Ptolemy
05-10-2007, 06:17 PM
One of the latest habbits of propagandists from FYROM and their diaspora is to publish books under non-slavic names so that maybe their propaganda will be taken more serious. One good sample of this pitiful propagandistic attempt is a lurker under the fake name of J.S. Gandeto, probably ashamed to use his real slavic name Josif Grezlovski since his absurb 'theories' have been refuted in google groups long ago. This person is the "author" on a book that compares "ancient Macedonians to ancient Greeks". Interestingly this book has been published by iUniverse, a publisher that publishes books funded by their authors.
Anyway lets have a look to the absurb "conclusions" of Gandeto aka Grezlovski which contain the following:
Ancient Macedonians:
(1) Did not, and could not "hire" mercenaries from their own kingdom of Macedon.
Fact: Grezlovski obviously ignores certain facts of ancient Macedonian history. For example during a difficult period for the king of Macedon, Amyntas, his ally, the Spartan Teleutias ordered Amyntas to enroll mercenaries from the "nearby kingdoms". Among the mercenaries who helped Teleutias and Amyntas were the Macedonian cavalry coming from Elimeia.
(2) Did not have "allies" from their own kingdom of Macedon.
Fact: Grezlovski is getting caught lying again. According to (Herod. 2.99.2)
"These are of the Macedones also Lyncestae and Elimiotae and other tribes further inland who are indeed allied and obidient to them but have their own monarchies"
In reality the greek original text contains the words "ξύμμαχα" and "υπήκοα". Alliance of course can exist only between independent states and the term "υπήκοα" points out a relation based on subjection.
(3) Did not raze cities to the ground from their own kingdom of Macedon.
Fact: Sparta didnt razed cities to the ground from Lacedaemon territories either. So?
(4) Did not sell the inhabitants of their own cities as slaves.
Fact: Neither greek city-states sold as slaves from their own city.
(5) Did not pillage and burn the crops in their own countryside.
Fact: Its common sense that no greek city-state pillaged and burned their own countryside.
(6) Did not station garrisons in their own Macedonian kingdom.
Fact: Another lie from Grezlovski aka 'Gandeto'.
(Aesch. On the embassy 2.27)
and when Pausanias was coming back to contend for the throne, an exile then, but favoured by opportunity and the support of many of the people, and bringing a Greek force with him, and when he had already seized Anthemon, Therma, Strepsa, and certain other places, at a time when the Macedonians were not united, but most of them favoured Pausanias
However there are examples among ancient sources that even Greeks like Spartans placed garrisons to other greek cities like Thebes.
The events which followed confirmed this suspicion; for when the Thebans had expelled the Spartan garrison and recovered the freedom of their city, Agesilaus declared war against them.
This doesnt mean of course Spartans were non-Greeks according to the pathetic argument of Gandeto aka Grezlovski.
(7) Could not have been asked by their own people to evacuate their country.
Fact: Grezlovski as usual is getting caught lying and distorts historical truth. He simply ignores the fact many eminent Macedonians, among them kings, were exiled by their own people. A classic example is shown above by the story of Pausanias vs Ptolemy Alorites and Eurydice. Even during Alexander's campaign to Asia there were in the other side ALSO eminent Macedonians.
(8 ) Were not hated and cursed by their own populace.
Fact: According to the eminent prof. Bossworth, "Menelaus of Pelagon fled Lyncestis when the kingdom was annexed by Philip, finding refuge and politeia in Athens”. He continues “The upper kingdoms then had a constant struggle to preserve their independence and fostered alliances with the peoples to the west and north. On the other hand the policy of the kings of Macedon was to make the recalcitrant mountaineers truly “ξύμμαχα και υπήκοα. One line of approach was direct annexation attempted disastrously by Perdiccas II and successfully by Philip.”
Of course we shouldnt ignore the fact Philip II was assasinated by a mountaineer Macedon and two other Macedonian nobles were murdered for taking part in the same conspiracy, nor that the hate some Macedonians felt about Alexander's policies lead them to find themselves in the side of Persians against their own countrymen (Amyntas, son of Antiochus)
(9) Did not destroy religious temples in their own kingdom of Macedon.
