The other side of the Macedonian Struggle - The Bulgarian VMORO

[Tchakalaroff]

OK, I've seen the photos of the andart bands that fought against IMORO in Kastoria, Florina, Kilskis, Monastir, and so on...

But, I present you some photos of VMORO that fought against the Greek commeettee and against the despotism of Abdul hamid's Turkey in the district of Kastoria (in our language Kostur)...

Here they are.. Vasil Tchakalarov, Mitre Vlacheto, Lazar PopTraikov, Pando Kliashev, e.s.t...

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4355/tchakalarovjf6.jpg


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Lazar Papa-Traikov

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Vasil Tchakalarov

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Pando Klashev

[Tchakalaroff]

Vulgaroksonos..
Why did you censored my post ?!?!?!

I didn't say nothing that afends the greek name...

:/

Please rename those places where you've put Bulgarians, into "Macedonian Slavs"..
I'm not a Bulgarian.. I'm a Macedonian Slav

[Tsontos]

We also have Bulgarian members and referring to the VMRO without any recognition of the organisations Bulgarian roots is offensive. We have no problem with hearing the other side of the macedonian struggle - the bulgarian side.

you said that that the VMRO was the "group of the SLavs of Makedonia", yet you conviniently forget that the group was originally named IMARO. the "A" when applying the acronym of this organisation. The "A" for Adrianople clearly identifies that the organisation had intentions to annex the Thracian region to a greater bulgarian state as well and was not just a group centered in macedonia and for the most part its members were Bulgarian patriots and not Macedonist autonomists

BTW, change your location unless you want me to change it for you

[achilles]

Vulgaroksonos..
Why did you censored my post ?!?!?!

I didn't say nothing that afends the greek name...

:/

Please rename those places where you've put Bulgarians, into "Macedonian Slavs"..
I'm not a Bulgarian.. I'm a Macedonian Slav

And i am Kemal Ataturk's great-grand son.

I think you have been kindly requested to change your location from "Bitola, Macedonia" to "Bitola, Skopje" or to the official name recognized by the United Nations, i.e. FYROM, or some other version that will have some sort of link to reality. Upon that, i believe we can have a civil and constructive discussion, although i begin to doubt your intentions. By all means proove me wrong.

Have a good one,
Achilles the Makedon

[PhiliptheUniterchaeronea]

This Organization can evoke a great deal of emotion gentlemen. Hellenic Pride pointed out a website of considerable pain to Macedonians, indeed to all Greeks. That is the massacre of Macedonians simply because they were Greek and would pledge any allegiance to the Slavic population of the region.

http://www.macedoniagreece.com/index.htm

However, we can continue to point out atrocities from one side or another but we will run around in circles. The bottom line remains that this appropriateion must end as our history is not for sale.

[Tchakalaroff]

This Organization can evoke a great deal of emotion gentlemen. Hellenic Pride pointed out a website of considerable pain to Macedonians, indeed to all Greeks. That is the massacre of Macedonians simply because they were Greek and would pledge any allegiance to the Slavic population of the region.

http://www.macedoniagreece.com/index.htm

However, we can continue to point out atrocities from one side or another but we will run around in circles. The bottom line remains that this appropriateion must end as our history is not for sale.


But Philip...

The IMORO wasn't kiling greeks (I mean real greeks, people that talked greek), but IMORO was killing slavs that didn't want to exept the exarchate..
Grecomans were being killed, not macedonian greeks..

And one more thing... My grandfather is from a village in Kastoria called Kristalopigi (we call it Smardesh), and his father was a komitadzhi in the cheta of Ivan Popov..
My grandfather was telling me that they didn't have any problems with the macedonian greeks (real greeks), they had problems with kriteans !!!
The local greek population was very peacfull and scared... it was the critians that were making the problems..
Yes, the kriteans that Dragumi and Karavangelis were sending to Macedonia..

[Tsontos]

so Grecomans arent people? they dont count when they get slaughtered for refusing to be Bulgarians and never abandoning Hellenism?

and BTW I am Cretan and My grandfather fought in Macedonia. We fucked the Bulgarians and todays "confused" Bulgarians. and Bullshit the native Greeks gave no trouble to the Slavs. My grandfather told me that Macedonians are crazy bastards and the Slavs were scared shitless of them when they werent outnumbering the Greeks. the Bulgarians called them 'maniac Greeks'

Macedonians won Macedonia, us Cretans did what little we could. afterall, the VMRO had its support in Bulgaria so the Makedones needed support as well. piss off back to your commitern you confused bulgar

[Tsontos]

But Philip...

