FYROM PM Gruevski reject US-Greek proposal for...

[akritas]

a Bulgarian-Canadian was awarded the contract for the rebuliding of the Negotino plant.!!!
According Proto Thema newspaper even though SENCAP submitted the best and highest bid for the project, it failed to win the bid for the contract.

The Newpaper also claims:

-the US-Greek offer was better 90 mil Euros from the Bulgarian-Canadian
-Americans in Skopje are not happy with the desicion of the Skopjian government
-American are now aware (As Greece has maintained) of the Bulgarian associations of the Skopjian VMRO party


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[Tsontos]

So what is it that motivates Gruevski as a politician? Since he's been in office it seems he's been intent to be tough on the Albanians in the FYROM parliament and highly provocative towards Greece. What are his feelings towards the Bulgarians though? What about the recent surge in anti-Bulgarian feelings (the attacks on pro-Bulgarians etc)? What did the VMRO have to say about that?

[akritas]

Skopjans(VMRO) just support the Bulgarian Brothers!!!:)

[terastios]

I think i had answered that one! :huh:
Anyway,i wish they will make more moves like this one!;)

[Vasiliye]

Well, the present-day, Gruevski's VMRO-DPMNE as opposed to Georgievski's isn't trying to return Bulgarism, but it maintains kind of affinity for official Sofia and recently absorbed a much smaller, openly Bulgarian right-wing party, DRUM.It has never explicitly deviated from the line of Macedonism, although his right hand, Milososki did so in the press before he was nominated for the post, and the party still contains some third level probulgarian individuals.

Gruevski is viewed as a pragmatic economist, and although he is far from being a centrist technocrat, his entire manner is less "ethnic", less "national-romantic" and grandiose, unlike the former VMRO-DPMNE chief.

As for the concrete deal, my informations are sketchy.Like everywhere in the normal world, the government gathers offers for a deal, and (at least they should) chooses the most adequate offer.................now, Gruevski is not so close to Greek business circles like Georgievski...although he is one of the so-called "Aegeans",I do not think that it has much to do with this..........maybe it is a case of corruption or faked tender, I really can't say.

[akritas]

Vasiliyie is it true that the former deputy of the FYROM economics is it Greek Vlach origin ? I am talking for Giorgos Koukas!!!He is in jail now for economical improprieties from Gruevski.

[Vasiliye]

Yorgo Kyouka is a Greek-Vlach, one of two dozens "big men" of FYROMian economics: oligarchs presiding or having a majority vote in large companies and conglomerates.Kyuka was a long-time director of a large-scale hemicals-producing industry "Ohis".He was arrested, together with the members of the company's board of stockholders for alleged financial manipulation worth cca. 1.000.000 EURO.

He is now in pre-trial detention.

[Theofilos]

I'm sorry, but I just have to say Gruevski is one of the most unattractive human beings I've ever had the misfortune of laying my eyes upon.

[Draco]

I think the speculations about the Bulgarians are all just sensationalist sci-fi of no real importance. What is important is that Skopje has demonstrated that they're no true puppet state, so the US will probably have started rethinking how much they'll support them in the future (not only against the Greeks, but more importantly, against the Albanians).

[GreekSlav]

Business is business. It's all the same wherever you are. And if some, no matter who they are, takes personal the kind of decisions some businesses take, well, they need to get a freakin' life.

[Draco]

Business is business. It's all the same wherever you are. And if some, no matter who they are, takes personal the kind of decisions some businesses take, well, they need to get a freakin' life.
If you understood Greek language without the aid of babelfish you would know that the Greek and American bid was the highest bid, yet FYROM sold to the Bulgarian lower bid. What kind of business is that?

[GreekSlav]

If you understood Greek language without the aid of babelfish you would know that the Greek and American bid was the highest bid, yet FYROM sold to the Bulgarian lower bid. What kind of business is that?

It's normal to take the lowest bid. If you know a little about business, you would know this as the way it is. Sadly, it is not the best way, but normal practice. I was not surprised by it, nor so excited to make such a fuss. Again, business is business and never personal.

But to many here, there is some sort of conspiracy about it. Funny people come up with the funniest things.

[Draco]

Hardly a conspiracy. Apparently Washington was pissed off at FYROM for it, so it was more of a gift.
It's normal to take the lowest bid.
The Bulgarian bid wasn't the lowest bid :rolleyes:

[Spartan]

No one who has any kind of business mind will ever take the lowest offer! NO ONE! In business you always go after the biggest profits. If you take the low bids you will not be succesful in any business. The only time you take the low bid is if you are going to pay someone for performing a job, but never when someone is offering you the money.

