The USA does not recognize “a Macedonian language or subnational group�

[Amarantos]

Οι ΗΠΑ δεν αναγνωρίζουν «μακεδονική γλώσσα ή εθνότητα", σύμφωνα με τον αναπληρωτή εκπρόσωπο του Στέιτ Ντιπάρτμεντ Τομ Κέισι.
μολις διαβασα στο Μακεδονικο πρακτορειο.Εχει κανεις ολοκληρο το αρθρο ή περισσοτερες πληροφοριες?
http://web.ana-mpa.gr/balkans/

[Amyntas]

¸÷ù âñåß áõôü åäþ :)

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2006/74784.htm

[Amarantos]

¸÷ù âñåß áõôü åäþ :)

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2006/74784.htm
ωραίος!:thumbsup:

Daily Press Briefing
Tom Casey, Deputy Spokesman
Washington, DC
October 19, 2006

QUESTION: -- what is the position vis-୶is to the name which is difference between Greece and Skopje in the FYROM government the name because it's very important since FYROM has applied to become a NATO member and also a member of the European Union with the support of the U.S. Government?

MR. CASEY: Mr. Lambros, as you know, the decision that the United States made a little while ago with how to refer to Macedonia is a decision that is reflective of U.S. policy. As we've always said, we look to the discussions at the UN between Macedonia and Greece to ultimately work out an agreement between them on the naming issue. That continues to be our policy.

QUESTION: That means also that you recognize also the existence of Macedonia language and ethnicity?

MR. CASEY: Mr. Lambros, it means we recognize Macedonia, the country, by its constitutional name. The United States Government does not recognize languages or other sort of sub-national groups like that as far as I know.

[preston]

:rotflmao: Poliii oreos.............

http://news.ert.gr/10/264189.asp

[preston]

¸÷ù âñåß áõôü åäþ :)

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2006/74784.htm

I loved this part....
QUESTION: Did you hear anything from Macedonia lately?


MR. CASEY: I haven't -- (laughter) -- but as you know and as Mr. Lambros well knows there was in fact a change in how the United States Government referred to Macedonia.


QUESTION: FYROM.


MR. CASEY: Yes, exactly.


QUESTION: In spite of -- (laughter).


MR. CASEY: Only as annotated in certain NATO documents.


QUESTION: Mr. Casey, since you mention that --


MR. CASEY: Actually, Mr. Lambros --


QUESTION: -- what is the position vis-ΰ-vis to the name which is difference between Greece and Skopje in the FYROM government the name because it's very important since FYROM has applied to become a NATO member and also a member of the European Union with the support of the U.S. Government?


MR. CASEY: Mr. Lambros, as you know, the decision that the United States made a little while ago with how to refer to Macedonia is a decision that is reflective of U.S. policy. As we've always said, we look to the discussions at the UN between Macedonia and Greece to ultimately work out an agreement between them on the naming issue. That continues to be our policy.


QUESTION: That means also that you recognize also the existence of Macedonia language and ethnicity?


MR. CASEY: Mr. Lambros, it means we recognize Macedonia, the country, by its constitutional name. The United States Government does not recognize languages or other sort of sub-national groups like that as far as I know.

[preston]

Here is the news item from VOG:
NEWS IN ENGLISH

The USA does not recognize “a Macedonian language or subnational group�


21 Oct 2006 09:12:00




The USA does not recognize the existence of “a Macedonian language or subnational group�, stressed State Department Spokesman Tom Casey in reply to a relevant question. He also reported that the USA looks forward to the signing of a final agreement between Hellas and FYROM (Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia) on the issue of the name within the framework of the UN efforts.

The American official reported that the decision according to which the neighbouring country should be named “Macedonia� reflects the American policy regarding the recognition of that country under its constitutional name. However, he pointed out that “from what I know the American government does not recognize a Macedonian language or other kind of subnational groups such as this one (Macedonian)�.

[Istor]

Kati einai ki'afto!

Alla sxedon tipote!

[Mygdonia]

Αλαξαν τη γνωμη τους---- οχι επειδη ειμαστε τα καλα παιδια και τα ορνια στη Αμερικη αποφασισαν να σικωσουν σχετικο βιβλιο της προκοπης στο θεμα.

Αλαξαν τη γνωμη τους διοτι ο Γκρουεβσκι ειναι μαλακας.

