Lakonian
02-26-2007, 08:34 PM
Hi guys,
i chose this title of the thread because im a strong believer that our ancestors did dwell well north and as far as modern Britain, if the Romans did, then the Greeks most definitely did before them.
The structure is very highly regarded as being an astronomical absorvetory, and with this in mind, we can already feel confident that it has Greek roots, because although astronomy was studied in various places around the world, none other civilistaion advanced as far as Greeks where around the european area, not before 3000B.C anyway.(evidence of mathimatical progress was weel ancient in Greece, ancient vases with highly advanced geometric drawings, the phaistos wheel, carvings etc.) Not too manetion the paleolithic evidence we have in Greece is overwhelming but thats for another topic....
But before i just throw words in the air il try and back it up with my research and some good sources.
Stonehenge represents a feat of exceptional engineering by civilized people. One estimate is that the construction of original structure required an overwhelming 1,497,680 man- days of physical labor, including logistics and planning.
Estimated dates of for the construction of the three stages range from 3500 to 1100 BC. Professor R.J.C. Atkinson, in 1956, approximated the dates of the stages as follows:
Stonehenge I .....1900 - 1700 BC
Stonehenge II .....1700 - 1600 BC
Stonehenge III .....1500 - 1400 BC
The lintels of the sarsen circle were joined together with such accuracy that it is hardly believable that it was accomplished with the naked eye alone without instruments. The lintels, themselves, had to be raised 20 feet before being placed on the uprights to which they were secured by pre-cut tenon and mortice joints.
Practically speaking such craftsmanship did not coincide with the people living within the area at that time. The inhabitants in Britain around 2000 BC were neolithic, uncivilized farmers living within small village communities. They neither knew how to use metals nor how to read or write.
The henges were built of a very high mathimatical degree, so the theory of the Romans building the henge has been (not suprisingly) very supported by the anglosaxons.
But theres just one problem here lads, if we look at history we can clearly see that Romans never invaded Britain until around 55 B.C, so right there we can throw that theory out the window because it just doesnt fit the timeline of when the stonehenges where actualy built.The fact that the Romans first came to the British Isles when Julius Caesar led an expedition in 55 BC negates the theories of Inigo Jones and others that Stonehenge was built as a Roman temple.
Another theory the first of many of these assumptions is that these builders were imported people from Egypt. However, the primary objection to this is the age of the oldest megaliths, approximately 4000 BC -- several centuries before the First Egyptian Dynasty and over 1000 years before the first pyramids
The Anglos also jump up and down and say that the Druids or "Galatai" as they were called by Greeks, were the fathers of the structure, here again we can crush the theory, because the Druids never rose until around 300 BC (correct me if im wrong), and again, they had no advanced knowledge in any area, the loved nature though....yeah.Galatia was named for the immigrant Gauls from Thrace, who became its ruling caste in the 3rd century BC. It has been called the "Gallia" of the East, Roman writers calling its inhabitants Galli. They were an intermixture of Gauls and Greeks, and hence Francis Bacon and other Renaissance writers called them "Gallo-Graeci," and the country "Gallo-Graecia
But one theory, which is a more confident suggestion would seem to be the builders of Stonehenge, and possibly the other megaliths as well, came from the kingdom of Atlantis before it sunk into the sea. Evidence of this possibility comes from the quotes of Plato in the "Kritias", a report allegedly from Egyptian archives, that mentions men who lived on the sea "called the Atlantic." Their kings ruled "many islands situated there" and later extended their rule over "those within the Pillars of Hercules up to Egypt and Tyrrhenia."
I wont go into great detail but for those who havent read Plato(Kritias), please do, and see strong evidence of the Atlantian people existing.
Almost everyone agrees Plato was not merely telling a story, but was describing actual known facts, in his description of Atlantis, and in the "Kritias" where he says the capital of these ruling kings was Atlantis.
In his description of Atlantis Plato described it as a perfectly designed, symmetrical city. If the builders of Stonehenge had migrated from Atlantis, then they would have possessed the technical skills to construct the megalith as it is described. If they came directly from Atlantis, then that city could have been their central distribution point. And then moved south down into modern Greece. This theory realy supports also other ancient Greeks claims that the most ancient parts are the northern, but then again there must have been dwellers in mainland Greece as we have suuportive theories of that aswell.
The final nail in my claim is the glyphs, and the healing perpuses the actual evidence that our ancestors had in there wrirings.There is also clear evidence that people of the bronze age had come into contact with the henges, and right there our, my confidence, rests with the actual pictures that were carved in the stone:
1.The Cretan Peleki
2.The sun symbol(Apolonas)
In some text we have evidence that In the case of the Stonehenge,that there presiding deity was a prehistoric equivalent of the Greek god of healing, Apollo. Although his main sanctuary was at Delphi in Greece, it is widely believed that he left Greece in the winter months to reside in the land of the Hyperboreans – usually taken to be Britain.
