The Washington Times Prints Two Articles by AHI Members

[Truth Bearer]

The Washington Times Prints Two Articles by AHI Members

Washington, DC — The Washington Times printed the following two articles by AHI Members. The first was a letter to the editor (7-18-07) entitled “The truth about Macedonia” by the Supreme President of the Pan-Macedonian Association, Nina Gatzoulis. The second was an opinion article (7-21-07) entitled “Turkey and Europe” by the Vice President of the American Hellenic Council in California, Aris Anagnos. These articles demonstrate the importance of our members and others writing to the media.

The Washington Times
July 18, 2007
The truth about Macedonia
Experience has taught us that it is very difficult to communicate with people who have lived under, and have been trained by, the Communist mentality. Case in point: the misleading and well-camouflaged claims made by the honorable foreign minister of the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM), Antonio Milososki, to The Washington Times in the article "Name game blame" (Embassy Row, July 11) that his country will promote stronger trade relations with the United States, and, with its transition to an independent nation, should be designated Macedonia, not FYROM.

Mr. Milososki claimed that his country has "gone from a security consumer to a security provider," which is hardly accurate and honest. What the minister forgot to mention is the teachings in FYROM's schools and military academy that continue to poison the new generations with falsehoods, planting the seeds of hatred to come in the years ahead and in clear violation of the U.N.-brokered "Intermediate Agreement" signed by his country and Greece. FYROM today is more a picture of a terrorist training camp rather than a "security provider."

"Our name is the cornerstone of our identity," said Mr. Milososki. What he left out was when and how it received that name. Did the name belong to somebody else for millennia before Josip Broz, or "Tito," and Josef Stalin in 1944 re-baptized "Vardarska Banovina" into "Macedonia," usurping the name Macedonia from the northern province of Greece with the ultimate goal of annexing Macedonia away from Greece and gaining access to the Aegean?

Unfortunately for the minister, history recorded that President Truman provided the arms, and the Greeks provided the rivers of blood to stop Tito's and Stalin's plans, rescued the Macedonia province and the rest of Greece from the Communists' deadly embrace, and kept Greece and her Macedonia province on the western side of the Iron Curtain. What the province lost in battle then, it now expects to be given on a silver platter.

Mr. Milososki, your people once claimed that there were about 750,000 of them in the United States. The 2000 census revealed the truth as being not even 40,000. You now claim that 120 countries have recognized you by your self-declared identity. Would you kindly produce such a list for the public and identify exactly which countries have recognized you so officially by government-to-government official letter and which others are only coerced by bilateral agreements between companies in your country and other countries?

We hope you enjoyed your visit to the United States of America, Mr. Milososki. The truth can neither be killed nor ignored. The name "Macedonia" is an indisputable part of Greece's historic and cultural legacy, and the Hellenic world will never give up its ownership.

NINA GATZOULIS
Supreme President
Pan-Macedonian Association
Dover, NH

[Truth Bearer]

Washington Times, Opinion
July 21, 2007

Turkey and Europe

Aris Anagnos - The recent turmoil in Turkey, with the military practically vetoing the choice of Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul for president, has refocused attention on the suitability of Turkey as a possible member of the European Union.

In 1963, Turkey signed an Association Agreement with the then-European Economic Community. Turkey's relations with the EEC were harmed by a series of military coups in 1960, 1971 and 1980, while, after the end of the Cold War, its geopolitical significance has been somewhat diminished.

Nevertheless, the European Union in December 1999 named Turkey as a candidate country eligible for accession and, in October 2005, after delicate and difficult discussions, agreed to start open-ended negotiations.

In that respect, we have to congratulate EU officials for their perspicacity. We also have to pay tribute to Greek diplomacy, which, despite differences with Turkey, focused on substance and possible future benefits, and, with an open mind, supported Turkey's accession.

Greece even risked provoking the dissatisfaction of some European partners who continue to have reservations on this matter. Some hoped the Greeks would pull the chestnuts out of the fire and veto the beginning of accession negotiations with Turkey. It is worth noting that the foreign policy of the U. S. and Greece coincides, since both support Turkey's progress within the EU.