Fact: Obviously each greek city-state/kingdom didnt destroy religious temples inside their own territories.
(10) Did not (could not) enslave their own country.
Fact:
According to (Herod. 2.99.2)
"These are of the Macedones also Lyncestae and Elimiotae and other tribes further inland who are indeed allied and obidient to them but have their own monarchies"
In reality the greek original text contains the words "ξύμμαχα" and "υπήκοα". Alliance of course can exist only between independent states and the term "υπήκοα" points out a relation based on subjection.
(11) Did not regard themselves as Greeks—looked down upon then with contempt
Fact: Gandeto aka Grezlovski has totally lost it during his delirium.
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/ancient-macedonian-history/1433-what-did-ancient-macedonians-say-think-about-themselves.html
Alexander I, king of Macedon
Men of Athens... Had I not greatly AT HEART the COMMON welfare of GREECE I should not have come to tell you; but I AM MYSELF GREEK by descent, and I would not willingly see Greece exchange freedom for slavery. ...If you prosper in this war, forget not to do something for my freedom; consider the risk I have run, out of zeal for the GREEK CAUSE, to acquaint you with what Mardonius intends, and to save you from being surprised by the barbarians. I am ALEXANDER of MACEDON.'
[Herodotus, The Histories, 9.45, translated by G.Rawlinson]
Tell your king who sent you how his GREEK viceroy of Macedonia has received you hospitably... "
Herodotus V, 20, 4 (Loeb, A.D. Godley)
Alexander III (the Great)
In his letter to the king of the Persians:
Your ancestors invaded Macedonia and the rest of Greece and did US great harm, though WE had done them no prior injury [...] I have been appointed hegemon of the Greeks [...]
(Arrian, Anabasis of Alexander II,14,4)
ALEXANDER TALKING ABOUT HIMSELF AND MACEDONIANS
BEING GREEK AND FIGHTING FOR GREECE:
...............There are Greek troops, to be sure, in Persian service --
but how different is their cause from ours ! They will be fighting for
pay--- and not much of it at that; WE on the contrary shall fight for
GREECE, and our hearts will be in it.
As for our FOREIGN troops ---Thracians, Paeonians, Illyrians,
Agrianes --- they are the best and stoutest soldiers of Europe, and they will find as their opponents the slackest and softest of the tribes of
Asia.
Arrian (The Campaigns of Alexander) Alexander talking to the troops before the battle. Book 2-7 Penguin Classics. Page 112. Translation by Aubrey De Seliucourt.
He set the Persian palace on fire, even though parmenio urged him to save it, arguing that it was not right to destroy his own property, and that the Asians would not thus devote themselves to him, if he seemed determined not to rule Asia, but only to pass through as a conqueror.
but Alexander replied that he intended to punish the persians for their invasion of Greece, the destruction of Athens, the burning of the temples, and all manner of terrible things done to the Greeks: because of these things, he was exacting revenge.
but Alexander does not seem to me to have acted prudently, nor can it be regarded as any kind of punishment upon Persians of long ago.
[Arrian Anab. 3. 18. 11-12].
On this occasion, he [Alexander] made a very long speech to the Thessalians and the other Greeks, and when he saw that they encouraged him with shouts to lead them against the Barbarians, he shifted his lance into his left hand, and with his right appealed to the gods, as Callisthenes tells us, praying them, if he was really sprung from Zeus, to defend and strengthen the Greeks.
[Plutarch. Alexander (ed. Bernadotte Perrin) XXXIII]
Alexander called a meeting of his generals the next day. He told them that no city was more hateful to the Greeks than Persepolis, the capital of the old kings of Persia, the city from which troops without number had poured forth, from which first Darius and then Xerxes had waged an unholy war on Europe. To appease the spirits of their forefathers they should wipe it out, he said.
(Quintus Curtius Rufus 5.6.1)
As for Alexander, it is generally agreed that, when sleep had brought him back to his senses after his drunken bout, he regretted his actions and said that the Persians would have suffered a more grievous punishment at the hands of the Greeks had they been forced to see HIM on Xerxes' throne and in his palace.