Source:Alone among the Twelve Olympians, Apollo was venerated among the Hyperboreans: he spent his winter amongst them.[1] For their part the Hyperboreans sent mysterious gifts, packed in straw that came first to Dodona and then were passed from people to people until they came to Apollo's temple on Delos (Pausanias). Abaris, Hyperborean priest of Apollo, was a legendary wandering healer and seer. Theseus and Perseus also visited the Hyperboreans.
Along with Thule, Hyperborea was one of several terrae incognitae to the Greeks , where Pliny and Herodotus, as well as Virgil and Cicero, reported that people lived to the age of one thousand and enjoyed lives of complete happiness. According to Herodotus (4.13) the Hyperboreans lived beyond the Arimaspians and were visited by Aristeas, who is said to have written a hexameter poem (now lost) dealing with them. Hesiod mentioned the Hyperboreans, Herodotus reported, "and Homer also in the Epigoni, if that be really a work of his". Also, the sun was supposed to rise and set only once a year in Hyperborea. Large quantities of gold were here, guarded by griffins.
Maps based on reference points and descriptions description given by Strabo ,Hyperborea, shown variously as a peninsula or island, is located beyond France and has a greater latitudinal than longitudinal extent.
Source 2:In Greek mythology, according to tradition, the Hyperboreans were a mythical people who lived far to the north of Thrace. Their land, called Hyperborea, or Hyperboria ("beyond the Boreas (north wind)"), was perfect, with the Sun shining twenty-four hours a day.
Never the Muse is absent
from their ways: lyres clash and flutes cry
and everywhere maiden choruses whirling.
Neither disease nor bitter old age is mixed
in their sacred blood; far from labor and battle they live.
(Pindar, Tenth Pythian Ode, Richmond Lattimore, translator).
Reaching such exotic lands is never easy:
Never on land or by sea will you find
the marvelous road to the feast of the Hyperborea.
I stll have much more to research to piece the puzzle together, but i can surely see the picture.....Greeks have the most historic and mystic lives. One day, we may even supprise ourselves with the things we have accomplished, and wash away the racist attacks our mother land has suffered. And then maybe, just maybe, we might even win the respect of our neighbours..wink.
Guys please feel free to correct anything i have posted, your help with this will be much appreciated...My sources were mainly Greek text books, i dont know if any of you followed the t.v show on ANT1 with Adonis Georgiades?
If not, i think its too late, they have burned his bookstore in Greece for the eighth time, but he still has his website up! Its the best source you will find!More info on him on below links.
georgiadesbooks . com
wikipedia .org/wiki /Adonis _Georgiades] Adonis Georgiades
i chose this title of the thread because im a strong believer that our ancestors did dwell well north and as far as modern Britain, if the Romans did, then the Greeks most definitely did before them.
The structure is very highly regarded as being an astronomical absorvetory, and with this in mind, we can already feel confident that it has Greek roots, because although astronomy was studied in various places around the world, none other civilistaion advanced as far as Greeks where around the european area, not before 3000B.C anyway.(evidence of mathimatical progress was weel ancient in Greece, ancient vases with highly advanced geometric drawings, the phaistos wheel, carvings etc.) Not too manetion the paleolithic evidence we have in Greece is overwhelming but thats for another topic....
But before i just throw words in the air il try and back it up with my research and some good sources.
Stonehenge represents a feat of exceptional engineering by civilized people. One estimate is that the construction of original structure required an overwhelming 1,497,680 man- days of physical labor, including logistics and planning.
Estimated dates of for the construction of the three stages range from 3500 to 1100 BC. Professor R.J.C. Atkinson, in 1956, approximated the dates of the stages as follows:
Stonehenge I .....1900 - 1700 BC
Stonehenge II .....1700 - 1600 BC
Stonehenge III .....1500 - 1400 BC
The lintels of the sarsen circle were joined together with such accuracy that it is hardly believable that it was accomplished with the naked eye alone without instruments. The lintels, themselves, had to be raised 20 feet before being placed on the uprights to which they were secured by pre-cut tenon and mortice joints.
Practically speaking such craftsmanship did not coincide with the people living within the area at that time. The inhabitants in Britain around 2000 BC were neolithic, uncivilized farmers living within small village communities. They neither knew how to use metals nor how to read or write.
The henges were built of a very high mathimatical degree, so the theory of the Romans building the henge has been (not suprisingly) very supported by the anglosaxons.
But theres just one problem here lads, if we look at history we can clearly see that Romans never invaded Britain until around 55 B.C, so right there we can throw that theory out the window because it just doesnt fit the timeline of when the stonehenges where actualy built.The fact that the Romans first came to the British Isles when Julius Caesar led an expedition in 55 BC negates the theories of Inigo Jones and others that Stonehenge was built as a Roman temple.
