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akritas
12-30-2005, 05:18 AM
The history of the Greek Language begins, as far as the surviving texts are concerned, with the Mycenaean civilization at least as early as the13B.C. Greek dialects were attested as early as the Linear B of the Mycenaean tablets found on Crete and mainland Greece (around 1200 B.C.). After the collapse of the Mycenaean civilization (around 1200 BC) writing disappeared from Greece.

In the late ninth to early 8th BC a script based on the Phoenician syllabary was introduced, with unneeded consonant symbols being reused to represent the Greek vowels.

The major difreent between Phoenician and the Hellenic is that the first is Consonantal Alphabetic when the second is a C&V Alphabetic.
Phoenician alphabet has no vowels. Both scripts belong in Proto-Sinaitic family tree.

From the shape of the letters, it is clear that the Greeks adopted the alphabet the Phoenician script, mostly like during the late 9th BC. In fact, Greek historian Herotodus (5th century BCE) called the Greek letters "phoinikeia grammata" (foinikia grammata), which means Phoenician letters When the Greeks adopted the alphabet; they found letters representing sounds not found in Greek. Instead of throwing them away, they modified the extraneous letters to represent vowels. For example, the Phoenician letters 'aleph (which stood for a glottal stop) became the Greek letter alpha (which stands for [a] sound).

Although many people identify ancient Greece with classical Athens, much of what made classical Athens and its neighbors distinctive had its origins in what is called the "Archaic period," that is, the period traditionally dated from the first Olympiad in 776 B.C. to the end of the Persian Wars in 479 B.C. Far from being "archaic" in the modern sense, the Archaic period of Greek history witnessed the reintroduction of writing to Greece, the development of the city-state (polis), the creation of Homer's epics and of the intensely personal poetry of Archilochus and Sappho, as well as the birth of western philosophy in Ionia and the rise to prominence of the great powers of the 5th century, Athens and Sparta.

· Homer's Iliad (English (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0134), Greek (http://www.fh-augsburg.de/~harsch/graeca/Chronologia/S_ante08/Homeros/hom_il00.html))
· Archilochus (http://www.fh-augsburg.de/~harsch/graeca/Chronologia/S_ante07/Archilochos/arc_intr.html)
· Plutarch's Life of Solon (http://classics.mit.edu/Plutarch/solon.html)

There were many variants of the early Greek alphabet, each suited to a local dialect. Eventually the Ionian alphabet was adopted in all Greek-speaking states, but before that happened, the Euboean variant was carried to the Italic peninsula and adopted by Etruscan and eventually the Romans.

In the classical or Hellenic period Greek existed in several major dialects, each of which has its own significance for the history of the language, but the most influential of these would ultimately prove to be the one spoken in Athens, called Attic. Well within the hellenic period, though, Attic and Ionic—the form of the language spoken mainly in the Greek city states directly across the Aegean Sea from Athens—exerted significant influence on each other as the preferred forms of the language for oratory and philosophical prose, eventually producing a dialect now called Attic-Ionic.

Recently and after the discovering of plenty of inscriptions as the Pella katadesmos in Macedonia we have the officially recognition of the Ancient Macedonian Language as a part of the Hellenic family and a Subgrouping Code Indo European Greek B (IEGB)

As I said the Pella katadesmos was the main cause of the independent recognizing. Bellow I present opinion of two undependable and not Greek origin linguistics that prove the Hellenic origin of the ancient inscription and also the opinion of what was the spoken language of the Ancient Macedonians:

“A 4th BC curse tablet from Pella shows word forms which are clearly Doric, but a different form of Doric from any of the west Greek dialects of areas adjoining Macedon. Three other, very brief, fourth century inscriptions are also indubitably Doric. These show that a Doric dialect was spoken in Macedon, as we would expect from the West Greek forms of Greek names found in Macedon. And yet later Macedonian inscriptions are in Koine avoiding both Doric forms and the Macedonian voicing of consonants. The native Macedonian dialect had become unsuitable for written documents." [James L. O'Neil's (of the University of Sydney) presentation at the 2005 Conference of the Australasian Society for Classical Studies, entitled "Doric Forms in Macedonian Inscriptions]

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"Yet in contrast with earlier views which made of it {i.e. Macedonian} an Aeolic dialect (O.Hoffmann compared Thessalian) we must by now think of a link with North-West Greek (Locrian, Aetolian, Phocidian, Epirote). This view is supported by the recent discovery at Pella of a curse tablet (4th cent. BC) which may well be the first 'Macedonian' text attested (provisional publication by E.Voutyras; cf. the Bulletin Epigraphique in Rev. Et. Grec. 1994, no.413); the text includes an adverb "opoka" which is not Thessalian." (OCD, 1996, pp 905, 906). [Oxford Classical Dictionary, Professor Olivier Masson]
The ancient language of the Macedonian kingdom had spoken in N. Greece and South F.Y.R.O. Macedonia during the later 1st millennium BC. Survived until the early 1st millennium AD. Not to be confused with the modern Macedonian language, this is a close relative of the Slavic Bulgarian.