Nevertheless, we must always remember that EU Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso said, "Turkey is acceding to the EU, and not the EU to Turkey. " In other words, within the European structure, the worst service we can render Turkey would be a futile attempt to convince the EU to accept something incompatible with the European basic law, the "acquis communautaire. " Instead, we must convince Turkey to harmonize with existing European rules.

How is it conceivable that a state that wishes to enter an international organization stipulates it will not recognize one of its member states and, worse, continues to illegally occupy that member state, as Turkey has done with the Republic of Cyprus?

How can such an applicant have its warplanes constantly violate the airspace of Greece, an existing member? And how about the official threat that it would be a "casus belli," a cause for war, if Greece extends its territorial waters to 12 nautical miles, as she has a perfect right to do under international law?

How can Turkey accede to the EU without respecting fundamental religious freedoms? The Turks are constantly threatening and harassing the Ecumenical Patriarchate in Istanbul, the centuries-old religious headquarters of several hundred thousand Orthodox Christians around the world. Under a more objective approach, Turkish policy would realize the Ecumenical Patriarchate is an asset rather than a menace.

Even if such an application sounds inconceivable or borders on the absurd, it was still accepted and negotiations were started.

Some analysts often cite the potential "threat" that Turkey could turn to some alternative options of cooperation, if its way toward Europe met insurmountable obstacles. These options range from Russia and Iran to China and India. But could Turkey then stay within the frame of a "Western Alliance"? What would be the value of such an alternative option in comparison to what the West has to offer? An evaluation of respective benefits clearly shows this is an idle threat.

Turkey urgently needs extensive development and regional infrastructure. In addition, it needs to bolster democratic institutions and human rights. It is in its own interest to remain within the European trajectory. Europe presents rewarding opportunities for Turkey.

Nevertheless, Europe has its own rules that have been applied equally and objectively to every country that has joined the Union up until now. While Europe may have treated Turkey's case perhaps more favorably at the beginning in order to give it some impetus, it is self-evident that these rules must be respected and applied in this case, too.

It is well known that the structure, traditions and the whole functioning of Turkish society and policy have a different background from those of today's Europe. The EU negotiations and many of the reforms already introduced have been used by pro-European politicians, like Prime Minister Recip Erdogan for "domestic consumption. " The aim was to either achieve future electoral gains or smooth over internal problems. But such use of foreign policy does not work within the EU.

An accepted axiom states that between good friends there is a frank dialogue. Before the EU Commission evaluates the progress of the Turkish reforms, we must tell Turkey the truth: that the road to Europe will be tough, as it was for everyone else before; that they should not expect the EU to adopt Turkish standards but that Turkey must comply with those of the EU, which have applied to everyone else before; and that "European Union a la carte" does not exist. European rules and principles are valid and solid. While the EU has never threatened anybody's national identity, the EU requires the respect of the law.

If these requirements sound harsh, they will be harder later. One way or another, Turkey has to walk the narrow path to meet them and the sooner we tell the truth to our Turkish friends, the better it will be.

Aris Anagnos is vice president of the American Hellenic Council in California.

[GreekSlav]

Did the name belong to somebody else for millennia before Josip Broz, or "Tito," and Josef Stalin in 1944 re-baptized "Vardarska Banovina" into "Macedonia," usurping the name Macedonia from the northern province of Greece with the ultimate goal of annexing Macedonia away from Greece and gaining access to the Aegean?


If you really read this statement, you would know it is quite irrelevant, BUT indicative of the Greek paranoia concerning this name issue. It is quite true that the Greek mentality absolutely believes that by taking the name "Macedonia", the Slavs there would have eyes on the part of the Macedonian province in Greece. IT IS WHAT GREECE BELIEVES, AND PLEASE REMEMBER THAT. Everyone else knows absolutely that Macedonia does not have this vision and if they did, would never be able to carry it out. THEY HAVE NO MILITARY

A big waste of energy.

Now I have no idea why the Washington Times would publish articles as this, written by the very people that have these kinds of fears. It is total blind conformity. Too many Greeks follow this blind conformity, and really do an injustice to themselves by not standing on their own two feet and produce their own thoughts about all this.

Remember, this idea of Macedonia taking the northern province of Greece is a Greek thing only. NO ONE ELSE BELIEVES THIS. A very good piece of political play to make argument. That's all. There is no way possible that it could happen.

[Draco]

Did the name belong to somebody else for millennia before Josip Broz, or "Tito," and Josef Stalin in 1944 re-baptized "Vardarska Banovina" into "Macedonia," usurping the name Macedonia from the northern province of Greece with the ultimate goal of annexing Macedonia away from Greece and gaining access to the Aegean?


If you really read this statement, you would know it is quite irrelevant, BUT indicative of the Greek paranoia concerning this name issue. It is quite true that the Greek mentality absolutely believes that by taking the name "Macedonia", the Slavs there would have eyes on the part of the Macedonian province in Greece. IT IS WHAT GREECE BELIEVES, AND PLEASE REMEMBER THAT. Everyone else knows absolutely that Macedonia does not have this vision and if they did, would never be able to carry it out. THEY HAVE NO MILITARY

A big waste of energy.

Remember, this idea of Macedonia taking the northern province of Greece is a Greek thing only. NO ONE ELSE BELIEVES THIS. A very good piece of political play to make argument. That's all. There is no way possible that it could happen.
That's irrelevant. The rhetoric is there and it's offensive and its being sponsored by the Skopjian government is in itself an act of bad neighbourly relations and as long as Greece has the capacity to act to make it stop, there's nothing wrong with them doing so.

"Taking over" is not limited to territorial annexation. It also covers FYROM seeking to monopolize the name commercially abroad by limiting the usage of the name "Macedonia" and its derivatives to its own products (kind of like a "protected designation of origin"). Imagine, not this year or next but in like ten years when FYROM's "Macedonia" name has caught on, a Skopjian legal challenge to the title of the Greek exported product makedonikos halvas, or the title of the Pan-Macedonian associations for example. Greek writers have also considered this eventuality.

[GreekSlav]

That's irrelevant. The rhetoric is there and it's offensive and its being sponsored by the Skopjian government is in itself an act of bad neighbourly relations and as long as Greece has the capacity to act to make it stop, there's nothing wrong with them doing so.

"Taking over" is not limited to territorial annexation. It also covers FYROM seeking to monopolize the name commercially abroad by limiting the usage of the name "Macedonia" and its derivatives to its own products (kind of like a "protected designation of origin"). Imagine, not this year or next but in like ten years when FYROM's "Macedonia" name has caught on, a Skopjian legal challenge to the title of the Greek exported product makedonikos halvas, or the title of the Pan-Macedonian associations for example. Greek writers have also considered this eventuality.

Is that all you can think of, how the Macedonians would monopolize on the name? Wow, Draco, real awesome stuff. Do you have that much time on your hands to come up with this? Truthfully, I think you can direct that kind of energy toward much better things.

[Draco]

Is that all you can think of, how the Macedonians would monopolize on the name? Wow, Draco, real awesome stuff. Do you have that much time on your hands to come up with this? Truthfully, I think you can direct that kind of energy toward much better things.
As I said, I didn't come up with it.

[GreekSlav]

As I said, I didn't come up with it.

Well, that's right, you did not. Let me amplify by saying that both the small minority of fanatical Macedonians saying they wanted to take northern Greece and all those Greeks that believed them makes for one hell of a mess.

[Spartan]

Did the name belong to somebody else for millennia before Josip Broz, or "Tito," and Josef Stalin in 1944 re-baptized "Vardarska Banovina" into "Macedonia," usurping the name Macedonia from the northern province of Greece with the ultimate goal of annexing Macedonia away from Greece and gaining access to the Aegean?


If you really read this statement, you would know it is quite irrelevant, BUT indicative of the Greek paranoia concerning this name issue. It is quite true that the Greek mentality absolutely believes that by taking the name "Macedonia", the Slavs there would have eyes on the part of the Macedonian province in Greece. IT IS WHAT GREECE BELIEVES, AND PLEASE REMEMBER THAT. Everyone else knows absolutely that Macedonia does not have this vision and if they did, would never be able to carry it out. THEY HAVE NO MILITARY

A big waste of energy.

Now I have no idea why the Washington Times would publish articles as this, written by the very people that have these kinds of fears. It is total blind conformity. Too many Greeks follow this blind conformity, and really do an injustice to themselves by not standing on their own two feet and produce their own thoughts about all this.