So what would be the reason to not take the lowest bid or highest bid but a lower end bid? Please inform us. There are obvious reason and most of us are not naive! You like to play the part as such but it is just an attempt to try and make the Greeks look paranoid. You have not succeeded!

[GreekSlav]

Hardly a conspiracy. Apparently Washington was pissed off at FYROM for it, so it was more of a gift.

The Bulgarian bid wasn't the lowest bid :rolleyes:

Who cares. Business is business and I do not expect anyone to understand the decision making process in business.

[GreekSlav]

No one who has any kind of business mind will ever take the lowest offer! NO ONE! In business you always go after the biggest profits. If you take the low bids you will not be succesful in any business. The only time you take the low bid is if you are going to pay someone for performing a job, but never when someone is offering you the money.

So what would be the reason to not take the lowest bid or highest bid but a lower end bid? Please inform us. There are obvious reason and most of us are not naive! You like to play the part as such but it is just an attempt to try and make the Greeks look paranoid. You have not succeeded!

I am sorry but I am unable to inform you. Business decisions are complex and has no predictable pattern.

[Orphic_Hymn]

It's normal to take the lowest bid. If you know a little about business, you would know this as the way it is. Sadly, it is not the best way, but normal practice. I was not surprised by it, nor so excited to make such a fuss. Again, business is business and never personal.

But to many here, there is some sort of conspiracy about it. Funny people come up with the funniest things.

Normal to take the lowest bid you say and yet dare to question other's knowledge on business and also title it "normal practice" :lol:
How about performing a little business 101 for all us that ignore its basics and in the process of doing so, give us more examples in which a party not only accepts a lower bid which also happens to be of lower quality, but also distorts facts to justify their choice?

FYROM rejected not only a more lucrative deal of 6.2mln euros and 100MW larger plant but also distorted the facts of the proposed deal by claiming that the plant would burn oil when it was more than clear that it would burn environmentally friendly coal.

The interesting part of the whole deal is that the head company of the "Hatch Consortium" is the Canadian Hatch Acres Inc.

[Truth Bearer]

greekslav are u on the same planet???I have never heard of such crap!!

[GreekSlav]

FYROM rejected not only a more lucrative deal of 6.2mln euros and 100MW larger plant but also distorted the facts of the proposed deal by claiming that the plant would burn oil when it was more than clear that it would burn environmentally friendly coal.


So! Why are you so concerned about Macedonia's business decisions? Is it because America and Greece did not benefit from it? Do you actually believe I think that everyone is concerned about Macedonia on this? Please!!!!!:glare:

[Morphesau]

So! Why are you so concerned about Macedonia's business decisions? Is it because America and Greece did not benefit from it? Do you actually believe I think that everyone is concerned about Macedonia on this? Please!!!!!:glare:

How hard is it for you to understand? Slav Slav. That we do not want a country doing business under a Greek name. If they choose another name that is original and does not harbor any propagandas, territory against it's neibours then we don't care.

Now how hard is it for you to understand this ? You go to almost every Greek forums act the dumb one, the victim when you cant even bloody act. Let alone try and deceive that you are even a Greek.

Me Nikilianos, Akrita and istor know you bloody too well that you are the most anti Greek person that is around the internet's. One day you're Greek the next an Albanian then the next a Slav.

Above all you are a Troll.

[Morphesau]

I bet Donika is you, a twisted fabrication to have some sort of baits or an excuse to act your sick internet games.

Seek help, you need it.

[Orphic_Hymn]

So! Why are you so concerned about Macedonia's business decisions? Is it because America and Greece did not benefit from it? Do you actually believe I think that everyone is concerned about Macedonia on this? Please!!!!!:glare:

Firstly child do not twist and turn and especially do not avoid responding to what is directly requested. You made an absurd claim, you celebratedd your stupidity with the audacious claim that prefering unprofitable deals are common practice in business, so either put up that 101 class requested or admit that you're desparately striving to justify what simply can not be justified.

As for my personal interest, beside the fact that I'm sure its obvious that I don't give a flying fuck neither about the hovel nor about the people that attempt to plagiarize a name and history that is not theirs, I'm always on the search for investing ideas and the deal in question could have given a couple of points to a specific stock I'm looking at. There's also the geopolitical factor and under the table political deals that always attract my attention.

Since either you like it or not, the later is exactly what this was, aka your government proved that it believed that a higher bid of 6.2mln euros and the construction of a 100MW larger plant which would not only benefit the hovel but also the entire region in the long run, was not as important as the exchange which took place between it and Canada.