[preston]

Αλαξαν τη γνωμη τους---- οχι επειδη ειμαστε τα καλα παιδια και τα ορνια στη Αμερικη αποφασισαν να σικωσουν σχετικο βιβλιο της προκοπης στο θεμα.

Αλαξαν τη γνωμη τους διοτι ο Γκρουεβσκι ειναι μαλακας.

Ανάλυσε το λιγάκι...με ενδιαφέρει!

[Makedonia25]

The USA does not recognize “a Macedonian language or subnational group�

21 Oct 2006 09:12:00

The USA does not recognize the existence of “a Macedonian language or subnational group�, stressed State Department Spokesman Tom Casey in reply to a relevant question. He also reported that the USA looks forward to the signing of a final agreement between Hellas and F-Y-R-O-M (Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia) on the issue of the name within the framework of the UN efforts.

The American official reported that the decision according to which the neighbouring country should be named “Macedonia� reflects the American policy regarding the recognition of that country under its constitutional name. However, he pointed out that “from what I know the American government does not recognize a Macedonian language or other kind of subnational groups such as this one (Macedonian)�.


Here is the important part from the interview, which can be found on the official U.S. department of State web-site. (http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2006/74784.htm)

QUESTION: Did you hear anything from Macedonia lately?

MR. CASEY: I haven't -- (laughter) -- but as you know and as Mr. Lambros well knows there was in fact a change in how the United States Government referred to Macedonia.

QUESTION: F-Y-R-O-M.

MR. CASEY: Yes, exactly.

QUESTION: In spite of -- (laughter).

MR. CASEY: Only as annotated in certain NATO documents.

QUESTION: Mr. Casey, since you mention that --

MR. CASEY: Actually, Mr. Lambros --

QUESTION: -- what is the position vis-Ã*-vis to the name which is difference between Greece and Skopje in the Macedonia government the name because it's very important since F-Y-R-O-M has applied to become a NATO member and also a member of the European Union with the support of the U.S. Government?

MR. CASEY: Mr. Lambros, as you know, the decision that the United States made a little while ago with how to refer to Macedonia is a decision that is reflective of U.S. policy. As we've always said, we look to the discussions at the UN between Macedonia and Greece to ultimately work out an agreement between them on the naming issue. That continues to be our policy.

QUESTION: That means also that you recognize also the existence of Macedonia language and ethnicity?

MR. CASEY: Mr. Lambros, it means we recognize Macedonia, the country, by its constitutional name. The United States Government does not recognize languages or other sort of sub-national groups like that as far as I know.

Any comments??? :)

[Istor]

It is a political move to usurp the votes of Greeks of USA. Very smart indeed !!

But dear Greeks of USA, do the right thing! Don't forgive those who have brutally and shamefully stolen your votes at Nov of 2004 !!!!!

[Amarantos]

It is a political move to usurp the votes of Greeks of USA. Very smart indeed !!

Bravo Istor!Excellent observation!:)
Πως μας διεφυγε ρε γμτ!

[Istor]

Diadwste to stous Ellines se olo ton kosmo kai thn Ellada, paidia!!

Mavro stous pseftes !!!

[Amarantos]

The explanation of the latest announcement.

Web Exclusive
By Marcus Mabry
Newsweek
Updated: 10:52 a.m. ET Oct. 21, 2006
Oct. 21, 2006 - If the elections for Congress were held today, according to the new NEWSWEEK poll, 60 percent of white Evangelicals would support the Republican candidate in their district, compared to just 31 percent who would back the Democrat. To the uninitiated, that may sound like heartening news for Republicans in the autumn of their discontent. But if you’re a pundit, a pol, or a preacher, you know better. White Evangelicals are a cornerstone of the GOP’s base; in 2004, exit polls found Republicans carried white Evangelicals 3 to 1 over Democrats, winning 74 percent of their votes. In turn, Evangelicals carried the GOP to victory. But with a little more than two weeks before the crucial midterms, the Republican base may be cracking.If something doesn’t give—and quick—Republicans will view 2004 as the good ol’ days. Fifty-five percent of likely voters in the new NEWSWEEK poll say they would vote for the Democrat in their district if the election were held today, versus 37 percent who say they would vote for the Republican. That’s not surprising; the Democrats have been leading in the opinion polls for months. But the new poll suggests—from the leanings of bellwether voting blocs to voters’ priorities—that a possible Republican loss could turn into a rout.
Take white Catholics, swing voters who went for President George W. Bush in the 2004 election. This time 44 percent of them plan to vote Democrat versus 42 percent who plan to vote Republican. Among independents, 44 percent support the Democrat in their district, while 34 percent support the Republican. And voters have more faith in the Democrats to handle almost every major issue presented in the poll, which was conducted on Thursday and Friday nights through phone interviews with 1,000 adults: from Iraq (46 to 34), to the economy (50 to 35), to federal spending (52 to 29), to health care (57 to 24).
But Democrats shouldn’t start measuring for the drapes in the Speaker’s Office just yet. Compared to the NEWSWEEK poll two weeks ago, taken in the aftermath of the Mark Foley Congressional page scandal, the Republicans seem to be closing the issues gap—at least on the issues where they have traditionally enjoyed greater voter trust than the Democrats. The Oct. 5 and 6 poll gave Democrats a lead on moral values (42 to 36), a stunning reversal of every previous poll. While Republicans have not retaken their lead on the issue, they have stopped their slide. In the new poll, 41 percent of Americans say they trust the Democrats more on values and 37 percent said they trusted the GOP more.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15357623/site/newsweek/