Remember, this idea of Macedonia taking the northern province of Greece is a Greek thing only. NO ONE ELSE BELIEVES THIS. A very good piece of political play to make argument. That's all. There is no way possible that it could happen.

GreekSlav how many times do you have to flap your lips about the Greeks being PARANOID about FYROM taking over Greek land?? NO ONE and I reiterate NO ONE is paranoid about FYROM taking over northern Greece! Get that through your thick skull!:nono:

We know and they know there is never any way for that to happen militarily. The agenda of FYROM is a LONG TERM one. We will not sit by while some piss-ant country pushes forth an agenda that steals Greek history in order to achieve their future goal of making a claim on Northern Greece. They plan on waiting many years but in the mean time, while waiting, they will do what they can to propogate such pseudo-history in order to slowly legitimize their claims. One way is by refusing to work towards a solution to an Interim Agreement THEY SIGNED!

Greeks are not paranoid but very rational. We only react to the actions of FYROM's government and diaspora. They are the ones that have disregarded the Agreement. They are the ones that just a week ago broke U.N law by calling themselves, irrelevant of the Agreement, as "Macedonia" and not FYROM. They are the ones who have renamed their capitals international airports name to Alexander the Great. They are the ones who still teach of a "Greater Macedonia" in their military academies. They are the ones who still teach false history in their schools. They are the ones who Are offering parliament seats to the biggest culprits of the agenda, the Diaspora. They are the ones who protest against Greeks celebrating their fight against the Axis powers during WWII!

What has Greece done?? Has Greece not honored the Interim Agreement? Has Greece made any territorial claims towards FYROM? Has Greece not invested heavily into FYROM economy keeping their economy alive??

Tell us GreekSlav, WHAT EXACTLY HAVE THE GREEKS DONE besides respond to the actions of the propagandist in FYROM and their Diaspora??

[GreekSlav]

GreekSlav how many times do you have to flap your lips about the Greeks being PARANOID about FYROM taking over Greek land?? NO ONE and I reiterate NO ONE is paranoid about FYROM taking over northern Greece! Get that through your thick skull!:nono:

We know and they know there is never any way for that to happen militarily. The agenda of FYROM is a LONG TERM one. We will not sit by while some piss-ant country pushes forth an agenda that steals Greek history in order to achieve their future goal of making a claim on Northern Greece. They plan on waiting many years but in the mean time, while waiting, they will do what they can to propogate such pseudo-history in order to slowly legitimize their claims. One way is by refusing to work towards a solution to an Interim Agreement THEY SIGNED!

Greeks are not paranoid but very rational. We only react to the actions of FYROM's government and diaspora. They are the ones that have disregarded the Agreement. They are the ones that just a week ago broke U.N law by calling themselves, irrelevant of the Agreement, as "Macedonia" and not FYROM. They are the ones who have renamed their capitals international airports name to Alexander the Great. They are the ones who still teach of a "Greater Macedonia" in their military academies. They are the ones who still teach false history in their schools. They are the ones who Are offering parliament seats to the biggest culprits of the agenda, the Diaspora. They are the ones who protest against Greeks celebrating their fight against the Axis powers during WWII!

What has Greece done?? Has Greece not honored the Interim Agreement? Has Greece made any territorial claims towards FYROM? Has Greece not invested heavily into FYROM economy keeping their economy alive??

Tell us GreekSlav, WHAT EXACTLY HAVE THE GREEKS DONE besides respond to the actions of the propagandist in FYROM and their Diaspora??


If it is as you say, why do many Greeks continually bring up the paranoia concerning expansionist tendencies of Macedonia?

[GreekSlav]

They are the ones that just a week ago broke U.N law by calling themselves, irrelevant of the Agreement, as "Macedonia" and not FYROM.

So what?

[GreekSlav]

They are the ones who have renamed their capitals international airports name to Alexander the Great.

Who cares?

[GreekSlav]

We will not sit by while some piss-ant country pushes forth an agenda that steals Greek history in order to achieve their future goal of making a claim on Northern Greece.

I continue to read this kind of confusion from my fellow Greeks. Why is it so difficult to understand that no one but the Greeks can lay claim to ancient Greek history? If you understood and believed that with all your heart, you would not waste all that energy giving this subject life.