The IMORO wasn't kiling greeks (I mean real greeks, people that talked greek), but IMORO was killing slavs that didn't want to exept the exarchate..
Grecomans were being killed, not macedonian greeks..
..

I see anymore of this filth and your banned.

[akritas]

But Philip...

The IMORO wasn't kiling greeks (I mean real greeks, people that talked greek), but IMORO was killing slavs that didn't want to exept the exarchate..
Grecomans were being killed, not macedonian greeks..

And one more thing... My grandfather is from a village in Kastoria called Kristalopigi (we call it Smardesh), and his father was a komitadzhi in the cheta of Ivan Popov..
My grandfather was telling me that they didn't have any problems with the macedonian greeks (real greeks), they had problems with kriteans !!!
The local greek population was very peacfull and scared... it was the critians that were making the problems..
Yes, the kriteans that Dragumi and Karavangelis were sending to Macedonia..
The Creteans Greeks showed up in 1904, after 1903(Illinden) and the massacres of the Bulgarian and Slavmacedonian komtadjis against the local population!!!So how can you tell that the Creteans were the cause?

[Tchakalaroff]

We fucked the Bulgarians and todays "confused" Bulgarians.....you confused bulgar

Whach your language Vulgaroktonos....

You are lowering the level of this forum by talking this way :dry:

Please kindly moderate your words..

[Tsontos]

Tchakalaroff, my miseducated freind, to refer to Grecomans in that many is not tolerable on this forum. thank you dor understanding.

[Tchakalaroff]

Tchakalaroff, my miseducated freind, to refer to Grecomans in that many is not tolerable on this forum. thank you dor understanding.

OK, over with the duscussion about the grecomans :wacko:

[Tsontos]

Chapter I. - Goal
Art. 1. The goal of BMARC is to secure full political autonomy for the Macedonia and Adrianople regions
Art. 2. To achieve this goal they [the committees] shall raise the awareness of self-defense in the Bulgarian population in the regions mentioned in Art. 1., disseminate revolutionary ideas - printed or verbal, and prepare and carry on a general uprising

-Statute of the Bulgarian Macedonian-Adrianople Revolutionary Committees, founded in 1893, as it was known before being simply referred to as IMARO

:) ...

We talked a long time about the goal of this organization and at last we fixed it on autonomy of Macedonia with the priority of the Bulgarian element. We couldn't accept the position for "direct joining to Bulgaria" because we saw that it would meet big difficulties by reason of confrontation of the Great powers and the aspirations of the neighbouring small countries and Turkey. It passed through our thoughts that one autonomous Macedonia could easier unite with Bulgaria subsequently and if the worst comes to the worst, that it could play a role as a unificating link of a federation of Balkan people. The region of Adrianople, as far as I remember, didn't take part in our program, and I think the idea to add it to the autonomous Macedonia came late
/ Dr. Hristo Tatarchev, 1893/

When, in addition to these advantages, the Bulgarophil Macedonians started their marvellously-organised revolutionary committee in 1893, the Servian cause received its death-blow. By way of emphasising her antagonism to Bulgaria, official Servia now adopted an openly Turcophil policy, and nothing could be more fatal to the prospects of any Christian race in Turkey. The Macedonian peasantry will bestow their allegiance only on a propaganda which promises them some speedy prospect of release from the Ottoman yoke. Finally, there is this great difference between the rival propagandas, that while the Bulgarians are working for the autonomy of Macedonia, the Servians and the Greeks aim only at its annexation to their own country. The result is that their activities seem to be for the profit of their own land, whereas the Bulgarians are undoubtedly creating a spirit of local Macedonian patriotism. The Servian movement is a purely official agitation, guided and financed in Belgrade; whereas, despite the sympathy of Sofia, the Bulgarian Revolutionary Committee is a genuine Macedonian organisation.
/H. N. Brailsford , MACEDONIA: ITS RACES AND THEIR FUTURE, Methuen & Co., London, 1906

The general staff considers for its duty to pay attention of the honoured Bulgarian government to the catastrophic consequences for Bulgarian nation, in case the government doesn't fulfill its duty toward its homogeneous brothers here in an impressible and energetic way, imposed by the circumstances and the danger, which threaten Bulgarian fatherland today.
/A letter from the headquarters of the Second Macedonian-Adrianople revolutionary district, centered around Bitola, represented by Dame Gruev and Boris Sarafov, to Bulgarian government from 9. IX. 1903/


: „Prior to 1908, the Macedonian Bulgarians were the most militant element..."
/page 372 in the Turkish edition). Memoires of the Turkish national hero Enver Bey (Enver Pasha). /