get rid of this pseudo-identity!

[Ehetlaios]

Such a veto may provoke rise in FYROMian nationalism, but also a consolidation of opposing voices which shall know to say: Enough is enough!We are not Macedonians by any criteria.Let's get rid of this pseudo-identity!

I do not know how the situation is there.

But I do not believe this.

The impression I get is that these people thirst for an identity so much they would even call themselves martians if an alien conquered the galaxy and used to live in Vardarska...

[Vasiliye]

There are some journalist comments, bloggers, politicians (Maleski) and other "sober voices".Finally, we have Pro-Bulgarians and smaller number of Pro-Serbians which never embraced "Ancient Macedonism", although many of them may casually and superficially call themselves "Makedontzi".......there is a nucleus of what may be tomorrow's movement.......and, yes, you are right about them wanting an identity.That such unremarkable people choose the Macedonian identity, claiming continuity with its ancient grandeur speaks volumes about their low self-esteem.....

[Truth Bearer]

Here,here well said Vasiliye....

[Melbourne Patriot]

Kostas Karmanlis as a Macedonian and Greek Prime Minister has a chance to etch his name into the history as one of the Great Prime Ministers of Greece by finishing Skopje's hope of EU & Nato. By Veto of the name FYROM let alone ROM he can become of the Great Leaders, and lay claim to saying that he protected Greece and Hellenism from the Liars, propagandists and delusionists who come from the FYROM and there Diaspora.

[Truth Bearer]

"Greece will veto Macedonia's NATO bid"
8 September 2007 | 15:35 | Source: Beta
ATHENS, SKOPJE -- Unless there is a compromise over its name, Macedonia's southern neighbor Greece will veto Skopje's effort to join NATO.

The statement came Friday, from the Greek prime minister, Kostas Karamanlis.

"It is out of the question for Skopje to become a member of any organization, be it NATO or the EU, unless that country opts for adopting a name acceptable to all," he said during a televised debate in Athens.

The debate was a part of the election campaign, for a vote scheduled for December 16.

Karamnlis went on to say that his country will use veto to block Macedonia's membership in both organizations.

"We can develop good relations, we want to solve this issue, but the other side too needs to realize it must make steps to arrive at an agreement."

Meanwhile, Macedonia's foreign minister, Antonio Miloshoski, said the statement was made "to serve the election campaign purpose."

"Greece, which has been a NATO member for many years, will not have any dilemma and will give advantage to the Alliance's common interest, compared to open bilateral issues," he told MIA agency.

"Greece will support NATO's intention of expanding its zone of influence to southeastern Europe with proven, reliable partners such as Albania, Croatia, and Macedonia," Miloshoski believes.

Skpoje expects it will receive invitation for a full-fledged membership next year, during a NATO summit in Bucharest, Romania.

Greece has since 1991 blocked international recognition of Macedonia under that name, maintaining that the name is a part of the national heritage exclusive to Greece.

Since 1993, the former Yugoslav republic has been recognized by the UN precisely as – the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.

B92 - News - Globe - "Greece will veto Macedonia's NATO bid" (http://www.b92.net/eng/news/globe-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=09&dd=08&nav_category=123&nav_id=43609)

[Truth Bearer]

Remember only 6 countries officially recognize this pseudo country.

[Makedonas]

Remember only 6 countries officially recognize this pseudo country.

dude, i dont want to be the bearer of bad news but ermmmm over 150 countries have recognised this country, we have this debate with family every time, we have lost the name battle athens should of buried fyrom back in the early 90s when they were weak and helpless, now they have grown and made allies, look what happened America said one thing next minute 150 countries followed including most of EU NATO and Security Council Nations.

[Truth Bearer]

Oh really Makedonas do you really think 150 countries have recognized them?That my fellow Hellene is a myth the recognition stipulates that yr embassy has yr official name as their emblem.In USA,China,Russia,Serbia and Bulgaria the embassies are officially known as RoM but in all other countries the fyromian's embassies have fyrom nad as thus officially addressed as that.So tell me mate where is this recognition?If you recognize a country why would you treat them as such?Why not as RoM??So please before you go posting rubbish and fall for their propaganda investigate the facts young man.I have posted previously how they are duping us about their so called recognition read and learn buddy.