(Quintus Curtius Rufus 5.8)
But he said, ‘If I were not Alexandros, I should be Diogenes’; that is to say: `If it were not my purpose to combine barbarian things with things HELLENIC, to traverse and civilize every continent, to search out the uttermost parts of land and sea, TO PUSH THE BOUNDS OF MACEDONIA TO THE FARTHEST OCEAN, AND TO DISSEMINATE AND SHOWER THE BLESSINGS OF HELLENIC JUSTICE and peace over every nation, I should not be content to sit quietly in the luxury of idle power, but I should emulate the frugality of Diogenes. But as things are, forgive me Diogenes, that I imitate Herakles, and emulate Perseus, and follow in the footsteps of Dionysos, the divine author and progenitor of my family, and DESIRE THAT VICTORIOUS HELLENES SHOULD DANCE AGAIN in India [...]"
[Plutarch's Moralia, On the Fortune of Alexander, 332A (Loeb, F.C Babbitt)]
Alexander, son of Philip, and the Greeks, except the Lacedaemonians, from the barbarian inhabitans in Asia
[Arrian, I, 16, 10]
PHILIP V, KING OF MACEDON
For on many occasions when I and the other Greeks sent embassies to you begging you to remove from your statutes the law empowering you to get booty from booty, you replied that you would rather remove Aetolia from Aetolia than that law
[Polyvius, 18.4.8]
TREATY BETWEEN HANNIBAL AND PHILIP V OF MACEDON
In the presence of Zeus, Hera, and Apollo: in the presence of the Genius of Carthage, of Heracles, and Iolaus: in the presence of Ares, Triton, and Poseidon: in the presence of the gods who battle for us and the Sun, Moon, and Earth; in the presence of Rivers, Lakes, and Waters: 3 in the presence of all the gods who possess Macedonia and the REST of Greece: in the presence of all the gods of the army who preside over this oath. 4 Thus saith Hannibal the general, and all the Carthaginian senators with him, and all Carthaginians serving with him, that as seemeth good to you and to us, so should we bind ourselves by oath to be even as friends, kinsmen, and brothers, on these conditions. 5 (1) That King Philip and the Macedonians and the REST of the Greeks who are their allies shall protect the Carthaginians, the supreme lords, and Hannibal their general, and those with p423him, and all under the dominion of Carthage who live under the same laws; likewise the people of Utica and all cities and peoples that are subject to Carthage, and our soldiers and allies 6 and cities and peoples in Italy, Gaul, and Liguria, with whom we are in alliance or with whomsoever in this country we may hereafter enter into alliance. 7 (2) King Philip and the Macedonians and such of the Greeks as are the allies shall be protected and guarded by the Carthaginians who are serving with us, by the people of Utica and by all cities and peoples that are subject to Carthage, by our allies and soldiers and all peoples and cities in Italy, Gaul, and Liguria, who are our allies, and by such others as may hereafter become our allies in Italy and the adjacent regions. 8 (3) We will enter into no plot against each other, nor lie in ambush for each other, but with all zeal and good fellowship, without deceit or secret design, we will be enemies of such as war against the Carthaginians, always excepting the kings, cities, and ports with which we have sworn treaties of alliance. 9 (4) And we, too, will be the enemies of such as war against King Philip, always excepting the Greeks, cities, and people with which we have sworn treaties of alliance. 10 (5) You will be our allies in the war in which we are engaged with the Romans until the gods vouchsafe the victory to us and to you, and you will give us 11 such help as we have need of or as we agree upon. 12 (6) As soon as the gods have given us the victory in the war against the Romans and their allies, if the Romans ask us to come to p425terms of peace, we will make such a peace as will comprise you too, 12 and on the following conditions: that the Romans may never make war upon you; that the Romans shall no longer be masters of Corcyra, Apollonia, Epidamnus, Pharos, Dimale, Parthini, or Atitania: 14 and that they shall return to Demetrius of Pharos all his friends who are in the dominions of Rome. 15 (7) If ever the Romans make war on you or on us, we will help each other in the war as may be required on either side. 16 (8) In like manner if any others do so, excepting always kings, cities, and peoples with whom we have sworn treaties of alliance. 17 (9) If we decide to withdraw any clauses from this treaty or to add any we will withdraw such clauses or add them as we both may agree
The Histories of Polybius, VII, 9, 4 (Loeb, W. R. Paton)
Now that these descendants of Perdiccas are Greeks, as THEY THEMSELVES SAY, I myself chance to know
Herodotus V, 22, 1 (Loeb, A.D. Godley)
OTHER MACEDONIANS:
Speech of the Macedonian ambassador to the Aitolians:
The Aitolians, the Akarnanians, the Macedonians, men of the SAME speech, are united or disunited by trivial causes that arise from time to time; with aliens, with barbarians, all Greeks wage and will wage eternal war; for they are enemies by the will of nature, which is eternal, and not from reasons that change from day to day.