[preston]

It is a political move to usurp the votes of Greeks of USA. Very smart indeed !!

But dear Greeks of USA, do the right thing! Don't forgive those who have brutally and shamefully stolen your votes at Nov of 2004 !!!!!

I rcon you are right on the money once more Istor!!!

[Vergian Pride]

It only took time, for the truth to come slapping on the Propagandists' faces.

[Amarantos]

QUESTION: On FYROM. They are laughing of course. It's a matter of laughing-- yes. Anyway, FYROM.


MR. MCCORMACK: FYROM. Oh, yes. FYROM, yes.


QUESTION: We will listen carefully what you're going to say. The Defense Minister of FYROM Lazar Elenovski after his meeting yesterday with the DOD, DOS, and White House officials stated that the U.S. Government in no levels supports the integration of his country with NATO without, however, solving the main dispute with Greece. He said specifically, "I expect no obstruction from Greece to the accession to NATO." Could you please, Mr. McCormack, comment since he's placing the U.S. Government on the spot after those meetings?


MR. MCCORMACK: How is he placing us on the spot?


QUESTION: Because -- okay. In order to facilitate your answer. Okay, what is the U.S. position vis-ΰ-vis to the dispute between the Greece and FYROM on the name?


MR. MCCORMACK: They have to come to common agreement on it. We have made our decision known on how we are going to refer to Macedonia. But Greece and Macedonia need to come to some sort of accommodation or understanding as to what Greece will refer to Macedonia as.


QUESTION: But otherwise if FYROM is going to submit an application to become a member of the European Union or NATO regardless of solving the problems between Greece, are you going as the U.S. Government to support this application using the name FYROM?


MR. MCCORMACK: I think that you can proceed concomitantly on both of those -- on those tracks, resolving -- trying to resolve the name issue between Macedonia and Greece and considering applications to those various bodies. In the case of the EU, we don't have a say in that.


QUESTION: No, I'm saying --


MR. MCCORMACK: We're not a member. But in the case of NATO, then we will talk to Macedonia about their aspirations. We have made it very clear that NATO should have a door open to consideration in expanding its membership. And we're going to continue to talk to Macedonia about what their aspirations are.


QUESTION: Otherwise you're going to support Skopje submitting the application to become a member of NATO using the name FYROM. Correct?


MR. MCCORMACK: That's not what I said. I said that we are going to continue to talk to Macedonia about their aspirations for joining NATO. That is not a process that has played out completely and that we are only one part of that conversation. They have to have that conversation with others. I understand in the case of Greece, that they need to come to some accommodation on this, for those two parties, difficult issue. We understand that it's difficult for them. It's an emotional issue. But they should try to work through the issue. They after all live next door to one another. Neither of them are going to be able to move. So they should work to resolve the issue.


QUESTION: One --


MR. MCCORMACK: We've got to --


QUESTION: One last --


MR. MCCORMACK: We've got to move --


QUESTION: Mr. McCormack --


MR. MCCORMACK: Lambros, Lambros, we're going to move on. Okay? Dave.


Daily Press Briefing -- February 1 (http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2007/79708.htm)


The cards are on the table.