I know what they have been claiming and I only laugh out loud at their making funnies. I am not offended, nor disgusted at their claims BECAUSE I KNOW TO WHOM THAT HISTORY AND HERITAGE BELONGS TO! I HAVE NO DOUBTS AND THE WHOLE WORLD HAS NO DOUBTS!

[Victor]

They are the ones that just a week ago broke U.N law by calling themselves, irrelevant of the Agreement, as "Macedonia" and not FYROM.

So what?Because here on EArth,breaking the law matters.Not sure what its like on your planet.

[Istor]

this idea of Macedonia taking the northern province of Greece
They have attempted it already, at the years 1946-48. But you are intentionally blind (= MALAKAS) and so, you cannot see it.
They can assure us that they will not do that again if they reject the RoM name.


how the Macedonians would monopolize on the name?

defacto and dejure: Monopolization (http://www.network54.com/Forum/415923/message/1153603874/).
But, you, being intentionally blind (= MALAKAS) cannot see it.

the small minority of fanatical Macedonians
Dreams on Macedonian land are in the history school books of SlavoSkopian pupils.: ET3 (http://www.network54.com/Forum/415923/message/1191504149)

Who cares?

AEIGAMISOUREMALAKA !!!

I'll stop respecting your MOTHER, IDIOT !!!

[Istor]

Why is it so difficult to understand that no one but the Greeks can lay claim to ancient Greek history?

gamwtomounitouTitopousegennhseMALAKA !!

Then why do SlavoSkopians attempt to claim and steal Macedonian history, re pyrovolimene ?????????????????
Are they idiots?

[GreekSlav]

Because here on EArth,breaking the law matters.Not sure what its like on your planet.

Excuse me, Victor, but that is only in certain entities (as in UN, NATO, and EU, but I have already mentioned that) and even then, not completly enforced. So what of correspondence from these entities that use "Republic of Macedonia" instead of "FYROM"?

[GreekSlav]

gamwtomounitouTitopousegennhseMALAKA !!

Then why do SlavoSkopians attempt to claim and steal Macedonian history, re pyrovolimene ?????????????????
Are they idiots?


Again, Istor. If you were truly Greek, you would have no issue nor questions concerning to whom ancient Macedonian history belonged to. Hint: It does not belong to the Macedonians of ROM.

[GreekSlav]

They have attempted it already, at the years 1946-48. But you are intentionally blind (= MALAKAS) and so, you cannot see it.
They can assure us that they will not do that again if they reject the RoM name.




defacto and dejure: Monopolization (http://www.network54.com/Forum/415923/message/1153603874/).
But, you, being intentionally blind (= MALAKAS) cannot see it.


Dreams on Macedonian land are in the history school books of SlavoSkopian pupils.: ET3 (http://www.network54.com/Forum/415923/message/1191504149)



AEIGAMISOUREMALAKA !!!

I'll stop respecting your MOTHER, IDIOT !!!


Excuse me, Moderators. I get banned for less than that above. Take care of it!!! Maximum trolling posts.

[Victor]

Excuse me, Victor, but that is only in certain entities (as in UN, NATO, and EU, but I have already mentioned that) and even then, not completly enforced. So what of correspondence from these entities that use "Republic of Macedonia" instead of "FYROM"?WHat the hell are you talking about???:huh:

[Victor]

Oh,I see slavslav ran away.COWARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

[Greek-Cowboy]

Just want to toss in my 2-cents from the above road map..

I believe the goal of FYROM is to become a united Macedonia. I believe that these persons from Vardarshka province believe they are historically connected to Megas Alexandros, because they all talk about him/ the legacey and the right of being Macedonian.

With all this- there is only one last thing to complete the propoganda- move in and take Theslaoniki- make that the capital and begin to spread the Bulgarian dream. Living in Diaspora - you live the propaganda daily- from our own Begaitsi(Fevgatous) to the Skopians and then Mix them together in their church. This breads propoganda.

Yes Greece has to wake up and cool off the fires...... The Macedonian Question lives........ it lives in Greeces back yard- Look at Rainbow Party Florina- who feeds that fire?