Titus Livius, From the Foundation of the City 31
There a man appeared to them, wearing a Greek cloak, and dressed otherwise in the Greek fashion, and speaking Greek also. Those [Macedonians] who first sighted him said that they burst into tears, so strange did it seem after all these miseries to see a Greek, and to hear Greek spoken. They asked whence he came, who he was; and he said that he had become separated from Alexander's camp, and that the camp, and Alexander himself, were not very far distant. Shouting aloud and clapping their hands they brought this man to Nearchus...
Arrian, "The Indica" XXXIII
Around 143/142 BC, Damon the Macedonian, son of Nicanor, from the city of Thessalonica, paid with his own money and erected a statue of copper in Olympia, honouring Q.Caecilius Metellus. In the statue's inscription it is written as motives of this honouring the virtue of the honoured and the sympathetic actions of Quintus Metellus to "Macedonians and the rest of Greeks". What is more interesting is that the statue was erected from Damon the Macedonian in Olympia, the most important Hellenic centre of that era and it reveals Macedonians saw themselves as Greeks.
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/692/macedonianartifact11er9.jpg
CONCLUSION:
Despite the pitiful attempts of Gandeto aka Grezlovski to distort well-known historical facts, the available evidence shows that ancient Macedonians considered themselves to be Greek and certainly totally unrelated to the inhabitants of FYROM.
Anyway lets have a look to the absurb "conclusions" of Gandeto aka Grezlovski which contain the following:
Ancient Macedonians:
(1) Did not, and could not "hire" mercenaries from their own kingdom of Macedon.
Fact: Grezlovski obviously ignores certain facts of ancient Macedonian history. For example during a difficult period for the king of Macedon, Amyntas, his ally, the Spartan Teleutias ordered Amyntas to enroll mercenaries from the "nearby kingdoms". Among the mercenaries who helped Teleutias and Amyntas were the Macedonian cavalry coming from Elimeia.
(2) Did not have "allies" from their own kingdom of Macedon.
Fact: Grezlovski is getting caught lying again. According to (Herod. 2.99.2)
"These are of the Macedones also Lyncestae and Elimiotae and other tribes further inland who are indeed allied and obidient to them but have their own monarchies"
In reality the greek original text contains the words "ξύμμαχα" and "υπήκοα". Alliance of course can exist only between independent states and the term "υπήκοα" points out a relation based on subjection.
(3) Did not raze cities to the ground from their own kingdom of Macedon.
Fact: Sparta didnt razed cities to the ground from Lacedaemon territories either. So?
(4) Did not sell the inhabitants of their own cities as slaves.
Fact: Neither greek city-states sold as slaves from their own city.
(5) Did not pillage and burn the crops in their own countryside.
Fact: Its common sense that no greek city-state pillaged and burned their own countryside.
(6) Did not station garrisons in their own Macedonian kingdom.
Fact: Another lie from Grezlovski aka 'Gandeto'.