[Amarantos]

Αβαντάρουν και Σκόπια οι ΗΠΑ με διπλή ονομασία


ΟΥΑΣΙΓΚΤΟΝ
Του Δ. Π. ΔΗΜΑ


Η αμερικανική κυβέρνηση μετακινήθηκε, χθες, σαφώς, υπέρ των Σκοπίων, συνταχθείσα κατ' ουσίαν με την πρόταση διπλής ονομασίας, επί της οποίας επιμένει αδιάλλακτα η προς βορράν γειτονική χώρα.


Â«Η Ελλάδα και η Μακεδονία χρειάζεται να καταλήξουν σε κάποιου είδους διευκόλυνση ή κατανόηση για το πώς η Ελλάδα θα αναφέρεται (αποκαλεί) τη Μακεδονία», είπε ο εκπρόσωπος του Στέιτ Ντιπάρτμεντ, εξ αφορμής ερώτησης για τις διεργασίες εισόδου της FYROM στο ΝΑΤΟ, το προσεχές έτος.

Η σχετική διατύπωση είναι επακριβώς αντλημένη από την ούτως ή άλλως αμερικανικής έμπνευσης επιχειρηματολογία της γείτονος που, προβάλλοντας τη διπλή ονομασία, υποδεικνύε τη «Δημοκρατία της Μακεδονίας» για τη διεθνή κοινότητα και μια δεύτερη ονομασία «με την οποία -και οιονδήποτε τρόπο το επιθυμεί- θα την αποκαλεί η Ελλάδα».

Κατά το σκεπτικό της FYROM, οι διαπραγματεύσεις εντοπίζονται μόνο για την ικανοποίηση της Αθήνας στις διμερείς της σχέσεις με τα Σκόπια.

Η νέα αυτή Â«απαράδεκτη παρέμβαση» της Ουάσιγκτον είναι προφανές ότι καθιστά περαιτέρω αδιάλλακτη τη FYROM, της οποίας ο υπουργός Αμυνας έλαβε νεότερες διαβεβαιώσεις, τις μέρες αυτές, στην Ουάσιγκτον, για είσοδο της χώρας του στο ΝΑΤΟ, την άνοιξη του 2008.

Καθιστά, δε, απόλυτα σαφές ότι οι Ηνωμένες Πολιτείες είναι ένας «αναξιόπιστος και απρόβλεπτος εταίρος», που κλονίζει τη σχέση Αθήνας και Ουάσιγκτον, γεγονός που προοιονίζεται «δύσκολες μέρες» τη διανυόμενη χρονιά.

Ο Â«φόβος» είναι πως, κατόπιν οδηγιών της Ουάσιγκτον, θα «κινηθεί» μέχρι την άνοιξη ο μεσολαβητής του ΟΗΕ Μάθιου Νίμιτς, με νέα πρόταση που θ' αντανακλά τη χθεσινή διατύπωση Μακόρμακ, που σημειωτέον ήταν προετοιμασμένη και δεν αποτελούσε αντικείμενο διαλογικής συζήτησης ή πίεσης των ερωτούντων.

Εως πρόσφατα, η Ουάσιγκτον διατύπωνε τις διαπραγματεύσεις Αθηνών και Σκοπίων στο πλαίσιο του ΟΗΕ, ως μια «προσπάθεια ανεύρεσης μιας κοινά αποδεκτής ονομασίας», αλλά με τη δεύτερη αμερικανικής εμπνεύσεως πρόταση Νίμιτς, του περασμένου Μαΐου, που ταυτίστηκε με τα Σκόπια, ήταν προφανές για το πού οδεύουν τα πράγματα.

Εξάλλου, για το ζήτημα του ΝΑΤΟ και όσο παραμένει ανοικτή αυτή η διαμάχη, ο κ. Μακόρμακ παρατήρησε πως τα δύο αυτά ζητήματα «μπορούν να προχωρήσουν συνακόλουθα... προσπαθώντας να επιλυθεί το ζήτημα μεταξύ Μακεδονίας και Ελλάδας και εξετάζοντας τις αιτήσεις για τα διάφορα σήματα» στο ΝΑΤΟ και στην Ε.Ε.

«Στην περίπτωση του ΝΑΤΟ θα μιλήσουμε στη Μακεδονία για τις φιλοδοξίες της (και) έχουμε κάνει ξεκάθαρο ότι το ΝΑΤΟ θα πρέπει να 'χει ανοιχτή πόρτα στη διεύρυνση των μελών του», πρόσθεσε ο εκπρόσωπος.