Finally to come to the "so"... "SO" the question actually is, WTF do you strive to justify their stupidity in business with your outrageous claims, why do you try to spread a smokescreen over what is more than simply evident, which is that this was nothing more than an under the table agreement, a little exchange of "you give me the job and I give you recognition" on the backs of both the country and those which you allegedly care about ?

[GreekSlav]

I bet Donika is you, a twisted fabrication to have some sort of baits or an excuse to act your sick internet games.

Seek help, you need it.

Morphesau, and how do I know it is really you. As far as you are implying, you could just a well be Istor, or Nina, or anyone else.

I assure you I play no games about who I am. I do not even have aliases, just one me, the half Greek/half Macedonian. One is enough, don't you think?

I always respect those that make sense, and those that do not worry about unproductive matters. I will always speak up to those that spit on my heritage, like the very lost and difficult ones that I cross paths with, and especially the ones that can not deal with alternate views and opinions that do not agree with the Greek ones.

Please do us a big favor. There is no need to reply to my posts if you just have accusations. That is not what we are here for. We are here to discuss and debate. I have come across some that do but most accuse me of trolling, when I only bring up an argument. What is happening here? Who are the real trollers, my friend?

[GreekSlav]

How hard is it for you to understand? Slav Slav. That we do not want a country doing business under a Greek name. If they choose another name that is original and does not harbor any propagandas, territory against it's neibours then we don't care.

Now how hard is it for you to understand this ? You go to almost every Greek forums act the dumb one, the victim when you cant even bloody act. Let alone try and deceive that you are even a Greek.

Me Nikilianos, Akrita and istor know you bloody too well that you are the most anti Greek person that is around the internet's. One day you're Greek the next an Albanian then the next a Slav.

Above all you are a Troll.

Again, those that can not deal with alternate views and opinions that do not agree with the Greek views make trolling accusations.

It is not hard to understand. But what is quite unbelievable is the fact that the way it is handled by Greece is extremely unproductive and leads to no progress at all. Preventing flights into Greece from ROM's airlines because of the name is just totally bizarre, and quite childish, and for all the world to see. All the other actions againest ROM, all because of a name!!! Truthfully, Greece can continue on a positive track with ROM, and still deal with the name issue, in a much professional way then how it is dealing with it now.

Sure, ROM has its own issues, and plays games, too. Truthfully, it is of no consequences, because everyone knows, for example, that Alexander the Great was an ancient Macedonian and has nothing to do with the Slavs, and we know that ancient Greek history belongs to one people. THE GREEKS. So what is the fuss? There should be no second guessing on our heritage and history. All I do is laugh at the funnies, and move on. I wish many others would do the same.

[Orphic_Hymn]

Please do us a big favor. There is no need to reply to my posts if you just have accusations. That is not what we are here for. We are here to discuss and debate. I have come across some that do but most accuse me of trolling, when I only bring up an argument. What is happening here? Who are the real trollers, my friend?

So Slav, since you are here to debate, why haven't you supported your claims, like the one above for starters, or where's the source to the alleged Tetovo poll which you claimed or why did you swallow your tongue when you got your outrageous claims of propaganda trashed when the Menendez resolution was posted in whole ?

That is indeed the trait of a troll and in your strife to support your breathen you tend to overlook the fact that these are not the actions which would indicate an individual interested in exchanging ideas through debate.

[GreekSlav]

Firstly child do not twist and turn and especially do not avoid responding to what is directly requested. You made an absurd claim, you celebratedd your stupidity with the audacious claim that prefering unprofitable deals are common practice in business, so either put up that 101 class requested or admit that you're desparately striving to justify what simply can not be justified.

As for my personal interest, beside the fact that I'm sure its obvious that I don't give a flying fuck neither about the hovel nor about the people that attempt to plagiarize a name and history that is not theirs, I'm always on the search for investing ideas and the deal in question could have given a couple of points to a specific stock I'm looking at. There's also the geopolitical factor and under the table political deals that always attract my attention.

Since either you like it or not, the later is exactly what this was, aka your government proved that it believed that a higher bid of 6.2mln euros and the construction of a 100MW larger plant which would not only benefit the hovel but also the entire region in the long run, was not as important as the exchange which took place between it and Canada.

Finally to come to the "so"... "SO" the question actually is, WTF do you strive to justify their stupidity in business with your outrageous claims, why do you try to spread a smokescreen over what is more than simply evident, which is that this was nothing more than an under the table agreement, a little exchange of "you give me the job and I give you recognition" on the backs of both the country and those which you allegedly care about ?

Well, for one thing, your response is quite predictable. You can not deal with my views and you yourself put up a smokescreen to make IT SEEM as if I am the bad guy.

