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zefs
03-13-2007, 09:53 PM
Iranians outraged over hit movie ‘300’
Blockbuster depicting Persian siege called an ‘obvious insult’
Updated: 6:27 p.m. ET March 13, 2007
TEHRAN, Iran - The hit American movie “300” has angered Iranians who say the Greeks-vs-Persians action flick insults their ancient culture and provokes animosity against Iran.

“Hollywood declares war on Iranians,” blared a headline in Tuesday’s edition of the independent Ayende-No newspaper.

The movie, which raked in $70 million in its opening weekend, is based on a comic-book fantasy version of the battle of Thermopylae in 480 B.C., in which a force of 300 Spartans held off a massive Persian army at a mountain pass in Greece for three days.

Even some American reviewers noted the political overtones of the West-against-Iran story line — and the way Persians are depicted as decadent, sexually flamboyant and evil in contrast to the noble Greeks.

In Iran, the movie hasn’t opened and probably never will, given the government’s restrictions on Western films, though one paper said bootleg DVDs were already available.

Still, it touched a sensitive nerve. Javad Shamghadri, cultural adviser to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said the United States tries to “humiliate” Iran in order to reverse historical reality and “compensate for its wrongdoings in order to provoke American soldiers and warmongers” against Iran.

The movie comes at a time of increased tensions between the United States and Iran over the Persian nation’s nuclear program and the Iraq war.

But aside from politics, the film was seen as an attack on Persian history, a source of pride for Iranians across the political spectrum, including critics of the current Islamic regime.

State-run television has run several commentaries the past two days calling the film insulting and has brought on Iranian film directors to point out its historical inaccuracies.

“The film depicts Iranians as demons, without culture, feeling or humanity, who think of nothing except attacking other nations and killing people,” Ayende-No said in its article Tuesday.

“It is a new effort to slander the Iranian people and civilization before world public opinion at a time of increasing American threats against Iran,” it said.

Iran’s biggest circulation newspaper, Hamshahri, said “300” is “serving the policy of the U.S. leadership” and predicted it will “prompt a wave of protest in the world. ... Iranians living in the U.S. and Europe will not be indifferent about this obvious insult.”

Lakonian
03-13-2007, 10:46 PM
Tell them to get F@cked

pankration
03-14-2007, 12:23 AM
Today one of my students, a proud Iranian, was being a pain in the ass. So I turned to him and said, "Smarten up or I'll do to you what the Spartans did to your ancestors!" At that point the rest of the class broke out laughing and in unison said to him, "300 Mr. Katsionises almost beat a million of you!" This is a really nice kid but he got his history handed to him today.

Kipros_Elliniki
05-01-2007, 05:41 AM
Can I dare ask what the heck Iranians have to do with Persians? :D

(I'm just being ironic here, as I don't believe that these Iranians are their descendants)

Euklid
05-01-2007, 07:27 AM
The Iranians ethnically are very much Persians.

Tsontos
05-01-2007, 08:11 AM
Can I dare ask what the heck Iranians have to do with Persians? :D

(I'm just being ironic here, as I don't believe that these Iranians are their descendants)

???

If Iranians arent the descendents of the ancient persians then Greeks arent the descendents of the ancient Greeks! Iranians speak a language directly descended from ancient Persian and have much cultural and probably genetic continuity as well! The only thing substantial thats has no continuity is the script which is arabic

Lakonian
05-01-2007, 10:50 AM
???

If Iranians arent the descendents of the ancient persians then Greeks arent the descendents of the ancient Greeks! Iranians speak a language directly descended from ancient Persian and have much cultural and probably genetic continuity as well! The only thing substantial thats has no continuity is the script which is arabic

Geaographically Persia can be known to be half of the world back then, genetically Iranians are not completely Persians, Persia was an Empire, made up of many races, mainly asian. Persia as indenity no longer exists. The inter mixing of the middle east would make it very difficult to determine if they are direct descendents of Persians.

Greeks on the other hand have been passing there genetics more than any other race in the world, heck 300 years of slavery from the Turks couldnt do anything to our genetics, i guess they never bothered.

If i was to pick a genetic linkage of teh Persiasn i would say the KURDS are.

Tsontos
05-01-2007, 09:12 PM
Its not hard to see who are the descendents of the Persians. Its the people who call themselves Persians today and never stopped referring to themselves as such. Iranian is the broader name of the language family which the Islamic revolutionaries chose to use.

Persia as indenity no longer exists

Persians speak Pharsi, just ask one of them. Kurds are also Iranic but their language is much further removed from Persian than the standard language of Iran: Persian language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_language)

Greeks are far from pure genetically like the Persians yet both have a genetic continuity with their ancestors.

Lakonian
05-01-2007, 10:09 PM
"Greeks are far from pure genetically like the Persians yet both have a genetic continuity with their ancestors"


No one has carried this sort of test out so your conclusion is not valid Voulga.

Conclusions can only based on customs which cultures still practice after all that time.This is how we identify ourselves these days.

I simply based my one on the fact that Alexander spread Hellas across Persia and most Asian regions, our echoes are still there, Macedonians and other Greeks leaved in Persia for centuries, our genetics overlap theres, our prescence is still felt in those areas, Tripoli, Alexandria....

Pure genetics , perhaps not, but instigators of genetic interweaving was because of us....this every liguist admits as most of the languages including some asian have had a major influence by ours...here again we go the point of culture, genetics is way to complicated to decipher in terms of tracing your blood line. Culuture is the only identity.

Euklid
05-02-2007, 07:06 AM
Persia as indenity no longer exists.

False, it exists the same way the Hellenic identity exists.

The Persians and the Greeks share many common traits in their arguments.

If you consider the Persians vanished, then sincerely be prepared to consider yourself non-Greek as well.

Lakonian
05-02-2007, 09:18 AM
False, it exists the same way the Hellenic identity exists.

The Persians and the Greeks share many common traits in their arguments.

If you consider the Persians vanished, then sincerely be prepared to consider yourself non-Greek as well.

??????

Euklid
05-02-2007, 11:58 AM
How more clear need i write for you to understand Lakonian?

Ethnically the Persians are ancestors of the Iranians, the same way the Greeks are ancestors of the Modern Greeks. Exactly the same.

When you deny them their ethnic ancestry you immediately deny your own, too.