Σε παρατήρηση κατά πόσο εννοούσε ότι θα υποστηρίξουν την αίτηση των Σκοπίων με την ονομασία FYROM, ο κ. Μακόρμακ είπε ότι:

«Δεν είπα αυτό... είπα ότι πρόκειται να συνεχίσουμε να μιλάμε στη Μακεδονία για τις φιλοδοξίες τους να γίνουν μέλος του ΝΑΤΟ, αυτή είναι μια συνεχιζόμενη διαδικασία, χρειάζεται να 'χουν συνομιλίες και με άλλους».





dpdimas@hotmail.com



ΕΛΕΥΘΕΡΟΤΥΠΙΑ - 02/02/2007

Åëåõèåñïôõðßá - Ã�ðïãåõìáôéÃ*Þ Ã�äÃ�óìåõôç Åöçìåñßäá (http://www.enet.gr/online/online_text/c=110,id=24114780)

[Amarantos]

Ο Ν. Μπερνς εξέφρασε την ελπίδα Αθήνα και Σκόπια να καταλήξουν σε λύση
ΑΠΕ 21:09

Â«Η θέση των ΗΠΑ δεν έχει αλλάξει» σε ό,τι αφορά τις διαπραγματεύσεις Ελλάδας και ΠΓΔΜ για το θέμα του ονόματος, δήλωσε ο Αμερικανός Υφυπουργός Εξωτερικών Νίκολας Μπερνς απαντώντας σε σχετική ερώτηση μετά από συνάντηση της Ομάδας για την Αϊτή.

«Ελπίζουμε πολύ», υπογράμμισε ο τρίτος στην ιεραρχία της αμερικανικής διπλωματίας, «ότι υπό την αιγίδα του πρέσβη Νίμιτς μπορεί να γίνει δυνατό για τις δυο κυβερνήσεις να καταλήξουν σε μια κατάλληλη λύση σε αυτό το πρόβλημα».
ethnos.gr - Ã� Ã�. ÌðåñÃ*ò åîÃ�öñáóå ôçÃ* åëðßäá Ã�èÞÃ*á êáé Óêüðéá Ã*á êáôáëÞîïõÃ* óå ëýóç - áðå (http://www.ethnos.gr/article.asp?catid=5592&subid=2&pubid=88823)


Τ' είχες Γιάννη μ', τ' είχα πάντα.

[Amarantos]

QUESTION: Yes. Mr. McCormack, on FYROM. Last Thursday, in answer to a question of mine regarding the land dispute between Greece and FYROM, inter alia, you stated, "Greece and Macedonia need to come to sort of accommodation or understanding as to what Greece will refer to Macedonia as." What do you mean with this since that reflects exactly the position of FYROM?


MR. MCCORMACK: Well, you asked a question about membership in NATO. That's how this whole question came about. Macedonia is part of the Membership Action Plan, MAP, so there is some interaction ongoing between NATO as an organization, its individual member-states and Macedonia. We ourselves have made a decision with respect to the name of Macedonia.


Now, eventually, as we have said, that NATO has an open door and we clearly have -- are engaged in discussions with other non-member states right now about the potential for membership down the road, one of those issues between Macedonia and Greece would have to be the name issue. And in -- if you were ever to -- if you were ever to get to membership for Macedonia in NATO, you would have to get all member NATO states agreeing that Macedonia should enter. So it was a reference to the fact that if you ever do get to that point, it's an issue that would need to be resolved between Macedonia and Greece since NATO is a consensus organization.


QUESTION: What is the U.S. position exactly, whatever you told us, that if she is going to apply as Macedonia or FYROM, would you support such an application?


MR. MCCORMACK: We're not there, Lambros. With respect to the name, we have made our decision with respect to the name. Now, the UN is involved in this issue as well and there have to be discussions as to what Macedonia would be referred to in the UN as well. Again, those need to be worked out. These are issues that are not a -- it's not a bilateral issue at this point between the U.S. and Macedonia. As an organization and as a member-state, this issue is not an issue for us, but clearly it is for the Greek Government. It would need to be resolved if Macedonia were ever to proceed further down the pathway to NATO membership.


Now, that is not the only issue. There are a number of other issues that are part of the Membership Action Plan that Macedonia would have to resolve before it could even get close to membership. So it's one among a number of different issues that NATO countries, as a whole, have with Macedonia.