[Makedonas]

england hasnt offically recognised them but they dont use the word FYROM

The Sun Online - Football: England 0 Macedonia 0 (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2006460656,,00.html)

BBC NEWS | Europe | EU warns Macedonia over entry (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6344907.stm)

you search there database you will see what i mean, i have argued this fact since ive been here idiots in athens sold us out and all that karamanlis, open your eyes truth bearer, remember stop being so blind keep your friends close and your enemies closer, because its people like you who have this attitude that "naahh we are doing fine, fyrom have nothing and will do nothing we dont need to worry about them", where as the whole world calls them Macedonia and Macedonian.

[Truth Bearer]

It doesn't matter who writes what the main point here is that OFFICIALLY they are referred to as Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.What papers and us little people say means JACK!!!!

[Cabalero]

Its a shame this issue has gone on for so long. I was reading this article in Kathimerini and it said that the president of FYROM along with the government in Skopje is willing to use the name Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia in Nato or EU.

[Lakonian]

england hasnt offically recognised them but they dont use the word FYROM

The Sun Online - Football: England 0 Macedonia 0 (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2006460656,,00.html)

BBC NEWS | Europe | EU warns Macedonia over entry (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6344907.stm)

you search there database you will see what i mean, i have argued this fact since ive been here idiots in athens sold us out and all that karamanlis, open your eyes truth bearer, remember stop being so blind keep your friends close and your enemies closer, because its people like you who have this attitude that "naahh we are doing fine, fyrom have nothing and will do nothing we dont need to worry about them", where as the whole world calls them Macedonia and Macedonian.

I agree with you on the fact that everyone uses the wor MAcedonia and MAcedonians, what they dont know is the battle for the identity of the Macedonians from a historical point of view. You ask anyone who actualy reads and has an avid interest in history and they will tell you Macedonians where Greeks. As where the Spartans and Athenians and the Arcadians and the Cretans etc....the point though is because so many are blind to the threat of these 3 rd world neighbours of ours, it has given them opportunities for lame propaganda, which thankfully, most who are educated doesnt make them think twice. They dont say MAcedonians as of they speak of an independed country, they speak of it as if the you speak of Spartans or the above.

So overall, no one realy cares about the threat, or yes worries about it, which gives more of an opportunity for the idiots to boast there lunacy, and the same time political agendas of most countries to play out.

[Istor]

If it is about media, we have lost the name war.

But it is not. The interim agrement and FYROM's will to enter NATO and EU are our weapons. Lets use them all effectively.

[masolord]

If it is about media, we have lost the name war.

But it is not. The interim agrement and FYROM's will to enter NATO and EU are our weapons. Lets use them all effectively.


of course you lost the name battle, almost every one has accepted us as macedonia.:clapping:

just let it go you guys are making harder for yourselves, nobody gives a f*** about the name issue seroiusly. my asain friend goes to me why are u guys arguing about stuiped name??:lol:

[Makedonia22]

of course you lost the name battle, almost every one has accepted us as macedonia.:clapping:

just let it go you guys are making harder for yourselves, nobody gives a f*** about the name issue seroiusly. my asain friend goes to me why are u guys arguing about stuiped name??:lol:

Its more than a name...

[masolord]

Remember only 6 countries officially recognize this pseudo country.
more like 150 courties which canada joined this grouped today if dont now aredy enjoy.:clapping:

[Makedonia22]

more like 150 courties which canada joined this grouped today if dont now aredy enjoy.:clapping:

Tell me every country which recognizes you, plus with proof.

[masolord]

Its more than a name...

exatualy right beacuse you people know that youu have lot at stake to lose , beacuse you now it is not yours. you aredy have name for you r country "greece" why be a little babies and make fuss about how we are called. macedonia is not greek property and will never be . lots of forign countries realise this ,that u are making fuss out of nothing., that why they are on our side.

