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akritas
12-04-2005, 02:32 PM
If anyone want to see from a neutral point of view what happened in the Balkan wars 1912-13 download and read the three reports.
Carnegie Commission Reports (http://www.einaudi.cornell.edu/europe/integrated_history/category.asp?id=48)
Tsontos
12-02-2006, 01:46 AM
The entire commission is hosted on this Bulgarian site:
http://knigite.abv.bg/en/carnegie/index.html
Carnegie Endowment for International peace
REPORT OF THE INTERNATIONAL COMMISSION
To Inquire into the causes and Conduct OF THE BALKAN WARS, PUBLISHED BY THE ENDOWMENT WASHINGTON, D.C. 1914
Tsontos
12-02-2006, 02:10 AM
ill just post a few excerpts I found interesting
Our American friends understood this when they asked us to act, and we have not hesitated to respond to their insistence. The Americans, unlike Europe, do not approve of resignation, silence, withdrawal. They are young, and they can not endure an evil which is not proved to them to be absolutely incurable. Not the slightest doubt can be cast upon their impartiality in regard to the belligerents, the United States being the adopted country of important rival colonies, notably of an admirable Greek colony. For my part, I should not have accepted the responsibility of organizing a mission of whose disinterestedness and justice I had not been fully assured.
I love Greece. The breath of her war of independence inspired my youth, I am steeped in the heroic memories that live in the hearts of her children, in her folk songs, in her language, which I used to speak, in the divine air of her plains and mountains. Along her coasts every port, every olive wood or group of laurels, evokes the sacred origin of our civilization. Greece was the starting point of my active life and labor. [See footnote, page 3] She is for the European and the American more than a cradle, a temple or a hearth, which each of us dreams of visiting one day in pilgrimage. I do not confine myself to respecting and cherishing her past. I believe in her future, in her eager, almost excessive, intelligence. But the more I love Greece, the more do I feel it my duty in the crisis of militarism which is menacing her now in her turn, to tell the truth and to serve her by this, as I serve my own country, while so many others injure her by flattery.
from section: 'Why this enquiry?' - Introduction
Tsontos
12-03-2006, 01:42 AM
Thus did the Servians in Turkey deprive themselves of their own free will of the most effective weapon in the national conflict. From this time on the "exarchist" was exclusively Bulgarian and the Macedonian population, called Boulgari from time immemorial, began to feel itself at once Bulgarian and Slav. Outside the national Bulgarian church, which thus remained the Slav church in Macedonia, there were only "patriarchists" of every kind-Greek, Wallachian or Servian united under one Greek ecclesiastical authority, that of Constantinople.
The second circumstance driving Servia to accentuate its Macedonian pretensions was the "occupation" of Bosnia and Herzegovina by Austria Hungary. It is now known that at the interview between Emperor Alexander II and Emperor Francis Joseph at Reichstadt on July 8, 1876, it was agreed that in the event of Servia or Montenegro winning independence, Austria Hungary should have the right to "occupy and administer" these provinces. The same terms were repeated in the Berlin treaty. At the same time Austria Hungary emphasized her assertion that she regarded Servia as within her sphere of influence.
At Reichstadt, Russia agreed not to make war on Servian territory, and when General Ignatiev suggested the annexation of Bosnia to the Austrian diplomats as the condition of recognition of the treaty of San Stefano, Count Andrassy replied by a counter proposition, that of leaving Russia full freedom of action in Bulgaria on condition of the proclamation of Macedonia's autonomy under Austro-Hungarian protection.
After the Berlin Congress, Austria Hungary entered into closer relations with King Milan of Servia. He signed the secret treaty of 1881, in which (ยง7) Austria Hungary formally declared that she "would not oppose, would even support Servia against other powers in the event of the latter's finding a way of extending its southern boundary, exception being made in the case of the Sandjak of Novi Bazar." In 1889, when this treaty was renewed, Austria ^Hungary promised in even clearer terms "to aid in the extension of Servia in the direction of the Vardar valley." Thus at the very moment when Austria Hungary was depriving Servia of any possibility of westward extension, by joining the section of the Servian population inhabiting- Bosnia and Herzegovina to herself, Austrian diplomacy was holding out by way of compensation, the hope of an extension towards the south, in those territories whose population had, up to 1860-1870, been universally recognized as Bulgarian, even by the Servians.
http://knigite.abv.bg/en/carnegie/chapter1_1.html
Tsontos
12-03-2006, 02:44 AM
Here are the statistics for the Bulgarian-exarchist schools for the same period: there were in Macedonia 1896-97, 843 such schools (against 77 Servian schools), 1,306 teachers (Servian, 118) ; 31,719 scholars (Servian, 2,873); children in the kindergarten, 14,713.
These figures show that at the close of the nineteenth century the overwhelming majority of the Slav population of Macedonia was sending its children to the exarchist Bulgarian school. The school became henceforth an auxiliary of the national movement, and independent of the church
Official Turkish statistics admitted only one principle of discrimination between the ethnic groups dwelling in Macedonia, namely religion. Thus all the Mahomrnedans formed a single group although there might be among them Turks, Albanians, Bulgarian "pomaks," etc.: all the patriarchists in the same way were grouped together as "Greeks," although there might be among them Servians, Wallachians, Bulgarians, etc. Only in the "exarchist" group, did religion coincide, more or less, with Bulgarian nationality.
1.1. The ethnography and national aspirations of the Balkans (http://knigite.abv.bg/en/carnegie/chapter1_1.html)
Tsontos
12-03-2006, 02:54 AM
From an ethnographical point of view the population of Macedonia is extremely mixed. The old maps, from that of Ami Bone (1847) down, follow tradition in regarding the Slav population of Macedonia as Bulgarian. Later local charts make the whole country either Servian, or Greek. Any attempt at more exact delineation, based on topical study, is of recent date. There are, for example, Mr. Kantchev's maps, representing Bulgarian opinion, and the better known one of Mr. Tsviyits representing Servian. But Mr. Tsviyits' ethnographic ideas vary also with the development of Servia's political pretensions. In 1909 he gave "Old Servia" a different outline from that he gave in 1911 (see his map published in the "Petermann" series)
http://knigite.abv.bg/en/carnegie/chapter1_1.html - section 30
Tsontos
12-03-2006, 03:23 AM
It was in Macedonia that the real revolutionary organization, uncompromising and jealous of its independence, was to be found. For the origins of this internal organization we must go back to 1893 when, in the little village of Resna, a small group of young Bulgarian intellectuals founded a secret society with the clearly expressed intention of "preparing the Christian population for armed struggle against the Turkish regime in order to win personal security and guarantees for order and justice in the administration," which may be translated as the political autonomy of Macedonia.
The year 1910 was decisive in the sense of affording definite proof that the regime established in 1908 was not tolerable. The regime had its chance of justifying itself in the eyes of Europe and strengthening its position in relation to its own subjects and to the neighboring Balkan States; it let the chance go. From that time the fate of Turkey in Europe was decided, beyond appeal.
This was also the end of the attempts at autonomy in Macedonia. To realize this autonomy two principal conditions were required: the indivisibility of Turkey and a sincere desire on the part of the Turkish government to introduce radical reforms based on decentralization. No idea was less acceptable to the "Committee of Union and Progress" than this of decentralization, since it was the watchword of the rival political organization. Thenceforward any hope of improving the condition of the Christian populations within the limits of the status quo became illusory. Those limits had to be transcended. Autonomy was no longer possible. Dismemberment and partition had to be faced.
http://knigite.abv.bg/en/carnegie/chapter1_2.html
-CHAPTER I - The Origin of the Two Balkan Wars
2. The struggle for autonomy
Tsontos
12-03-2006, 05:31 AM
At this moment the Czar of Russia made a final effort. On May 26/June 8, he sent a telegram to the Kings of Servia and Bulgaria in which, while noting the suggested meeting at Salonica and its eventual continuation at St. Petersburg, he reminded them that they were bound to submit their findings to his arbitrament. He stated solemnly that "the State which begins the war will answer for its conduct to Slavdom." He reserved to himself entire freedom to decide what attitude Russia would take up in view of the "possible consequences of this criminal strife." The secret diplomatic correspondence explains this threat. If Servia will not submit to Russian arbitration "it will risk its existence." If it is Bulgaria that resists, "it will be attacked, in the war with the allies, by Roumania and Turkey."
line 64
1.4 - The conflict between the allies (http://knigite.abv.bg/en/carnegie/chapter1_4.html)
Tsontos
01-05-2007, 02:20 AM
It gave the opportunity of vengeance to every peasant who cherished a grudge against a harsh landlord or a brutal neighbor. Every Bulgarian village in northern Macedonia had its memory of sufferings and wrongs.