(Aesch. On the embassy 2.27)
and when Pausanias was coming back to contend for the throne, an exile then, but favoured by opportunity and the support of many of the people, and bringing a Greek force with him, and when he had already seized Anthemon, Therma, Strepsa, and certain other places, at a time when the Macedonians were not united, but most of them favoured Pausanias
However there are examples among ancient sources that even Greeks like Spartans placed garrisons to other greek cities like Thebes.
The events which followed confirmed this suspicion; for when the Thebans had expelled the Spartan garrison and recovered the freedom of their city, Agesilaus declared war against them.
This doesnt mean of course Spartans were non-Greeks according to the pathetic argument of Gandeto aka Grezlovski.
(7) Could not have been asked by their own people to evacuate their country.
Fact: Grezlovski as usual is getting caught lying and distorts historical truth. He simply ignores the fact many eminent Macedonians, among them kings, were exiled by their own people. A classic example is shown above by the story of Pausanias vs Ptolemy Alorites and Eurydice. Even during Alexander's campaign to Asia there were in the other side ALSO eminent Macedonians.
(8 ) Were not hated and cursed by their own populace.
Fact: According to the eminent prof. Bossworth, "Menelaus of Pelagon fled Lyncestis when the kingdom was annexed by Philip, finding refuge and politeia in Athens”. He continues “The upper kingdoms then had a constant struggle to preserve their independence and fostered alliances with the peoples to the west and north. On the other hand the policy of the kings of Macedon was to make the recalcitrant mountaineers truly “ξύμμαχα και υπήκοα. One line of approach was direct annexation attempted disastrously by Perdiccas II and successfully by Philip.”
Of course we shouldnt ignore the fact Philip II was assasinated by a mountaineer Macedon and two other Macedonian nobles were murdered for taking part in the same conspiracy, nor that the hate some Macedonians felt about Alexander's policies lead them to find themselves in the side of Persians against their own countrymen (Amyntas, son of Antiochus)
(9) Did not destroy religious temples in their own kingdom of Macedon.
Fact: Obviously each greek city-state/kingdom didnt destroy religious temples inside their own territories.
(10) Did not (could not) enslave their own country.
Fact:
According to (Herod. 2.99.2)
"These are of the Macedones also Lyncestae and Elimiotae and other tribes further inland who are indeed allied and obidient to them but have their own monarchies"
In reality the greek original text contains the words "ξύμμαχα" and "υπήκοα". Alliance of course can exist only between independent states and the term "υπήκοα" points out a relation based on subjection.
(11) Did not regard themselves as Greeks—looked down upon then with contempt
Fact: Gandeto aka Grezlovski has totally lost it during his delirium.
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/ancient-macedonian-history/1433-what-did-ancient-macedonians-say-think-about-themselves.html
Alexander I, king of Macedon
Men of Athens... Had I not greatly AT HEART the COMMON welfare of GREECE I should not have come to tell you; but I AM MYSELF GREEK by descent, and I would not willingly see Greece exchange freedom for slavery. ...If you prosper in this war, forget not to do something for my freedom; consider the risk I have run, out of zeal for the GREEK CAUSE, to acquaint you with what Mardonius intends, and to save you from being surprised by the barbarians. I am ALEXANDER of MACEDON.'
[Herodotus, The Histories, 9.45, translated by G.Rawlinson]
Tell your king who sent you how his GREEK viceroy of Macedonia has received you hospitably... "
Herodotus V, 20, 4 (Loeb, A.D. Godley)
Alexander III (the Great)
In his letter to the king of the Persians:
Your ancestors invaded Macedonia and the rest of Greece and did US great harm, though WE had done them no prior injury [...] I have been appointed hegemon of the Greeks [...]
(Arrian, Anabasis of Alexander II,14,4)
ALEXANDER TALKING ABOUT HIMSELF AND MACEDONIANS
BEING GREEK AND FIGHTING FOR GREECE:
...............There are Greek troops, to be sure, in Persian service --
but how different is their cause from ours ! They will be fighting for
pay--- and not much of it at that; WE on the contrary shall fight for
GREECE, and our hearts will be in it.
As for our FOREIGN troops ---Thracians, Paeonians, Illyrians,
Agrianes --- they are the best and stoutest soldiers of Europe, and they will find as their opponents the slackest and softest of the tribes of
Asia.