Daily Press Briefing -- February 5 (http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2007/80063.htm)

[Amarantos]

ΗΠΑ: Η ΠΓΔΜ στο ΝΑΤΟ μέσω… Ελλάδας
Για να προχωρήσει η ένταξη της ΠΓΔΜ στο ΝΑΤΟ θα πρέπει προηγουμένως να έχει επιλύσει την διαφορά της με την Ελλάδα γύρω από το όνομα

ΤΗΝ ΕΚΤΙΜΗΣΗ έκανε ο εκπρόσωπος του Στέιτ Ντιπάρτμεντ, Σον Μακόρμακ, αποσαφηνίζοντας την αμερικανική θέση στο θέμα, και στέλνοντας στα Σκόπια το σαφές μήνυμα ότι η ένταξη στην Ατλαντική Συμμαχία δεν είναι διασφαλισμένη αλλά περνά μέσα από τη συμφωνία με την Αθήνα στο θέμα του ονόματος. Ήταν η πιο ξεκάθαρη επίσημη τοποθέτηση της κυβέρνησης των ΗΠΑ στο θέμα, και με αυτή ζητείται ουσιαστικά από την γειτονική χώρα να επιδείξει την αναγκαία ευελιξία στις διαπραγματεύσεις που γίνονται υπό την αιγίδα του μεσολαβητή του ΟΗΕ Μάθιου Νίμιτς.

«Υπάρχει μια διαδικασία που βρίσκεται σε εξέλιξη μεταξύ του ΝΑΤΟ ως οργανισμού, των μελών του, και της 'Μακεδονίας' που επιθυμεί να ενταχθεί στην Ατλαντική Συμμαχία», τόνισε ο κ. Μακόρμακ και υπογράμμισε ότι μπορεί οι ΗΠΑ να αναγνώρισαν την χώρα ως 'Μακεδονία', αλλά η Ελλάδα δεν το έκανε, και καθώς βρίσκονται σε εξέλιξη διαβουλεύσεις με χώρες που δεν είναι μέλη αλλά επιθυμούν να γίνουν, τα θέματα που τις αφορούν και εκκρεμούν πρέπει να επιλυθούν.

«Εάν πρόκειται κάποτε να φθάσουμε στην ένταξη της Μακεδονίας στο ΝΑΤΟ, θα χρειασθεί όλα τα κράτη-μέλη να συμφωνήσουν ότι η Μακεδονία πρέπει να ενταχθεί», επισήμανε ο κ. Μακόρμακ και στο πλαίσιο αυτό υπενθύμισε ότι το ΝΑΤΟ είναι ένας οργανισμός που λειτουργεί με την αρχή της ομοφωνίας και η Ελλάδα είναι μέλος του. Άρα, συνέχισε, «εάν φθάσουμε σε αυτό σημείο, [το όνομα] είναι ένα θέμα που θα χρειασθεί να λυθεί μεταξύ της Μακεδονίας και της Ελλάδας».

Απαντώντας και σε άλλη σχετική ερώτηση επανήλθε με ακόμη μεγαλύτερη σαφήνεια, λέγοντας ότι το όνομα «δεν είναι ένα θέμα που αφορά εμάς, αλλά είναι σαφές ότι αφορά την ελληνική κυβέρνηση. Θα χρειασθεί να λυθεί εάν η Μακεδονία πρόκειται ποτέ να προχωρήσει περισσότερο στον δρόμο προς την ένταξη στο ΝΑΤΟ».

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[Amarantos]

QUESTION: On FYROM, Mr. Casey. Your Ambassador to Skopje, Gillian Milovanovic stated the other day, "Greece cannot raise a veto against the admission of Macedonia into NATO." Two questions: Number one, under which capacity she is talking on behalf of the Greek Government about veto; number two, I'm wondering who authorized her to make such a provocative statement against Greece.

MR. CASEY: Mr. Ambassador -- (laughter). Mr. Ambassador, Mr. Lambros -- (laughter). Boy, it is Monday, guys. I'll tell you. (Laughter.)

QUESTION: He does enjoy a certain exalted status. (Laughter.)

MR. CASEY: Yes, we all have -- we all have. Look, I'm not going there. I got into enough trouble already.