It remains to mention the practice followed by the Bulgarians, over a wide area, of reconverting the pomaks by force to Christianity. The pomaks are Bulgarians by race and language, who at some period of the Turkish conquest were converted by force to Islam. They speak no Turkish, and retain some traditional memory of their Christian past; but circumstances have usually made them fanatical Mohammedans. They number in the newly conquered territories at least 80,000 persons, and are chiefly concentrated to the north and east of Nevrocop. The Bulgarian Holy Synod conceived the design of converting them en masse, and it was frequently able to reckon on the support of the military and civil authorities, not to mention the insurgent bands. It was not usually necessary to employ actual violence; threats, backed by the manifest power to enforce them, commonly sufficed to induce whole villages to submit to the ceremony of baptism. The policy was carried out systematically, and long before the outbreak of the second war, the pomaks in most districts conformed outwardly to the Bulgarian church, and listened with a show of docility to the ministrations of the priests and nuns sent by the Holy Synod to instruct them in the tenets of Christianity. This aberration, in sharp contrast to the toleration which the Bulgarian Kingdom has usually shown to the Moslems within its frontiers, must rank among the least excusable brutalities of the war. The Holy Synod argued that since force had been used to convert the pomaks to Islam, force might fairly be used to reverse the process. The argument is one proof the more that races whose minds have been molded for centuries by the law of reprisal and the practice of vengeance, tend to a common level of degradation.
2.1 - The War and the noncombatant population (http://knigite.abv.bg/en/carnegie/chapter2_1.html)
Tsontos
01-05-2007, 08:34 AM
Wow Ive read most of the damn report and still no mention of ethnic macedonians. amazing that despite how "Greece, Bulgaria and Serb divided Macedonia and subjecated the Macedonian majority" that this report only talks about the interactions between the Greek, Bulgarian and Moslem population of Macedonia during the war. Heres another excerpt about South Eastern Macedonia on the eve of the second war, note the demographics mentioned:
In forming an opinion upon the series of excesses which marked the Bulgarian withdrawal from southeastern Macedonia, it is necessary to recall the fact that the Bulgarians were here occupying a country whose population is mainly Greek and Turkish. The Bulgarian garrisons were small, and they found themselves on the outbreak of the second war in a hostile country. The Greek population of these regions is wealthy and intensely patriotic. In several Greek centers insurgent organizations (andartes) existed. Arms had been collected, and some experienced guerrilla chiefs were believed to be in hiding, and ready to lead the local population. All of this in existing conditions was creditable to Greek patriotism; their race was at war with Bulgarians, and the more enterprising and courageous among them intended to take their share as auxiliaries Of the Greek army in driving the Bulgarians from their country. From a nationalist standpoint, this was morally their right and some might even say their duty. But it is equally clear that the Bulgarians, wherever they found themselves opposed by the armed civil population, had also a right to take steps to protect themselves. The steps which they elected to take in some places grossly exceeded the limits of legitimate defense or allowable reprisal.
Doxato was a thriving country town, situated between Drama and Kavala in the center of a rich tobacco growing district. It had a large school, and counted several wealthy and educated families among its 2,700 Greek inhabitants. It was proud of its Hellenic character, and formed with two neighboring villages a compact Greek island in a rural population which was almost exclusively Turkish.
The demographics of Serres are made reference to in this excerpt:
THE MASSACRE AND CONFLAGRATION OF SERRES
Serres is the largest town of the interior of eastern Macedonia. The tobacco trade had brought considerable wealth to its 30,000 inhabitants; and it possessed in its churches, schools and hospitals the outward signs of the public spirit of its Greek community. The villages around it are Bulgarian to the north and west, but a rural Greek population approaches it from the south and east. The town itself is predominantly Greek, with the usual Jewish and Turkish admixture. The Bulgarians formed but a small minority.
2.2 - The conduct of the Bulgarians in the second war (http://knigite.abv.bg/en/carnegie/chapter2_2.html)
CHAPTER II
The War and the Noncombatant Population
Tsontos
01-05-2007, 09:32 PM
Another fugitive, a village priest, regretted his home, which had, he said, the best water in all Macedonia. But he was sure that flight was wise. He had reason to fear the Bulgarians. A comitadji, early in the first war, pointed a rifle at his breast, and said: "Become a Bulgarian, or I'll kill you." He forthwith became a Bulgarian for several months and conformed to the exarchist church. These "Greeks" will probably be well cared for, and may have a prosperous future. The Moslem fugitives furnish the tragic element of this enforced exodus. It creates three problems: What will become of these uprooted Turkish families? Who will acquire the lands they have left behind? By what right can the Greeks dispose of the Bulgarian lands in the Kukush region? The problem may solve itself by some rough exchange, but not without endless private misery and immense injustice.