So in fact, money governs your decision on this issue. Certain stocks could not make you any money due to this transcation, so the decision was "stupid". I guess it's true then, money talks.

And of course you do give a flying fuck about them, or else you would not have used such colorful words.

[Euklid]

So in fact, money governs your decision on this issue. Certain stocks could not make you any money due to this transcation, so the decision was "stupid". I guess it's true then, money talks.

Well in fact your response is totally LOL.

The fact tha you are a troll is not new business, you were and still is a troll based on emotional parades..and fantasies as it seems.

[Orphic_Hymn]

Well, for one thing, your response is quite predictable. You can not deal with my views and you yourself put up a smokescreen to make IT SEEM as if I am the bad guy.

So in fact, money governs your decision on this issue. Certain stocks could not make you any money due to this transcation, so the decision was "stupid". I guess it's true then, money talks.

And of course you do give a flying fuck about them, or else you would not have used such colorful words.

What was predictable was the fact that you'd continue to act like the troll you are but what you are incapable of comprehending is that my intention is not to make you look like the "bad guy" but to prove that you are indeed a fool, an intellectual midget that has nothing to offer other than entertainment like the little court-jester you are.

Yes child money rules the world and if its something you heard for the first time here, then at least we are accomplishing our objective, which is to inform the ignorant.
But again oh, king of the court-jesters you fail to provide a responce to direct questions but then again, that has been your tactic on these boards since day 1, to dodge all questions that prove exactly what you are. In hope that you'll finally respond I quote my previous questions:

Finally to come to the "so"... "SO" the question actually is, WTF do you strive to justify their stupidity in business with your outrageous claims, why do you try to spread a smokescreen over what is more than simply evident, which is that this was nothing more than an under the table agreement, a little exchange of "you give me the job and I give you recognition" on the backs of both the country and those which you allegedly care about ?

PS: either provide something worth it or simply do not waste my time.

[GreekSlav]

So Slav, since you are here to debate, why haven't you supported your claims, like the one above for starters, or where's the source to the alleged Tetovo poll which you claimed or why did you swallow your tongue when you got your outrageous claims of propaganda trashed when the Menendez resolution was posted in whole ?

That is indeed the trait of a troll and in your strife to support your breathen you tend to overlook the fact that these are not the actions which would indicate an individual interested in exchanging ideas through debate.

Accusations is not material to debate on. I did not swallow my tongue because I did not make accusations of propaganda from the newspaper. Again, a little twist here and there and what I said comes out a bit different. Is this your form of discussion and debate? Not mine, sorry.

Actually, what has been going on here is thie site making accusations at me, I trying to defend what I have said, and then you guys calling that trolling.

Thank you. You made me realize something. You caused a light to come on. So then I must say this. All of you have nothing to debate about. You all have one agenda and my experiment proves it. That you can not ever fucking deal with an outspoken Greek, could never come up with anything tangible to debate on with me, therefore only had accusations. What a sorry bunch of scumbags. Please, oh wise moderators, delete my account, you fucking whiners, and do me a favor so I may empty my life of you pitiful scum.

[Orphic_Hymn]

Accusations is not material to debate on. I did not swallow my tongue because I did not make accusations of propaganda from the newspaper. Again, a little twist here and there and what I said comes out a bit different. Is this your form of discussion and debate? Not mine, sorry.

Actually, what has been going on here is thie site making accusations at me, I trying to defend what I have said, and then you guys calling that trolling.

Thank you. You made me realize something. You caused a light to come on. So then I must say this. All of you have nothing to debate about. You all have one agenda and my experiment proves it. That you can not ever fucking deal with an outspoken Greek, could never come up with anything tangible to debate on with me, therefore only had accusations. What a sorry bunch of scumbags. Please, oh wise moderators, delete my account, you fucking whiners, and do me a favor so I may empty my life of you pitiful scum.

Pitiful scum, oh, how elloquent the fool can become.:clap2:

As already clarified you sorry excuse of a faulty condom, YOU openly spoke of misinterpretations of the context of the resolution something which you still dread to accept was a totally wrong call but its convenient how you stick on that issue yet avoid providing other examples of such horrendous deals being closed which is what you claimed in yet another celebration of your stupidity nor a source for the poll you claimed exists.

Debate with you ?
Child, you are the one that dreads any form of debate hence why you've never supported anything claimed, never presented an issue which you were able to discuss nor have ever expressed a thought of your own, the only thing you have ever managed to do is celebrate what effect N.Dhmou and FYROMian propaganda has on a totally undeveloped mind.

Finally as for the pathetic ramblings that are an accurate depiction of the non-existant level of education bestowed upon you in the hovel you were raised, they are only perceived as such.