Mr. Lambros, I'm sure the Ambassador, in whatever capacity he was making the remarks, did so in full conformity with U.S. policy. I certainly haven't seen those remarks. But as we all know NATO is an organization that operates by consensus. I would fully expect that when the time came for consideration of new membership that the procedures there would work as they have in the past, which would be a requirement, of course, that all countries, all current members, accede to the admission of new members. Again, with respect to --

(Briefing paused for a Public Address System announcement.)

QUESTION: Is that on the record?

MR. CASEY: I think that's on -- I don't know, should we put it in the transcript or shouldn't we? (Laughter.)

QUESTION: What is the answer?

MR. CASEY: Yeah, I didn't know you were inciting violence now, Mr. Lambros. That's a terrible thing.

But again, Mr. Lambros, as we all know, NATO's procedures for admitting new members are clear and consistent. It operates under consensus. Certainly, I would hope that we would see -- be able to see consensus on the admission of new members at a time when NATO chooses to take them.

You know and you've heard from us about our position about the membership of a number of countries, including Macedonia. We continue to believe it's important that all of those states that wish to be members, that are part of the membership action plan, continue to do the things necessary to be able to meet the criteria for membership.

With respect to the issue of the name between Greece and Macedonia, we continue to support a negotiated agreement on that between Greece and Macedonia under the auspices of the United Nations.

QUESTION: Can you take this question to see if it is said by your Ambassador -- the statement?

MR. CASEY: Mr. Lambros, you can go talk to the Ambassador about their remarks. I'm sure the Embassy can help you in terms of clarifying them.


Daily Press Briefing -- June 25 (http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2007/jun/87258.htm)

[Amarantos]

QUESTION: Mr. McCormack, on FYROM. Anything to say about this --

MR. MCCORMACK: (Inaudible.)

QUESTION: FYROM.

MR. MCCORMACK: Okay, okay.

QUESTION: (Inaudible.) Anything to say about the -- today's meeting between Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and the Foreign Minister of FYROM Antonio Milososki?

MR. MCCORMACK: Yeah. They had a good meeting and they talked about a wide range of topics. They talked about the neighborhood. They talked about Kosovo. They talked about bilateral relations between Macedonia and Greece. And one of the things the Secretary underlined was the importance of Macedonia working in the UN process to resolve the name issue, including Greece. As you know, we have made our own decision on that, as have other countries, but it's an important issue to resolve.

QUESTION: She emphasized?

MR. MCCORMACK: Excuse me?

QUESTION: She -- the Secretary emphasized that --

MR. MCCORMACK: It is one among a number of different things. She -- and look, there is no pushback from the Foreign Minister. He said that this was something that they are engaged in, they are willingly engaged in, and actively engaged in.

They also talked about the fact that Macedonia has contributed troops and is contributing troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Secretary thanked him for those contributions.

What else? That was basically it. It was mostly neighborhood issues, Afghanistan, Iraq and bilateral relations between Greece and Macedonia.

QUESTION: Mr. McCormack, who asked for the meeting -- the Secretary or Mr. Milososki? And how long lasted?

MR. MCCORMACK: It lasted half an hour, as they typically do, as these foreign minister meetings do. I can't tell you who asked for the meeting. It's a mutual consent. I mean, she -- Secretary Rice wanted to see him.

QUESTION: Okay. And the last one. Did he invite the Secretary to visit Skopje, and how soon?

MR. MCCORMACK: I don't think that there was a specific invitation during this meeting, but the Secretary at some point, I am sure, looks forward to visiting Macedonia.

Daily Press Briefing
Sean McCormack, Spokesman
Washington, DC
July 10, 2007

Daily Press Briefing -- July 10 (http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2007/jul/88070.htm)

[Philip II Macedonian]

QUESTION: That means also that you recognize also the existence of Macedonia language and ethnicity?

MR. CASEY: Mr. Lambros, it means we recognize Macedonia, the country, by its constitutional name. The United States Government does not recognize languages or other sort of sub-national groups like that as far as I know.




Thats mean that US Government politics don't recognize any country by themes language or other sort of sub-national group

[GreekSlav]

Original Statement

QUESTION: That means also that you recognize also the existence of Macedonia language and ethnicity?

MR. CASEY: Mr. Lambros, it means we recognize Macedonia, the country, by its constitutional name. The United States Government does not recognize languages or other sort of sub-national groups like that as far as I know


The USA did not say that it did not recognize “a Macedonian language or subnational group”. The reply was straight forward, that the US government, as a general practice, does not have a policy on recognizing languages.