3. The Bulgarian peasant and the Greek army
2.3 - The Bulgarian peasant and the Greek army (http://knigite.abv.bg/en/carnegie/chapter2_3.html)
Melbourne
01-07-2007, 05:11 AM
Voulgaroktonos, you keep coming up with the most informative posts, keep it up megale!
I am sure some of Skopiani read these and without admitting it, start questioning their identity....after all, it is there in black and white...
akritas
01-22-2007, 02:43 PM
The Carnegie Commission in Macedonia, Summer 1913
by Iakovos D. Michailidis
Following the Balkan Wars, during the summer of 1913, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace set up a committee to investigate the situation in the Balkans in general and in Macedonia in particular. The results drawn from this investigation were printed in Washington DC in 1914 under the title Report of the International Commission to Inquire into the Cause and the Conduct of the Balkan Wars. Since then the Committee's remarks have been reproduced many times by scholars and laymen as objective sources about Macedonian history within an ocean of propaganda and misinformation. In 1993 the Carnegie Endowment reprinted the 1913 report with an introduction by George Kennan, the late American Ambassador to the USSR in the 1950s and to Yugoslavia in the 1960s.
Maria Todorova has made clear that the reproduction of this report is part of a process which led to the standardisation of the Balkan peoples as blood-thirsty savages seeking revenge. But there is more than that. In 1995 the report was translated into Bulgarian and published jointly by the Carnegie Endowment and the Foundation for Free and Democratic Bulgaria. Bulgarian interest in this report is neither fresh nor accidental; neither is Greek and Serbian reluctance to use it as a reliable source of reference a historical coincidence. A recent article by Prof. Ivan Ilchev ("Karnegievata Anketa na Balkanite prez 1913g" [The Carnegie Committee Research in the Balkans in 1913] in Makedonija: Istorija i polititseska sadba (1912-1941), Sofia 1998, vol. 2, pp. 241-256) sheds considerable light on the background of the Carnegie 1913 mission.
Baron d'Estournelle de Constant, a distinguished French senator was appointed chairman of the Committee probably due to its devotion to the cause of peace as well as his deep knowledge of the Eastern Question. However, although de Constant considered himself a philhellen, his views concerning the Macedonian Question were far from compatible with Greek foreign policy. As early as in 1903 the French Baron had espoused in public the idea of Macedonian independence along with many liberal personalities of the time who had been moved by the sufferings of the Slavs under Ottoman rule.
D'Estournelle invited seven prominent Europeans and Americans to man the Committee: the French lawyer and M. P. Justin Godart, Samuel Hutton, Professor at Columbia University, the Briton Francis Hirst, editor of The Economist, the journalist Henry N. Brailsford, the Russian Professor of History and member of the Duma Pavel Miljukov, the German Professor of Law Walter Schucking, and his Austrian colleague Joseph Redlich. The multinational character of the Committee was in principle a guarantee for a neutral and objective approach. In reality the Committee was dominated by two men, Brailsford and Miljukov.
The former, very much like d'Estournelle, was a liberal who had sided with the Greeks against the Turks in 1897 and with the Bulgarians of Macedonia against the Turks in 1903. That year, as a member of the London based Balkan Committee, he participated into a mission to relieve the Macedonian peasantry from the grievances they had suffered after the ill-fated Iliden uprising. In 1906 he published his study Macedonia, its Races and their Future which supported independence for the Bulgarians of Macedonia and permanently cut his links to Greece.
The latter, Pavel Nikolajevic Miljukov, a historian and sociologist, had been appointed in 1897 by the Bulgarian Ministry of Education Professor of History at the School for Higher Education in Sofia. The following year he joined the Russian diplomatic mission in Bulgaria and in 1899 he published his study European Diplomacy and the Macedonian Question. During his long residence in Sofia he was associated with Bulgarian academic and diplomatic circles; moreover, he also travelled to Macedonia and Thrace three times between 1903 and 1908.