[Theofilos]

exatualy right beacuse you people know that youu have lot at stake to lose , beacuse you now it is not yours. you aredy have name for you r country "greece" why be a little babies and make fuss about how we are called. macedonia is not greek property and will never be . lots of forign countries realise this ,that u are making fuss out of nothing., that why they are on our side.

Why do I get the impression you live in the outer suburbs? Regardless, Macedonia has and will always be Hellenic, if you people stopped focussing on trying obtaining a false identity then your sad farce of a country might perhaps be less poverty stricken than it is.

Then again, silly me. All you want is the name. May God have mercy on your wretched souls.

[masolord]

Why do I get the impression you live in the outer suburbs? Regardless, Macedonia has and will always be Hellenic, if you people stopped focussing on trying obtaining a false identity then your sad farce of a country might perhaps be less poverty stricken than it is.

Then again, silly me. All you want is the name. May God have mercy on your wretched souls.

f*** god i dont belive in god ok. f*** religion espacially christanity :angry:

[Theofilos]

f*** god i dont belive in god ok. f*** religion espacially christanity :angry:

Ah well. My other points are obviously still valid :)

[Insomniac]

Please gives us veto. That will be another victory for Macedonia

[akritas]

Please gives us veto. That will be another victory for Macedonia
Indeed!!:)

[Insomniac]

Indeed!!:)

:clap2:Republic of Macedonia:clap2:

[akritas]

:clap2:Republic of Macedonia:clap2:
Are you Albanian ?:)

[Insomniac]

Are you Albanian ?:)
Nope, I'm Macedonian. I hate albanians

[Draco]

Seriously now, when Greece vetos FYROM what words do you think will be used. They won't be "we are vetoing FYROM because of the name dispute", it'll probably be something like "we are vetoing FYROM because we are afraid to admit to a military alliance a state with obvious irredentist aspirations against Greece (and then present the ample evidence)".

Nope, I'm Macedonian. I hate albanians
Αν είσαι Μακεδόνας θα ξέρεις ελληνικά, έτσι;

[akritas]

Nope, I'm Macedonian. I hate albanians
I am Macedonian also.
What you mean with the term of Macedonian ?

According the English Dictionary Macedonian mean a native or inhabitant of ancient or modern Macedonia.

Macedonian - definition of Macedonian by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia. (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Macedonian)

So ? :)

[Insomniac]

I am Macedonian also.
What you mean with the term of Macedonian ?

According the English Dictionary Macedonian mean a native or inhabitant of ancient or modern Macedonia.



So ? :)

You asked that in other thread

[Teukros]

Well has also the meaning of heritage not only a geographical term.If it does so then the Russians can claim Bismark and Prussia's history is theirs because it's no under their control

[Insomniac]

OK, return to the thread. You will lose more than we if you gives us veto. So please, gives us veto

[Teukros]

Lose like what?Since you're the poorest in the region!ooo you might mean the support of the US since you are their protectrate

[Insomniac]

Lose like what?Since you're the poorest in the region!ooo you might mean the support of the US since you are their protectrate

You will see, It's matter of months

[Teukros]

You will see, It's matter of months
See what?a war will break?haven't the Albanians already took parts of your land eh?

[Demetrius Doukas]

Insomniac,
you will never be a Macedonian until you Hellenize yourself and learn Greek, do you really believe that in the world they will consider yo a Macedonian?! That will never happen until the real Macedonians are there. :):)

[Insomniac]

See what?a war will break?haven't the Albanians already took parts of your land eh?

April 2008.

[Insomniac]

Insomniac,
you will never be a Macedonian until you Hellenize yourself and learn Greek, do you really believe that in the world they will consider yo a Macedonian?! That will never happen until the real Macedonians are there. :):)

They all ready consider me as Macedonian. Why should i learn language spoked in only one country.

[Teukros]

what April 2008?