The USA has never recognized a “Language” ever. But it has recognized many countries. When France dipped its flag to the passing American ship Bonhomme Richard, it was the first gesture of one country recognizing the United States of America. France did not need to recognize the language along with the "dip". Any country that recognizes another country has no need to recognize the language along with it. It is trivia. Recognizing the country is the top honor.

So how did the word “Macedonian” get into the title of this thread? Maybe for your own humor? Funny guys.

And I know where this will lead, so screw Tito, okay? He was an insignificant Communist bastard.

[Truth Bearer]

You know and we know why Bush recognized fyrom.And it wasn't anything to do with him believing their bullshit story either......

[Spartan]

You know and we know why Bush recognized fyrom.And it wasn't anything to do with him believing their bullshit story either......


It was definitely PURE POLITICS and rewarding them for their support of the war in Iraq. Plain and simple. If FYROM did not support the U.S Bush would have never recognized them as such.

[Istor]

But USA calls your language 'Macedonian'. This is wrong, as all World know. I am sure that when USA looks for translators, don't ask for Bulgarian, despite all World know that SlavoSkopian is a Bulgarian dialect.

[GreekSlav]

My Language, Istor. When did it become MY language? Did I create this language? Do I possess it or does it have my name on it?

[GreekSlav]

It was definitely PURE POLITICS and rewarding them for their support of the war in Iraq. Plain and simple. If FYROM did not support the U.S Bush would have never recognized them as such.

For some of you Greeks, there is always a "good reason" for any positive action in support of the Republic of Macedonia. How comical!

[Spartan]

So why else would a world Super Power even bother recognizing a tiny insignificant country? Also it is more than a coincidence that a very short time after FYROM showed their support for the War in Iraq that the U.S and Bush recognized FYROM as ROM. Don't you think that the U.S had better things to do than to even bother with such an issue during a war and fighting terrorism?

Also why do you think FYROM supported the war? After all more than 90% of all Europeans opposed the war and more importantly Greeces' government opposed it. This would be a quick easy way of gaining recognition and economic aid from the U.S.

Please tell us GreekSlav why Clinton never recognized them as such even though he was president for 8 years?

[Truth Bearer]

For some of you Greeks, there is always a "good reason" for any positive action in support of the Republic of Macedonia. How comical!

Why are you not 50% Greek Mr Slav????

[Amarantos]

I post it here since other S. Department press briefings are present in this thread.


Daily Press Briefing
Tom Casey, Deputy Spokesman
Washington, DC
June 25, 2008




QUESTION (Mr. Lambros): On Greece, Mr. Casey, according to extensive reports from Athens, your Consul General Hoyt Brian Lee, in Thessaloniki, he has been charged for a serious, if undiplomatic and illegal, actions against the territorial integrity of northern Greece, bringing specifically, political gains with non-existing minorities in the Greek (inaudible). I’m wondering, if you are aware about that?


MR. CASEY: Mr. Lambros, I can state with authority that I am fully confident that both our Embassy in Athens, as well as our Consul is behaving in a fully appropriate manner consistent with the role of diplomats everywhere, which is certainly to talk not only to government officials, but to members of civil society in all forms, including those who might not always agree with the governments of the day.


QUESTION: All of whom are innocent, Mr. Casey?


MR. CASEY: Mr. Lambros --


QUESTION: (Inaudible) statements?


MR. CASEY: Mr. Lambros, I want to make this clear. Are you accusing U.S. diplomats of inappropriate action?


QUESTION: Correct.


MR. CASEY: Okay.


QUESTION: Next question.


MR. CASEY: I am accusing you of having your facts completely wrong, being inaccurate, and making spurious and scandalous accusations against fine members of the U.S. Foreign Service. And I would encourage you, sir, to go back and look at the facts, because frankly, I think your facts are wrong. Was that clear enough? Just checking.


QUESTION: Excuse me. There are reports, Mr. Casey – I’m not accusing here, just I’m quoting the reports and I would like you to comment.


MR. CASEY: I just did. I told you those reports are inaccurate, inappropriate, and totally absurd. And I would suggest that anyone making them check their facts because they’re wrong.


QUESTION: Thank you.


MR. CASEY: Okay.

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2008/jun/106263.htm

[stelio_]

thanx