In Belgrade the Carnegie Committee did not exactly enjoy a red carpet reception. The Serbs were highly suspicious about the presence of a well known Bulgarophile, Miljukov, in the Committee. Friction also prevailed during the Committee's visit to Thessaloniki, although Greeks were basically reserved due to the participation of Brailsford. Indeed it was Miljukov who collected information from the Bulgarian community of Thessaloniki and met with the leader of the Bulgarian Socialists, Dimitar Vlahov. Then Miljukov travelled to Sofia when he was received with enthusiasm by high ranking state officials and experts, among them the Foreign Minister N. Genadiev and the distinguished ethnographer, then Associate Professor of Literature in Sofia University, Jordan Ivanov, a Macedonian himself from Kratovo and a well known partisan of Greater Bulgaria. The latter advanced to Miljukov his statistics which had been based on a Bulgarian survey realised before 1900 by the Inspector of the Bulgarian Schools in Macedonia, Vasil Kunchev. Based on that, Miljukov wrote four out of the seven chapters of the Carnegie report while Brailsford prepared only one.
Miljukov did not even pretend to be neutral. In one of his interviews in a Bulgarian newspaper he said that the Treaty of Buchurest was the greatest injustice in Balkan history, clearly implying that the Bulgarians deserved a better portion of the Ottoman inheritance. His statement was soon forgotten as well as his background. Greeks and Serbs may have won the wars but were defeated in the battle of propaganda. Had they known the far-reaching impact of this report, they would have reconsidered their welcoming ceremonies.
Macedonian Heritage - The Carnegie Foundation Report of 1913 (http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/Contributions/contr_Carnegie_1.html)
Tsontos
02-01-2007, 01:29 AM
We have repeatedly been able to show that the worst atrocities were not due to the excesses of the regular soldiery, nor can they always be laid to the charge of the volunteers, the bashi-basoitk.[This term of dismal memory has taken on an altogether fresh significance during the latest wars. A bashi-basouk is no longer necessarily a Turk. He is the volunteer, the Freischarler of all the belligerent nations without distinction; the Bulgarian comitadji, the Greek andarte; generally speaking he is any combatant not wearing the uniform of the regular.] The populations mutually slaughtered and pursued with a ferocity heightened by mutual knowledge and the old hatreds and resentments they cherished.
CHAPTER IV
The War and the Nationalities
1. Extermination, emigration, assimilation
Tsontos
02-04-2007, 07:12 AM
CHAPTER IV
The War and the Nationalities
2. Servian Macedonia (a)
A comparison of the ethnographic and linguistic maps drawn up by Mes-sers Kantchev, Tsviyits (Cviyic) and Belits, with the new frontiers of the treaty of Bucharest reveals the gravity of the task undertaken by the Servians. They have not merely resumed possession of their ancient domain, the Sandjak of Novi-Bazar and Old Servia proper (Kosovo Pole and Metchia), despite the fact that this historic domain was strongly Albanian; they have not merely added thereto the tract described by patriotic Servian ethnographers as "Enlarged Old Servia" fan ancient geographical term which we have seen twice enlarged, once by Mr. Tsviyits and again by Mr. Belits) ; [See chapter I, p. 29.] over and above all this, their facile generosity impelled them to share with the Greeks the population described on their maps as "Slav-Macedonian"—a euphemism designed to conceal the existence of Bulgarians in Macedonia. And their acquisitions under the treaty of Bucharest went beyond their most extravagant pretensions. They took advantage of the Bulgarians' need to conclude peace at any price to deprive them of territories to the east of the Vardar, for example, Chtipe and Radoviche, where Bulgarian patriotism glowed most vividly and where the sacrifices accepted by Bulgarian patriots for the sake of freeing Macedonia, had always been exceptionally great. This was adding insult to injury.
The bold and underlined text refers to this map which was attached to the report in 1914:
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2807/balkanethnicgroups19142go0.jpg
As a matter of fact, if it was desired to make "Servian" Macedonia a reality instead of allowing it to remain what it was,—a national illusion in which aspirations were translated into accomplished facts,—it was necessary to understand, however little one might approve, the tactics of the government. If the opposition were to be logical they must renounce their national view. If they insisted upon that, they must admit that for the real attainment of their object of an ethnic "unification," everything remained to be done. To admit the end was to sanction the means, i. e., the extermination, or at least the elimination of alien elements, and above all of the Bulgarian element.
Tsontos
02-04-2007, 07:35 PM
Here veles, in central FYROM is described as a centre of Bulgarian patriotism
On June 17/30 a particularly large number of arrests took place at Veles. All the schoolmasters of the town and villages were arrested, as well as all the priests and officials of the Metropolis, and between 150 and 200 inhabitant of the village. This was a form of recognition of the strength of national feeling in this little town, which had been one of the most active centers of the Bulgarian national movement, ever since its beginning. Martyrs too were no lacking.
4.2. Servian Macedonia (b) (http://knigite.abv.bg/en/carnegie/chapter4_2b.html)
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