Sources:
http://www.greek-language.com/historyofgreek/ (http://www.greek-language.com/historyofgreek/)
http://cf.linguistlist.org/cfdocs/new-website/LL-WorkingDirs/forms/langs/LLDescription.cfm?code=xmk (http://cf.linguistlist.org/cfdocs/new-website/LL-WorkingDirs/forms/langs/LLDescription.cfm?code=xmk)
http://www.school-explorer.com/info/Pella_katadesmos (http://www.school-explorer.com/info/Pella_katadesmos)
http://www.utexas.edu/cola/depts/lrc/iedocctr/ie-lg/Hellenic.html (http://www.utexas.edu/cola/depts/lrc/iedocctr/ie-lg/Hellenic.html)

Akritas

Orphic_Hymn
12-30-2005, 08:19 AM
Good post:thumbs:

I'll take a different approach.

First let's clear that the one and only REAL alphabet is the Hellinic alphabet.. The exact definition of an alphabet is:

>>A collection of symbols that, in the context of a particular written language, represent the sounds of that language. <<

Based on this simple notion, we see that Phonecian, Hebrew and the rest of the alleged 'alphabets' can not, should not be named as such.
The major differences between these scripts and what is a real Alphabet, is explained in the following quotes :

"A further problem is that phonological reading is only effective with language not dominated by homophones (words sounding alike such as burry and berry).For example 69 Chinese words are pronounced /i/, the average word shares the same pronunciation (including tone) with ten others" (Diringer, 1968:64).

"In Greek, vowel letters represent only vowels; in consonantal alphabets letters representing vowels may be also representing consonants something which might not be immediately unambiguous." (John R Skoyles)

Many 'scholars' have claimed that the Hellinic Alphabet derives from the Phoenician script.. Phoenician according to all sources derives directly from the 'Proto-Sinaitic' script that is dated to 1900BC., the first Punic written records go back to about 1500 BC.
The earliest known inscriptions in Phoenician come from Byblos and date back to ca. 1000 BC. and the vocalization of Canaanite, as far as it is known to us, e.g. from glosses in the Tell-el-Amarna tablets (i5th century. B.C.)i and much later from the Punic passages in the Poenulus of Plautus.
Based on these facts, these scholars, use as an argument the fact that the names mean something in their language, which indicates their origin. For example : Aleph - cow - Alpha, Beth - house - Beta, Gimel - Camel - Gamma
.In addition to the argument of the alleged 'time gap' between scripts in Hellas..

The so called 'gap' between 1100-800 BC in Hellinic script is easily rejected since we have knowledge of the inscriptions at Tell El Yahoodieh which are of a much earlier date (Ramses III lived in the 12th century BC as commonly taught) which are not of Linear but of the allegedly 'adopted' form. Further proof are the similar finds at Pilikates, in Ithaca, the Euboean settlement of Pithekoussai on the isle of Ischia..etc which can not constitute an adoption simply because Phoenician appears several year later.

Note that :
E. Naville, `The Mound of the Jew and the City of Onias', Plate IV
Brugsch, Emil, `On et Onion, Receuil des travaux relatif a la philo. et. hist. Egypt. et Assyr', Vol. VIII, 1885, p.5.
Griffith, F.L.L., `The Antiquities of Tell-el-Yahudiyeh', p. 41
T. H. Lewis, Tel El-Yahoudeh' in TSBA, Vol. VII, January 1881, Part 2, p. 177-192
all mention the inscriptions of letters A, E, I, D, O, C, T, X and acknowledge them as Hellenic..


Anyway, when looking at the 'Proto-Sinaitic' script, one easily comes to the conclusion that neiter the 'Proto-Sinaitic' nor the later Phoenician adopted 'letters', depict anything remotely close the the meaning of the names attested to the 'letters'. Which obviously indicates a quite different origin of the shapes at least..

If we were to look into the Cretan Hieroglyphic script, we find a direct connection in the comparison of Cretan hieroglyphics dated 2200BC (prior to 'Proto-Sinaitic') to Linear B' and Linear B' to the later Hellinic alphabet... The obvious connection indicates a probable counter-loan instead of the so-called adoption if this ever took place to begin with. This can be easily supported by the well known invasions of the Sea People in the 12th. cent.

Let's also mention that Bernal the author of the well known Black Athena, despite his efforts to claim anything Hellinic to have derived from Egypt. In his analysis of the Cretan Hieroglyphics clearly mentions :

"‘This independence [of Crete] is reflected in the fact that palatial Crete did not adopt Egyptian hieroglyphics, cuneiform or a Byblian script, but used its own hieroglyphic and syllabic systems.’ (p. 162)"

Indicating that Cretan hieroglyphics and thus the already proven beyond doubt Linear B' are a construction of the autochthonous population and no kind of 'import' what so ever. Time and further research will show, that the Hellinic alphabet, just as the language, was not adopted, but constructed...


To cut a possibly long post short, I'll just mention that :

* the the 'house depicted in hieroglyphics becomes the "so" in Linear B' and then became the later 'Beta',
*the ox head became the Linear 'e' and then the 'A',
*the depiction of the 'nail' (hlos) becomes the 'ko' and later the 'Y'.
*the 'kappa' derives from the Linear 'nwa' and that derives from the hand symbol in hieroglyphics,
*the 'omikron' derives from the Linear 'zu' and that from the hieroglyphic depiction of an 'eye'
*the 'gammal' derives from the Linear 'nu' and that from the hieroglyphic 'skeles' (leg).
*the 'theta' derives from the Linear 'ka' and the hieroglyphic 'wheel'
*the 'koppa' depicted as a 'Q') derives from the Linear 'za' and that from the hieroglyphic depiction of a 'head'
*the 'ksi' derives from the Linear 'te' and that from the depiction of a 'tree' in hieroglyphics..

akritas
12-30-2005, 11:04 AM
Thanks also and yours :thumbs: