Evidence of Slavic Migration Hundreds of Years AD...ie after Alexander.

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Evidence of Slavic (Skopjian-Bulgarian) Migration centuries after Alexander the Great's Death.
Please post ONLY artifactual, genetic and other factual information here.

I have generated a database of Information for Slavic History and Migration here (http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/macedonia-links/Slavic_Questions_and_Origins/)


(http://www.lib.msu.edu/sowards/balkan/lecture1.html)

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"Study of the early Slavs has always been one of the most important topics in Eastern European historiography. Investigating the origins of the Slavs can be performed by conducting research in the areas of; linguistics, etymology, onomastics, ethnology, archaeology, anthropology, history and folkloristics explains Sedov (1994). Only cooperation between these various disciplines can solve the problem of the origins of the Slavs. Sedov (1994) and Curta (2001) both specifically mention linguistics and archaeology in particular."


The first historical sources about the early Slavs were Roman, Byzantine, Greek, and later Germanic authors. (i.e centuries after Alexander the Great) Some early sources, indeed eyewitnesses, knew about the first Slavs and partially intuited the importance they would have for the known world. These included figures such as the lst century Roman historian Pliny the Elder, who was around at a time when the Roman Empire was at the height of it's power. He was a contemporary to Nero (23 - 79 AD), who was known for his work Natural History, in which he described the early Slavs, the Baltic coast, and the fruitful amber trade to the Mediterranean.


The Slavic Ethnogenesis: (http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/agbdesign/slavic/)
Identifying the Slavic Stock and Origins of the Slavs: (http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/agbdesign/slavic/)

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The Great Slavic Mass-Migrations: In the 1st century (0-100), the early Slavs were still situated around the 'Slavic Cradle', which now had expanded encompassing the Baltic to the Carpathians, as a result of the initial due to the migration from the Pripet Marshes. The Slavic word for glory; 'Slava' is originally a reference to the great and proud ancestral homeland. Indeed epic stories of the great mass-migration away from the Slavic cradle are embedded in the history and cultural heritage of the Slavs.
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/agbdesign/slavic/barb.jpg The great mass migration of the Slavs from the ancient homeland of the 'Slavic Cradle' to the west, east and south of Europe began around the end of the 2nd century AD and continued to the middle of the 7th century AD. The name Proto-Slav can be said for the Slavs before the mass-migrations, and the name Slav for the Slavs after the expansion. The mass migrations of the Slavs were instigated by the movements of other ethnic peoples; namely the Germanic tribes and Asian nomadic barbarians.
Firstly, the migration was to the west, peacefully and quietly, tribe after tribe, occupying districts and regions the Germanic tribes (e.g. Vandals, Visigoths & Ostrogoths) deserted in order to attack the Roman Empire. The waves of nomadic barbarians, originating from central Asia such as the Huns, who arrived in 370 AD, then pushed the Slavs in all directions following their advance. As the Hun empire fell in 453 AD, there was a rush of Slavic migration to the south towards the Black Sea and the mouth of the river Danube. Slavic warbands and groups broke through many defences with weapons in hand, throughout lower Danube in the outer regions of the Byzantine Empire reaching the Balkans. The first known recording of this Slavic mass migration was in the year 493 AD.

Images from the documentary film 'The Slavs' (1984).


http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/agbdesign/slavic/map02.jpg Above map from the book 'The Times Concise Atlas of World History'.

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http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/agbdesign/slavic/chart02.jpg
Red denotes, in no particular placement, various non-Slavic peoples of Indo-European and non Indo-European origin in which gradients have occured with the Slavic stock and ethnographic mass, especially post mass-migration.


i.e FYROMian "Macedonians" appeared from Proto-Slavic Tribes and are ethnically separate from ancient Greek Tribes which emerged from Sparta, Athens, and Macedonia.

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The formation of the various Slavic Languages: The Proto-Slavic language was probably still common to all Slavs possibly as late as the 8th century AD, but by the 9th century AD, with the mass-migrations largely completed, the individual Slavic languages had begun to take place. But by the 9th century all the Slavic peoples could still understand each other well.
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/agbdesign/slavic/maplang.jpg
Map from the website 'Indo-European Languages': http://www.geocities.com/indoeurop/atree.html

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The Slavic Languages:
Proto-Slavic:

http://www.thegreatalexander.com/slavic-languages.GIF
Selected Bibliography & References:
Barraclough, G. (ed) 1982, The Times Concise Atlas of World History, Angus & Robertson Publishers, London.
Curta, F. 2001, The Making of the Slavs: History and Archaeology of the Lower Danube Region c. 500 - 700, Cambridge Univerity Press, Cambridge.
Gasiorowski, P. 2002, Piotr Gasiorowski's Indo-European Page [On-line], Available: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/2190/Indo-European.html [2002, Apr. 8].
Gy, C.K. 2002, Central European Myths of Conquest [On-line], Available: http://www.hhrf.org/minoritiesresearch/mr05.htm [2002, Mar. 11].
Lukowski, J., Zawadzki, H. 2001, A Concise History of Poland, Cambridge Univerity Press, Cambridge.
Pogonowski, I.C. 2000, Poland: An Illustrated History, Hippocrene Books, New York.
Siuchninski, M. 1979, An Illustrated History of Poland, Interpress, Warsaw.
Szczytna, L. 2002, Notes on Polish History [On-line], Available: http://slavic.freeservers.com/Poland1.html [2002, Sep. 27].
Larousse Encyclopedia of Mythology 1959, Paul Hamlyn Limited, London.
The Slavs (video recording) 1984, ITC Entertainment, Directed by Folco Quilici.
2001, Early History of the Slavs [On-line], Available: http://www.campuslife.utoronto.ca/groups/csa/croatia/history/slavs.html [2001, Aug. 29].
2002, Indo-European Languages [On-line], Available: http://www.geocities.com/indoeurop/atree.html [2002, Apr. 4].


Information and Pictures from:
Slavic Migrations and the Origin of the Slavs (http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/agbdesign/slavic/)

[admin]

Obviously:

1) they were not in the region of Ancient Macedonia

2) there has not been ANY artifacts found with Slavic inscriptions dating from ancient Macedonia, only Hellenic inscriptions

3) IF they were living there at the time of Alexander (no evidence to prove this but lets suppose), why and how did they COMPLETELY alter their original language and why didnt they retain even 1 word?

[HellenicPride]

Excellent thread! Good job !That just goes to prove again that Macedonia is Greek.:worshippy

[admin]

Updated Website!! (sorry I posted wrong link before)

Slavic Ethnogenesis, ie Skopjian FYROM History :read::clapping: (http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/agbdesign/slavic/)

[struja]

Updated Website!! (sorry I posted wrong link before)

Slavic Ethnogenesis, ie Skopjian FYROM History :read::clapping: (http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/agbdesign/slavic/)

Nice work admin,:clap2:

The totally absurd thesis of the so called ‘late arrival’ of the Slavs in Europe must be replaced by the scenario of Slavic continuity from Paleolithic, and the demographic growth and geographic expansion of the Slavs can be explained, much more realistically, by the extraordinary success, continuity and stability of the Neolithic cultures of South-Eastern Europe (the only ones in Europe that caused the formation of tells) (Alinei 2000, fc.b)

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"The totally absurd thesis of the so called ‘late arrival’ of the Slavs in Europe must be replaced by the scenario of Slavic continuity from Paleolithic, and the demographic growth and geographic expansion of the Slavs can be explained, much more realistically, by the extraordinary success, continuity and stability of the Neolithic cultures of South-Eastern Europe (the only ones in Europe that caused the formation of tells) (Alinei 2000, fc.b)"

1) where are you getting these quotes?
2) they don't help your cause at all.

[Ptolemy]

"Oxford Dictionary of Byzantium," s.v. "Slavs," vol.3, pp.1917-19.

"There is NO archaeological evidence for Slavic penetration of imperial
territory before the end of the 6th century [i.e. 602]...
Traces of Slavic culture in Greece are rare...
The polity created in Moesia ca.680 by the Bulgars of Asparuch
appeared... stable. ...Now Thessalonike and its environs, rather than
the Danube, was the frontier and focus of Slavo-Byzantine relations.
...Two types of Slavs appear soon after 800: mobile military colonists
who were ready to settle as allies... within the Byzantine empire,
especially in Peloponnesos (...), in Asia Minor (...), and in Italy;
and the former Avar military elite and their retainers who were eager
to settle and establish their power... under Frankish or Byzantine
sovereignty, for example in Pannonia and Moravia.
...Though originally a failure in Moravia where it was introduced,
Slavic laid down stronger roots in Bulgaria, whence it expanded to
Kievan Rus' and Serbia...
[B] The role of the Slavs in Byzantium has, however, been exaggerated by some Russian and Soviet scholars..."

[Tsontos]

Balkan history - 6th century map (http://www.eliznik.org.uk/EastEurope/History/balkans-map/6-ad.htm)

[Teukros]

''The totally absurd thesis of the so called ‘late arrival’ of the Slavs in Europe must be replaced by the scenario of Slavic continuity from Paleolithic, and the demographic growth and geographic expansion of the Slavs can be explained, much more realistically, by the extraordinary success, continuity and stability of the Neolithic cultures of South-Eastern Europe (the only ones in Europe that caused the formation of tells) (Alinei 2000, fc.b)''

Can anyone tell me which historician rejects the already proved theory of the Slavic migration in the Balkans the 6th century A.D.?

[Vasiliye]

None.Alinei and his buddies are just a bunch of charlatans, with their silly Paleolithic Continuity Theory.