[Insomniac]

be patient you will see.
Have to go. Greetings from Prilep, Republic of Macedonia

[Demetrius Doukas]

Insomniac,
I' am not considering you a Macedonian, Ok? And also to remind you that some 3 millions Macedonians DOES NOT CONSIDER you a MACEDONIAN. :) A also let remind you that many in the world does not consider you a Macedonian.
By the way I'm a Macedonian from Thessaloniki, there is no such city in Macedonia like prilep we do not give such ridiculous names for our cities and never Alexander did.

[Teukros]

be patient you will see.
Have to go. Greetings from Prilep, Republic of Macedonia
I'm patient and go to hell.I wonder what b**it we'll see from him

[molon labe]

be patient you will see.
Have to go. Greetings from Prilep, Republic of Macedonia

yes we have been patient with you boxheads :angry: your time is coming, and by the way whats with that pseudo sun flag its very ugly! not allowed to use our Vergina sun are u??? :clap2: reminds me of some jap flag :laugh:

[Teukros]

be patient you will see.
Have to go. Greetings from Prilep, Republic of Monkeydonia
I still wait your historical(?) facts;);););)

[tankistabg]

This is very good news. Anything which DENIES the serbo-communist theories over the real bulgarian origin of FYROMS is good for me! And for Greece!

[GreekSlav]

It doesn't matter who writes what the main point here is that OFFICIALLY they are referred to as Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.What papers and us little people say means JACK!!!!

Negative, Truthbearer. "FYROM" is only used "officially" in correspondence within the UN, EU and NATO, until the name issue is resolved. Still, in many official correspondence within these three entities, the name "Macedonia" slips in when referring to this country. This speaks much about the "seriousness" of this policy!!!

There is nothing official about referring to Macedonia as FYROM outside these three entities. The problem is that many misguided individuals bring this issue to these kinds of forums and claim it as "official". It is not and never will be.

[Amarantos]

Negative, Truthbearer. "FYROM" is only used "officially" in correspondence within the UN, EU and NATO, until the name issue is resolved. Still, in many official correspondence within these three entities, the name "Macedonia" slips in when referring to this country. This speaks much about the "seriousness" of this policy!!!

There is nothing official about referring to Macedonia as FYROM outside these three entities. The problem is that many misguided individuals bring this issue to these kinds of forums and claim it as "official". It is not and never will be.

Has the fyromian government with its signature decided to accept the use of the acronym FYROM for the country it represents for every official use? YES.

Is this the way UN, EU and the NATO address this country officially? YES.

So it's sad some misguided individuals joining this kind of forums, are saying the opposite.

[GreekSlav]

Has the fyromian government with its signature decided to accept the use of the acronym FYROM for the country it represents for every official use? YES.

Is this the way UN, EU and the NATO address this country officially? YES.

So it's sad some misguided individuals joining this kind of forums, are saying the opposite.

I am sadded that misguided individuals would bring the official business of the UN, EU and NATO into these forums. It shows all too clear how ignorant and unintelligent some people can be. This issue is in these forums only for trolling purposes and has no real meaning here.

[Euklid]

And you are to judge, if it has meaning or not? And even call the people who think otherwise as ignorant and unintelligent.

This is trolling. And trolling indeed has no meaning in here.

[Amarantos]

I am sadded that misguided individuals would bring the official business of the UN, EU and NATO into these forums. It shows all too clear how ignorant and unintelligent some people can be. This issue is in these forums only for trolling purposes and has no real meaning here.

On the other hand i 'm entertained seeing misguided individuals demonstrating their fascistic attitudes by sustaining that common people haven't got the right to express their minds on issues that have to do with "the official business of the UN, EU and NATO". As Greeks, Greece being part of all those organizations - Fyrom not- we are only practising the right given exactly by these organizations which maintain official websites in internet, to express ourselves on issues that are of our own bussiness. Internet is this thing too. Citizens of the world. Liberty of speech. Who has arguments on a discussion in this free world ,he presents them. He who spreads propaganda without arguments consumes his thoughts by judging the intelligence of other people. It's obvious you would be happy if the right of speaking freely in internet was banned. Περαστικά.