Arrian (The Campaigns of Alexander) Alexander talking to the troops before the battle. Book 2-7 Penguin Classics. Page 112. Translation by Aubrey De Seliucourt.
He set the Persian palace on fire, even though parmenio urged him to save it, arguing that it was not right to destroy his own property, and that the Asians would not thus devote themselves to him, if he seemed determined not to rule Asia, but only to pass through as a conqueror.
but Alexander replied that he intended to punish the persians for their invasion of Greece, the destruction of Athens, the burning of the temples, and all manner of terrible things done to the Greeks: because of these things, he was exacting revenge.
but Alexander does not seem to me to have acted prudently, nor can it be regarded as any kind of punishment upon Persians of long ago.
[Arrian Anab. 3. 18. 11-12].
On this occasion, he [Alexander] made a very long speech to the Thessalians and the other Greeks, and when he saw that they encouraged him with shouts to lead them against the Barbarians, he shifted his lance into his left hand, and with his right appealed to the gods, as Callisthenes tells us, praying them, if he was really sprung from Zeus, to defend and strengthen the Greeks.
[Plutarch. Alexander (ed. Bernadotte Perrin) XXXIII]
Alexander called a meeting of his generals the next day. He told them that no city was more hateful to the Greeks than Persepolis, the capital of the old kings of Persia, the city from which troops without number had poured forth, from which first Darius and then Xerxes had waged an unholy war on Europe. To appease the spirits of their forefathers they should wipe it out, he said.
(Quintus Curtius Rufus 5.6.1)
As for Alexander, it is generally agreed that, when sleep had brought him back to his senses after his drunken bout, he regretted his actions and said that the Persians would have suffered a more grievous punishment at the hands of the Greeks had they been forced to see HIM on Xerxes' throne and in his palace.
(Quintus Curtius Rufus 5.8)
But he said, ‘If I were not Alexandros, I should be Diogenes’; that is to say: `If it were not my purpose to combine barbarian things with things HELLENIC, to traverse and civilize every continent, to search out the uttermost parts of land and sea, TO PUSH THE BOUNDS OF MACEDONIA TO THE FARTHEST OCEAN, AND TO DISSEMINATE AND SHOWER THE BLESSINGS OF HELLENIC JUSTICE and peace over every nation, I should not be content to sit quietly in the luxury of idle power, but I should emulate the frugality of Diogenes. But as things are, forgive me Diogenes, that I imitate Herakles, and emulate Perseus, and follow in the footsteps of Dionysos, the divine author and progenitor of my family, and DESIRE THAT VICTORIOUS HELLENES SHOULD DANCE AGAIN in India [...]"
[Plutarch's Moralia, On the Fortune of Alexander, 332A (Loeb, F.C Babbitt)]
Alexander, son of Philip, and the Greeks, except the Lacedaemonians, from the barbarian inhabitans in Asia
[Arrian, I, 16, 10]
PHILIP V, KING OF MACEDON
For on many occasions when I and the other Greeks sent embassies to you begging you to remove from your statutes the law empowering you to get booty from booty, you replied that you would rather remove Aetolia from Aetolia than that law
[Polyvius, 18.4.8]
TREATY BETWEEN HANNIBAL AND PHILIP V OF MACEDON
In the presence of Zeus, Hera, and Apollo: in the presence of the Genius of Carthage, of Heracles, and Iolaus: in the presence of Ares, Triton, and Poseidon: in the presence of the gods who battle for us and the Sun, Moon, and Earth; in the presence of Rivers, Lakes, and Waters: 3 in the presence of all the gods who possess Macedonia and the REST of Greece: in the presence of all the gods of the army who preside over this oath. 4 Thus saith Hannibal the general, and all the Carthaginian senators with him, and all Carthaginians serving with him, that as seemeth good to you and to us, so should we bind ourselves by oath to be even as friends, kinsmen, and brothers, on these conditions. 5 (1) That King Philip and the Macedonians and the REST of the Greeks who are their allies shall protect the Carthaginians, the supreme lords, and Hannibal their general, and those with p423him, and all under the dominion of Carthage who live under the same laws; likewise the people of Utica and all cities and peoples that are subject to Carthage, and our soldiers and allies 6 and cities and peoples in Italy, Gaul, and Liguria, with whom we are in alliance or with whomsoever in this country we may hereafter enter into alliance. 