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Ptolemy
02-25-2007, 05:07 PM
i noticed today Illyria in one of his posts, mentioned as 'source' Edwin E. Jacques. Since many nationalist Albanians seem to consider him as a somewhat valid source only based to the fact that he is a non-Albanian source, i thought to make clear a few points about him.

Unfortunately for Albanians, Edwin E. Jacques, isnt taken as a valid source inside historical community for the simple reason he...is not a historian but rather a pro-Albanian revisionist, a Reverend, whose his allegations are rated between semi-intelligent to...fatuous at rare cases.

His bio from an Albanian site (http://www.frosina.org/articles/default.asp?id=87):

The Reverend Edwin Everett Jacques had attended the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, graduated from Gordon College and Divinity School, and was awarded a Master of Arts Degree from Boston University. He also received an Honorary Doctor of Divinity Degree from Denver Theological Seminary. A former Missionary to Albania and Italy, he pastored churches in East Concord, Groton, and Fitchburg, Massachusetts. Prior to his retirement, he served the Conservative Baptist Foreign Mission Society for nearly 20 years, and, as its foreign secretary, travelled extensively in Europe and Asia. He is survived by his wife of 66 years, Dorothy, two sons, Edwin M. Jacques of Milton, Delaware, and Stanton E. Jacques of Concord, Massachusetts, a daughter Gloria Seidenberg of Epsom, New Hampshire, 13 grandchildren, and 13 great grandchildren.

Sorry to break the news to you homeboys but nowhere Jacques is mentioned either as Historian, or having anything to do with history.

Lets have a look at this guy's 'gems'.

In his book "The Albanians: An Ethnic History from Prehistoric Times to the Present" , page 91


On another occasion when Alexander sent a Greek general, Philotas, to be tried before a military court he asked Philotas to speak in Macedonian so that his judges who were Macedonians might understand him. But the general refused, saying" i shall speak in Greek, because i want to be understood by my own countrymen"

This quote is a typical proof the late Edwin Everett Jacques is totally unrelated to ancient history. Its the first time someone claims Philotas and Alexander were of different..ethnicities. He beats even Fyromian pseudo-historian to that.

In another quote the mighty revisionist and current idol of Albanian nationalists around the globe, writes:

Apparently most of the leadership and most of the soldiery involved in this Asian expedition were Pelasgian of Albanian; certainly they were Macedonians, not Greeks

In another spasmodic seizure he adds..

Stepping asshore in Asia he erected altars to the lord of the pelasgians, to the goddess Athena and to Heracles the pelasgian hero whom he claimed as ancestor of his father's side[quote]

Lets take a look about his gems on Epirus ancient history.

[quote]Pyrrhus was traditionally associated with Butrint, but shortly thereafter Yanina became the capital of his kingdom.

Unfortunately Yannina was founded...in the 6th century by the Byzantine emperor Justinian I so Jacques wet dreams are completely out of hand.

Somewhere else we learn that in Tarantum there were Spartan...princes

Then the merchant princes of Spartan or Pelasgian descent living in Tarentum (Taranto) in southernmost Italy

However his childish 'argumentantion' and the far-fetched assumptions constitutes his entire book as a total waste of money unless...you want to witness the misery, revisionists can reach so that they could make a point.

Some say that it was Admetus' wife, Phthia, who suggested how Themistocles might place her husband under obligation by taking the king's little son in his arms before the hearth and begging protection. The ploy was effective, and in keeping with ancient Albanian customs of hospitality

akritas
02-25-2007, 05:14 PM
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

olvios
02-25-2007, 05:20 PM
He has exhibits albanian level intellect:laugh: :clap2:

Orphic_Hymn
03-06-2007, 10:44 AM
Serious scholars claim Albanian ethnicity for the poet Homer, the philosopher Aristotle and Hippocrates.........

and Edwin E. Jacques is considered one of them :lol: :lol:

olvios
11-24-2007, 07:25 AM
On the Albanian Claim that they have Illyrian names today

They were added during the communist era and thats why they are unacceptable by historians.

On the Albanian Claim that they have Illyrian names today

ISBN 960-210-279-9 Miranda Vickers, The Albanians Chapter 9. "Albania Isolates itself" page 256 In page 271 it is stated

From time to time the state gave out lists with pagan ,supposed Illyrian or newly constructed names that would be proper for the new generation of revolutionaries.(see also Also Logoreci "the Albanians" page 157.

TirAlb
11-24-2007, 11:22 AM
So he was a reverend,by the way great book!

Tsontos
11-24-2007, 05:08 PM
So he was a reverend,by the way great book!

since you've read it, you're in a position to argue with Ptolemy's points about it!

Truth Bearer
11-24-2007, 10:03 PM
Yeah TirAlb can you dispute Ptolemie's quotes??I mean you do claim a great read don't you?

TirAlb
11-25-2007, 03:26 AM
Yeah TirAlb can you dispute Ptolemie's quotes??I mean you do claim a great read don't you?

I just gave my opinion about the book,and i really liked it!But i can't discuss about smth i borrowed and readed about 4years ago.

olvios
01-03-2008, 06:43 PM
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu._Ycn1HsmcBHuhXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE4dW8xNXU 3BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA0Y3NTVfOTAEb ANXUzE-/SIG=124tgu5tk/EXP=1199490136/**http%3a//www.elsie.de/pdf/reviews/R1995Jacques.pdf

This is what Esliehttp://www.elsie.de/ thinks of Edwin

olvios
01-03-2008, 06:44 PM
Edwin E. Jacques

The Reverend Edwin Everett Jacques had attended the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, graduated from Gordon College and Divinity School, and was awarded a Master of Arts Degree from Boston University. He also received an Honorary Doctor of Divinity Degree from Denver Theological Seminary. A former Missionary to Albania and Italy, he pastored churches in East Concord, Groton, and Fitchburg, Massachusetts. Prior to his retirement, he served the Conservative Baptist Foreign Mission Society for nearly 20 years, and, as its foreign secretary, travelled extensively in Europe and Asia. He is survived by his wife of 66 years, Dorothy, two sons, Edwin M. Jacques of Milton, Delaware, and Stanton E. Jacques of Concord, Massachusetts, a daughter Gloria Seidenberg of Epsom, New Hampshire, 13 grandchildren, and 13 great grandchildren.

He wrote a book on Albanian history called "The Albanians: An Ethnic History from Prehistoric Times to the Present" .Nowhere Jacques is mentioned either as Historian, or having anything to do with history.Still he wrote a book on the Albanian history as he imagined it to be.He has become the current idol of Albanian nationalists around the globe.

His book was controversial as he exhibited extreme ignorance of history.In a chapter on Epirus he claims "Pyrrhus was traditionally associated with Butrint, but shortly thereafter Yanina became the capital of his kingdom"[1].Yannina was founded...in the 6th century AD by the Byzantine emperor Justinian I .However his childish 'argumentantion' and the far-fetched assumptions constitutes his entire book as a goldmine for Albanian nationalists inspite of his comical conclusions.

References

1. ^ "The Albanians: An Ethnic History from Prehistoric Times to the Present" , page 79.Pyrrhus was traditionally associated with Butrint, but shortly thereafter Yanina became the capital of his kingdom

Sources

* "The Albanians: An Ethnic History from Prehistoric Times to the Present",by Edwin E. Jacques,ISBN-10: 0899509320