Israelis try to steal Crete

[Reaper]

Those of us who've been involved in unearthing and exposing this (most recent) assault against Christianity and Hellenism, are not in the least bit surprised when we run into a "lack of ethical or scholarly restraints" on the part of our Helleno-hating (or, more to the point, Helleno-fearing) opponents. As a typical example of the kind of tactics they use to sell their lies, we offer this little story: In 1975, newspaper headlines throughout Greece announced the interdiction of an Israeli "fishing boat" which had been stopped and boarded by the Greek Coast Guard. The Israeli "fishermen" had been dropping "'ancient' tablets inscribed in Hebrew" into the waters off the coast of Crete. These "ancient" tablets would no doubt have been "discovered" at some later date by Israeli marine archaeologists, and used to "prove" that the ancient Cretans were "Semitic," thereby helping to lay the groundwork for the execution of their plan to add Crete to the "Greater Israel" they are working to build. The "scholarship" and "veracity" of this deceptive ploy is on a par with the "scholarship" and "veracity" of UNESCO's blatant distortions and fabrications in their History of Humanity, and they are being disseminated for the same reasons. (For more on Israel's hegemonic daydreams, see the book Open Secrets: Israeli Nuclear and Foreign Policies, by the late, great Israel Shahak. Pluto Press, London & Chicago.1997.)

http://www.grecoreport.com/unesco's_ongoing_war_against_hellenism.htm

Anyone have any hard evidence for this outrageous claim, any newspaper cuttings, links?

[Tsontos]

never heard it anywhere besides the grecoreport

[terastios]

E kala twra!
To xesame to thema!
Se ligo tha vlepoume kai fantasmata apo ton Seirio!

[Ehetlaios]

Kapoioi ta vlepoun idi.

[Reaper]

so this never happened?

[Orphic_Hymn]

Wouldn't call grecoreport as an accurate source but I did the search anyway. While they leave room to understand that all newspapers wrote about it, Taxydromos and Rizospatis which I could find online mention nothing about the incident.

[Teukros]

Well for sure the Israelis wanted to create their nation in Crete before the Balkans wars

[Truth Bearer]

That's a HOAX grecoreport is totally paranoid with Jewish/Israeli conspiracies.
And IF it did happen it would have been some Israeli scammers trying to make a quick quid out of it.

[Reaper]

The fact that we cannot find one source on it or one paper tells me it is probably not true.

[Demetrius Doukas]

This a very Fyromian approach isn't it?!:laugh:

[Reaper]

Exactly the same, except they do not need anything but imagination to make a claim.

[Draco]

Why on earth would Israelis want Crete? Look how far away (http://cns.miis.edu/research/cyprus/region.gif) they are and anyway, even if the Minoans were Semites that means absolutely nothing (the Ancient Egyptians were also Semites).

[Reaper]

they wanted crete to make a biger israel. whether this article is true or not it is known they had ambitions to expand. Crete has no arabs trying to detonate themselves, is strategically vital and you think america would even think for one second to support greece over israel if a dispute emerged? LOL.

Everything about the article is totally believable and fits, but as there is no second source one doubt's its veracity.

[Draco]

Everything about the article is totally believable and fits, but as there is no second source one doubt's its veracity.
No it's no totally believable and fits. There's not a single Jew in Crete, the island is wholly Greek. There's no chance of Israel attempting to, let alone succeeding in, annexing a territory of the European Union with those qualifications merely because a civilization that lived there 3,5 thousand years ago was Semitic.

[Reaper]

No you are wrong, this was in the 1970's and Israel was looking to expand and create a greater israel. Read history to find out more about israel in this period.

The article does not say there are jews in crete - (which there were anyway in small numbers if again you look at history - it has also had arabs, turks ect ect). It is saying Israel was trying to artificially create an important history of jews on Crete there never were by dropping archaeological evidence around Krete in an attempt to create an argument for perhaps one day claiming a part of the island. Israel already alters artifacts in its own nation to protect its 'history' there.