7 (2) King Philip and the Macedonians and such of the Greeks as are the allies shall be protected and guarded by the Carthaginians who are serving with us, by the people of Utica and by all cities and peoples that are subject to Carthage, by our allies and soldiers and all peoples and cities in Italy, Gaul, and Liguria, who are our allies, and by such others as may hereafter become our allies in Italy and the adjacent regions. 8 (3) We will enter into no plot against each other, nor lie in ambush for each other, but with all zeal and good fellowship, without deceit or secret design, we will be enemies of such as war against the Carthaginians, always excepting the kings, cities, and ports with which we have sworn treaties of alliance. 9 (4) And we, too, will be the enemies of such as war against King Philip, always excepting the Greeks, cities, and people with which we have sworn treaties of alliance. 10 (5) You will be our allies in the war in which we are engaged with the Romans until the gods vouchsafe the victory to us and to you, and you will give us 11 such help as we have need of or as we agree upon. 12 (6) As soon as the gods have given us the victory in the war against the Romans and their allies, if the Romans ask us to come to p425terms of peace, we will make such a peace as will comprise you too, 12 and on the following conditions: that the Romans may never make war upon you; that the Romans shall no longer be masters of Corcyra, Apollonia, Epidamnus, Pharos, Dimale, Parthini, or Atitania: 14 and that they shall return to Demetrius of Pharos all his friends who are in the dominions of Rome. 15 (7) If ever the Romans make war on you or on us, we will help each other in the war as may be required on either side. 16 (8) In like manner if any others do so, excepting always kings, cities, and peoples with whom we have sworn treaties of alliance. 17 (9) If we decide to withdraw any clauses from this treaty or to add any we will withdraw such clauses or add them as we both may agree
The Histories of Polybius, VII, 9, 4 (Loeb, W. R. Paton)
Now that these descendants of Perdiccas are Greeks, as THEY THEMSELVES SAY, I myself chance to know
Herodotus V, 22, 1 (Loeb, A.D. Godley)
OTHER MACEDONIANS:
Speech of the Macedonian ambassador to the Aitolians:
The Aitolians, the Akarnanians, the Macedonians, men of the SAME speech, are united or disunited by trivial causes that arise from time to time; with aliens, with barbarians, all Greeks wage and will wage eternal war; for they are enemies by the will of nature, which is eternal, and not from reasons that change from day to day.
Titus Livius, From the Foundation of the City 31
There a man appeared to them, wearing a Greek cloak, and dressed otherwise in the Greek fashion, and speaking Greek also. Those [Macedonians] who first sighted him said that they burst into tears, so strange did it seem after all these miseries to see a Greek, and to hear Greek spoken. They asked whence he came, who he was; and he said that he had become separated from Alexander's camp, and that the camp, and Alexander himself, were not very far distant. Shouting aloud and clapping their hands they brought this man to Nearchus...
Arrian, "The Indica" XXXIII
Around 143/142 BC, Damon the Macedonian, son of Nicanor, from the city of Thessalonica, paid with his own money and erected a statue of copper in Olympia, honouring Q.Caecilius Metellus. In the statue's inscription it is written as motives of this honouring the virtue of the honoured and the sympathetic actions of Quintus Metellus to "Macedonians and the rest of Greeks". What is more interesting is that the statue was erected from Damon the Macedonian in Olympia, the most important Hellenic centre of that era and it reveals Macedonians saw themselves as Greeks.
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/692/macedonianartifact11er9.jpg
CONCLUSION:
Despite the pitiful attempts of Gandeto aka Grezlovski to distort well-known historical facts, the available evidence shows that ancient Macedonians considered themselves to be Greek and certainly totally unrelated to the inhabitants of FYROM.