Another theory the first of many of these assumptions is that these builders were imported people from Egypt. However, the primary objection to this is the age of the oldest megaliths, approximately 4000 BC -- several centuries before the First Egyptian Dynasty and over 1000 years before the first pyramids
The Anglos also jump up and down and say that the Druids or "Galatai" as they were called by Greeks, were the fathers of the structure, here again we can crush the theory, because the Druids never rose until around 300 BC (correct me if im wrong), and again, they had no advanced knowledge in any area, the loved nature though....yeah.Galatia was named for the immigrant Gauls from Thrace, who became its ruling caste in the 3rd century BC. It has been called the "Gallia" of the East, Roman writers calling its inhabitants Galli. They were an intermixture of Gauls and Greeks, and hence Francis Bacon and other Renaissance writers called them "Gallo-Graeci," and the country "Gallo-Graecia
But one theory, which is a more confident suggestion would seem to be the builders of Stonehenge, and possibly the other megaliths as well, came from the kingdom of Atlantis before it sunk into the sea. Evidence of this possibility comes from the quotes of Plato in the "Kritias", a report allegedly from Egyptian archives, that mentions men who lived on the sea "called the Atlantic." Their kings ruled "many islands situated there" and later extended their rule over "those within the Pillars of Hercules up to Egypt and Tyrrhenia."
I wont go into great detail but for those who havent read Plato(Kritias), please do, and see strong evidence of the Atlantian people existing.
Almost everyone agrees Plato was not merely telling a story, but was describing actual known facts, in his description of Atlantis, and in the "Kritias" where he says the capital of these ruling kings was Atlantis.
In his description of Atlantis Plato described it as a perfectly designed, symmetrical city. If the builders of Stonehenge had migrated from Atlantis, then they would have possessed the technical skills to construct the megalith as it is described. If they came directly from Atlantis, then that city could have been their central distribution point. And then moved south down into modern Greece. This theory realy supports also other ancient Greeks claims that the most ancient parts are the northern, but then again there must have been dwellers in mainland Greece as we have suuportive theories of that aswell.
The final nail in my claim is the glyphs, and the healing perpuses the actual evidence that our ancestors had in there wrirings.There is also clear evidence that people of the bronze age had come into contact with the henges, and right there our, my confidence, rests with the actual pictures that were carved in the stone:
1.The Cretan Peleki
2.The sun symbol(Apolonas)
In some text we have evidence that In the case of the Stonehenge,that there presiding deity was a prehistoric equivalent of the Greek god of healing, Apollo. Although his main sanctuary was at Delphi in Greece, it is widely believed that he left Greece in the winter months to reside in the land of the Hyperboreans – usually taken to be Britain.
Source:Alone among the Twelve Olympians, Apollo was venerated among the Hyperboreans: he spent his winter amongst them.[1] For their part the Hyperboreans sent mysterious gifts, packed in straw that came first to Dodona and then were passed from people to people until they came to Apollo's temple on Delos (Pausanias). Abaris, Hyperborean priest of Apollo, was a legendary wandering healer and seer. Theseus and Perseus also visited the Hyperboreans.
Along with Thule, Hyperborea was one of several terrae incognitae to the Greeks , where Pliny and Herodotus, as well as Virgil and Cicero, reported that people lived to the age of one thousand and enjoyed lives of complete happiness. According to Herodotus (4.13) the Hyperboreans lived beyond the Arimaspians and were visited by Aristeas, who is said to have written a hexameter poem (now lost) dealing with them. Hesiod mentioned the Hyperboreans, Herodotus reported, "and Homer also in the Epigoni, if that be really a work of his". Also, the sun was supposed to rise and set only once a year in Hyperborea. Large quantities of gold were here, guarded by griffins.
Maps based on reference points and descriptions description given by Strabo ,Hyperborea, shown variously as a peninsula or island, is located beyond France and has a greater latitudinal than longitudinal extent.
Source 2:In Greek mythology, according to tradition, the Hyperboreans were a mythical people who lived far to the north of Thrace. Their land, called Hyperborea, or Hyperboria ("beyond the Boreas (north wind)"), was perfect, with the Sun shining twenty-four hours a day.
Never the Muse is absent
from their ways: lyres clash and flutes cry
and everywhere maiden choruses whirling.
Neither disease nor bitter old age is mixed
in their sacred blood; far from labor and battle they live.
(Pindar, Tenth Pythian Ode, Richmond Lattimore, translator).
Reaching such exotic lands is never easy:
Never on land or by sea will you find
the marvelous road to the feast of the Hyperborea.
I stll have much more to research to piece the puzzle together, but i can surely see the picture.....Greeks have the most historic and mystic lives. One day, we may even supprise ourselves with the things we have accomplished, and wash away the racist attacks our mother land has suffered. And then maybe, just maybe, we might even win the respect of our neighbours..wink.
Guys please feel free to correct anything i have posted, your help with this will be much appreciated...My sources were mainly Greek text books, i dont know if any of you followed the t.v show on ANT1 with Adonis Georgiades?
If not, i think its too late, they have burned his bookstore in Greece for the eighth time, but he still has his website up! Its the best source you will find!More info on him on below links.
georgiadesbooks . com
wikipedia .org/wiki /Adonis _Georgiades] Adonis Georgiades