Fyrom's main argument for them being Macedonian is a line from demosthenes and a Star of Vagina they claim we never used that was found in the 70's. Ofcourse this Israel article is believable.

[Draco]

No you are wrong, this was in the 1970's and Israel was looking to expand and create a greater israel. Read history to find out more about israel in this period.
Israel was not trying to create a "Greater Israel" then, they were trying to protect their existence, the occupation of Sinai etc, were just incidental (kind of like the Greek Mikrasiatiki Extrateia; they were trying to defend what they already had, they couldn't have reasonably expected that they would be allowed to keep whatever they occupied).
The article does not say there are jews in crete - (which there were anyway in small numbers if again you look at history - it has also had arabs, turks ect ect).
I know what the article says - I'm saying there cannot be much of a Jewish community in Crete (click here (http://www.kis.gr/koinothtes.html) to see why). Don't forget that most of Crete was administered by Germany during the Katohi, so the chances of any Jewish communities surviving in such a small place are minimal.
It is saying Israel was trying to artificially create an important history of jews on Crete there never were by dropping archaeological evidence around Krete in an attempt to create an argument for perhaps one day claiming a part of the island.
It'd be a very weak argument, in fact so weak that one'd have to be at the point of insanity to even consider it. Israelis aren't stupid, this's why I'm having trouble believing all this.
Israel already alters artifacts in its own nation to protect its 'history' there.
Really? It's the first I've ever heard of it.

[Draco]

Actually there is a Jewish community in Crete

Welcome to Etz Hayyim synagogue (http://www.etz-hayyim-hania.org/)

I cannot find any data on it's size though.

[Reaper]

I still do not understand why you are talking about modern jews in crete, there were very none in Israel aswell up until zionism. But anyway... the israelis have a history of creating false artifacts to bolster there claims on lands:

israelinsider: Culture: Israeli Museum says Solomon's Temple relic is a fake (http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Culture/4650.htm)

Archaeology magazine raises questions as Israel awaits big artifacts fraud trial North County Times - North San Diego and Southwest Riverside County News - NCTimes.com - Californian.com (http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2005/03/03/special_reports/religion/23_18_243_2_05.txt)

PC(USA) News Release Number - 05065 - Alleged scam in Israel taints more than just biblical archaeology (http://www.pcusa.org/pcnews/2005/05065.htm)

BBC - Science & Nature - Horizon (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/solomon_prog_summary.shtml)

Bible History Online - Ivory Pomegranate from Solomon's Temple (Biblical Archaeology) (http://www.bible-history.com/archaeology/israel/ivory-pomegranate.html)

Faking it | Special Reports | EducationGuardian.co.uk (http://education.guardian.co.uk/museums/story/0,,1394468,00.html)

and this one especially:

The Saga of Ancient Hebrew Explorers -- Who Really Discovered America? (http://hope-of-israel.org/hebinusa.htm)

[Tsontos]

Reaper you can find claims of Greeks discovering the Americas, building Stonehenge etc etc. Theres a thread somewhere on here about a Greek theatre in Arizona. So you think the crap about the Hebrews discovering America meant they want to "claim america"?

[Tsontos]

By the way there werent no Jews in Palestine before Zionism. They were just a very small minority as became the Christians after the 7th century

Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine)

Year ↓ Jews ↓ Christians ↓ Muslims ↓ Total1 ↓
First half 1st century C.E. Majority - - ~2,500²
5th century Minority Majority - >1st century
End 12th century Minority Minority Majority >225
14th cent. before Black Death Minority Minority Majority 225
14th cent. after Black Death Minority Minority Majority 150
1533-1539 5 6 145 157
1690-1691 2 11 219 232
1800 7 22 246 275
1890 43 57 432 532
1914 94 70 525 689
1922 84 71 589 752
1931 175 89 760 1,033
1947 630 143 1,181 1,970

[Truth Bearer]

The Ottomans started letting them back in through the late 19th century.....