HRW Report - admitting it from their own sources

[Hellas7]

The blatant hypocrasy of these organizations is open for all to see. All we have to do is find it. I have found many times, if you take the time to read and disect what they say in their books, you can find them in their double talk.

They cannot hide the truth, it must come out at some point.


I was reading through the book, from the well known "Human Rights Watch" activists: Denying Ethnic Identity: The Macedonians Of Greece


It is available online to read in PDF Format here: http://www.hrw.org/reports/pdfs/g/greece/greece945.pdf


http://www.pollitecon.com/html/books/book_covers/denying.gif



This book has been quoted by many Skopjans to "seek the truth". Well, I found it, all be it small, it is there Skopjans. In one small paragraph, they completely contradict everything regarding the history of FYROM, even the paragraphs preceding it.



I have copied the part I am talking about, and will past it here for you to see:



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FROM THEIR OWN PROPAGANDA SOURCES:


"Ethnic Macedonians living in Greek Macedonia, many of whom called themselves "Bulgarians" before that time increasingly began to refer to themselves as "Macedonians".


Now how, with a straight face, can they change history so easily? How can the paragraphs before state this, when by their own admittance the "Macedonian consiousness" IS NOT TRUE?


http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/471/pop1913biggerib6.png



HOW WAS THERE 326,000 MACEDONIANS WHEN THEY JUST SAID THE PEOPLE REFERRED TO THEMSELVES AS BULGARIANS?


More to follow.

[akritas]

Hellas 7 read the below thread that consern Helsinki...is not Greece that has problem with them, but also and others European States.


http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/free-speech-macedonia-forum/975-who-behind-human-rights-watch.html?highlight=Human+Watch


and I will merge your thread with the quoted:)

[Tsontos]

nice stuff Hellas7. Can you copy that into the helsinki thread for reference sake

[Spartan]

Whats even more hilarious is what they say in one line "Ethnic Macedonians living in Greek Macedonia, many of whom called themselves "Bulgarians".

How is it even logical to call a people from an entirely different country who have no connection with the newly created state within yugoslavia by the same name?

That is like calling all British people Americans, just because some British people migrated to the U.S 400 years ago! Completely moronic!

[Hellas7]

I am disecting this article down and finding some great things in them. Albeit small, it is there even though it is easy to miss. These people are propagandists to the full.


Anyway, one common thing we are told is that language/dances are forbidden and even persecuted by police/government.

However, even Helsinki Monitor admits nothing goes on, THEY ONLY write what the Rainbow party themselves claim. They experienced NO SUCH discrimination against dances as seen below:


http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/8200/dancesnotforbiddenlf5.png



NOTE: "However, the mission attended a folk festival in Meliti in July 1993 and found that Macedonian ethnic dancces, as well as dances of other groups, were performed without problems."

NO PROOF.



Goverments response to these claims:

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/1244/dances2bg7.png




CONCLUSION: There is no proof whatsoever that this kind of discrimination occurs. It is only "claims" particularly by the nationalists of the Rainbow party, the same who claimed earlier in this book that there is a 1,000,000 large "Macedonian minority" in Greece!

Who can take their claims seriously???

[Domitius]

I would dearly love to know who their sources were and maybe have a word with them. I also wonder what the relationship of those sources is with the Rainbow Party. Things beginning to fit together, are they? :rolleyes: