Greek Turks

[Reaper]

I found reading about every name on this list fascinating.

Category:Greek Turkish people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Greek_Turkish_people)

Esp: Zagonas Pasha, Atik Sinan, Ibrahim I, Hayreddin Barbarossa, Oruç Reis (looks like a relative of Xaristeas..), and this lady: Kösem.

[Spartan]

Interesting find! Just goes to show how many Turks are mixed with Greek blood. This is exactly why many of them have Mediterannean based DNA. It is sad to hear them say that the Turks originated in Anatolia without ever acknowledging their Greek side!

[terastios]

Don't forget,all the Patriarchs are Greek-Turks!

[Truth Bearer]

All the early Sultans of tbe Ottomans from Murad I and II to Mehmet II all had Greek mothers.......

[Reaper]

I just added this man to the wiki list, he had sneakily been refered to as a 'christian' but even in their own external links they mention him as greek.

Sinan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinan#External_links)

Therefore to the two greatest ottoman architects were greeks forced converted, lovely..

Also found and added this man, another sad story:

ReÅŸid Mehmed Pasha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Re%C5%9Fid_Mehmed_Pasha#Notes_and_sources)

[GreekSlav]

Interesting find! Just goes to show how many Turks are mixed with Greek blood.

Or how many Greeks are mixed with Turkish blood. Goes either way.

[Tsontos]

Interesting find! Just goes to show how many Turks are mixed with Greek blood.

Or how many Greeks are mixed with Turkish blood. Goes either way.

The "blood" of the former subject christian peoples of the Ottoman empire (Greeks, BUlgarians, Serbs, armenians, romanians) in Turks today is much more considerable than "turkish" blood in former christian subject peoples. Reason being millions were either voluntarily or forcibly (or "both") converted to islam and would later migrate to Turkey regardless of what language they spoke.

Under the sharia law of the Ottoman empire however the penalty for conversion to christianity was death (not to mention the massive disadvantage in terms of taxes that christians ahd). Mixed marriages were also very rare because of religion. So mixing of Turkish "blood" with christians in that sense was confined to exceptions and individual instances

[Hellas7]

^ Exactly.


And this isn't nationalistic dribble, it's pure logic/facts. Otherwise Greeks would be walking around with mongloid features if they had ACTUAL Turkish blood. Not even the majority of Turks have Turkish blood, let alone Greeks.


Greeks have mixed blood with other Christians peoples such as Slavs (who were Hellenized and Christianized) or Albanians (same) and so on.

[Tsontos]

Yep and the same goes for the Ottoman Jews as well. They also would have a minimal amount of Turkish/ Muslim blood while there was lots of mixing between the ancient Jewish communities of the Balkans like the Romaniotes and the Sephardic Jews who came from Spain in the 15th century.

[effie]

Interesting find! Just goes to show how many Turks are mixed with Greek blood.

Or how many Greeks are mixed with Turkish blood. Goes either way.

This person is here just to annoy us.


There is a lot of Greek blood in the Turks of today but not only Greek, they also have the blood of all the Balkan peoples. This is because of the children the Turks forcibly took from all the Balkan countries, to raise. They were the Janissaries, the most expert fighting unit the Ottoman Empire had.

" The Janissaries became famous for their military skills, but also because they were staffed by youths conscripted from Christian families in the Balkans. After the conscription they were defined as the property of the sultan, and practically all of them converted to Islam."


These children were picked for their looks and for their intelligence, were educated and a lot of them became administrators in the Ottoman empire. They were also forcibly converted to Islam and some of them became more fanatical than the most fanatical of the Turks. Hasn't anyone every wondered how some Turks, a people who migrated from Asia, have blue eyes?


On the other hand, the Greeks did not marry Turks because of their religion so how Slav comes to the conclusion he came to I don't know. In 400 years there must have been some intermingling of the two peoples but not a lot I would imagine. Has anyone any reliable information on this?

[effie]

^ Exactly.


And this isn't nationalistic dribble, it's pure logic/facts. Otherwise Greeks would be walking around with mongloid features if they had ACTUAL Turkish blood. Not even the majority of Turks have Turkish blood, let alone Greeks.


Greeks have mixed blood with other Christians peoples such as Slavs (who were Hellenized and Christianized) or Albanians (same) and so on.

True, because the original Turks came from Asia.

This is another example of the ignorance so prevalent in our times.

A lot of people around the world do not know that the Turks came from somewhere else and conquered Asia Minor. I read somewhere, in a discussion about the stolen marbles from the Parthenon, that the Greeks shouldn't complain because the parthenon was built with the taxes extracted from the Turks in Asia Minor - the person who wrote this obviously had no idea that Asia Minor was then a part of Greece and turks in present day Turkey didn't even exist.

[HellenicPride]

^ Exactly.


And this isn't nationalistic dribble, it's pure logic/facts. Otherwise Greeks would be walking around with mongloid features if they had ACTUAL Turkish blood. Not even the majority of Turks have Turkish blood, let alone Greeks.


Greeks have mixed blood with other Christians peoples such as Slavs (who were Hellenized and Christianized) or Albanians (same) and so on.

You are correct I have rarely seen Greeks with mongol looking facial characteristics.

This is such a big misconception and it figures someone like GreekSlav would post that statement. People need to study history in depth and then they would not post such garbage.

[effie]

I just posted something about Turkish blood and Greeks on another thread.

In short, the Turks kept the people they controlled segregated according to religion, which means that there would be little contact between races. And I also read that a Muslim couldn't marry a Christian - if he did he was killed. It stands to reason that there must have been some mixing of the races but it must have been negligible because there aren't many Greeks around with Mongolian features.

[Truth Bearer]

Turks could marry Greeks but the Greek had to become a muslim.