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akritas
02-09-2007, 05:41 AM
The exchange of populations with Turkey involved far greater numbers. The region lost 85,000 Muslims, mostly from the eastern lowland belt: 14,300 left from the district of Florina, 13,600 from the district of Kastoria, 6,700 from the district of Anaselitsa, 5,500 from the district of Grevena, 22,500 from the district of Eordaea, and 22,400 from the district of Kozani. Muslims represented almost a third of the inhabitants (according to the 1920 census figures, 286,000).

In their place came some 73,000 Greek Christians mainly from the Pontus, Asia Minor, Eastern Thrace and the Caucasus. All districts with the exception of Grevena in the southwest lost population, but the arrival of the newcomers, who represented a quarter of the region's inhabitants in 1928 (292,000), further strengthened the dominant Greek-speaking elements.

Almost half the refugees settled in the district of Florina spoke Turkish and little or no Greek. Many Pontians spoke Turkish and the Circasians spoke a h m l of Greek unintelligible to most Creek-speakers, let alone to the Slav Macedonians whom the refugees were expected to Hellenise in speech

The refugees were settled in scores of villages throughout the region, as well as in the towns. They settled in the villages abandoned by the Muslims, but also in villages and towns inhabited by Greek and Slav-speaking Christians, primarily in villages with a strongly or predominantly Slav-speaking element.
Some claims (Kolliopoulos) that the objective was to change the linguistic and cultural composition of the population by planting Greeks, not only near Slav-speaking villages, but actually within them. In my opinion this is not true because we had the same situation in West Macedonia with the Karamanlides, another Greek Turkish-speaking people and we didnt encountered problems.

Indigenous peasants, Greek- and Slav-speaking, resented the distribution of Muslim and communal land to the refugees. Cultural differences between these people and the refugees kept the two communities further apart. And administrators from southern Greece, bearers of an ideology and policy aiming to obliterate linguistic traces other than Greek, put Slav Macedonians ata disadvantage compared to other Greeks and turned the existing gap into a dangerous chasm.

Also Charges by zealous Greek gendarmeries and administrative officials increased as provocative autonomist statements on the Macedonian Question by the Greek communists in the late 1920s increasingly made government officials see seditious motives behind any expression of disagreement over government measures. In December 1929 the district governor of Florina reported that on visiting the Slav Macedonian villages of Ano Hydrousa, Sphika and Karyai he encountered not only resentment against state and communal taxation but also 'anti-state sentiments'. He discerned the same sentiments in the refusal of the inhabitants of five 'indigent' villages of Lake Prespa to cooperate in leasing the taxes on the lake fishery. Mikrolirnni, Agios Achilleios, Bronteron, Kallithea and Pyksos apparently harboured 'anti-state' sentiments. This is the era that the Communism make his appearance in the Macedonian Question


Source
1-Ionannis Koliopoulos,Lehlasia Fronimaton
2-Gounaris,Tautotites sthn Makedonia

akritas
02-11-2007, 03:05 AM
Below is a quote from an article by Iakovos Michaelides (Gounaris,Tautotites sthn Makedonia) with title....Slavophones and Prosfuges)

.He describe clearly that the main cause of the Refugee and Dopioi conflict was the LAND and not any kind of ethnical dispute as cleaveraly some want to present us.

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Please I want the help for the translation of the above quote

Flipper
02-11-2007, 11:44 AM
I didn't know there were so many turks in Kastoria, Kozani and Grevena. I thought they were just few in western macedonia. In my grandfathers village there were only 2 beydes and no turkish inhabitants. Moreover it was said that the beydes got along well with the locals which means that the presence of an army was not needed. At least during the later years.

Titus
02-11-2007, 01:34 PM
I didn't know there were so many turks in Kastoria, Kozani and Grevena. I thought they were just few in western macedonia. In my grandfathers village there were only 2 beydes and no turkish inhabitants. Moreover it was said that the beydes got along well with the locals which means that the presence of an army was not needed. At least during the later years.

I know I shouldn't be quoting Risto Stefov, but he says in Recovering Macedonia: Expiration of the Bucharest Treaty of 1913, Part 16 - The Macedonian Revival VI that

"The Young Turk regime predicted its own demise. To save itself, between 1910 and 1911, it re-settled almost a quarter of a million Turks in Macedonia, hoping to maintain control of Macedonia if it was ejected from Tsari Grad."

akritas
02-11-2007, 02:02 PM
Titus please do not bring charlatans as source in this forum. This guy is a danger first for your people because produce the nationalism and the animosity between you and Greeks. He lives in 40s. And I am ask you....Stefov mention any source for this propagandistic quote ?

Titus
02-11-2007, 02:25 PM
Titus please do not bring charlatans as source in this forum. This guy is a danger first for your people because produce the nationalism and the animosity between you and Greeks. He lives in 40s. And I am ask you....Stefov mention any source for this propagandistic quote ?

Ακρίτα, Έλληνας είμαι. Απλώς τα μόνα κείμενα μου θυμάμαι να έχω διαβάσει που λένε ότι υπήρχε σημαντικός αριθμός Τούρκων στη Μακεδονία ήταν αυτός. Ούτε λέω ότι υποστηρίζω τις απόψεις του, ούτε ζητάω να το κάνετε εσείς. Το λέω επειδή είναι σχετικό ("relevant" πώς το λένε; ), οι απόψεις των Σκοπιανών είναι πάντα σχετικές αφού με αυτούς γίνονται οι διαφωνίες. Οι Σκοπιανοί πιστεύουν ότι δεν υπήρχαν Έλληνες στη Μακεδονία πριν τις ανταλλαγές πληθυσμών και ότι σχεδόν όλος ο μακεδονικός πληθυσμός ήταν «Μακεδόνες». Πρέπει να εξηγήσουν πώς βρέθηκαν μουσουλμάνοι να ανταλλάξει η ελληνική κυβέρνηση με τους Τούρκους αν όλη η Μακεδονία ήταν «Μακεδόνες». Φυσικά θα πει αυτό, τι άλλο θα έλεγε; Δεν μπορεί να πει ότι οι μόνοι μουσουλμάνοι ήταν «Μακεδόνες μουσουλμάνοι».

akritas
02-11-2007, 02:41 PM
To ti lene oi Skopianoi einai diko tous thema kai gia auto eimaste edo mazemenoi (Ellines apo olo ton kosmo) oste na antiparathemetha me epixeirimata kai phges se auta pou lene.Epeidei pame ektos topic kai den thelo na xalaso to nohma autou tou thread (einai shmantiko gia mena) tha ithela na stamatisoume edo.