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Orphic_Hymn
08-28-2006, 09:42 PM
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by Rabbi Shimon Apisdorf

Hellenism, the culture that blossomed in Athens, is the primary source of western civilization. In many ways America is the cultural by-product of ancient Greece.

We ourselves, whether we like it or not, are the heirs of the Greeks and the Romans. In a thousand different ways, they are permanently and indestructibly woven into the fabric of our own existence. ("The Founders of the Western World," by Michael Grant)

Hellenism, the culture that blossomed in Athens, is the primary source of western civilization. In many ways America is the cultural by-product of ancient Greece. Before the Greeks, everyone who lived in Europe was unlettered, uncultured and somewhat barbaric. It was the Greeks (followed by the Romans), who brought philosophy, the study of history, athletic competition, sophisticated literature, poetry, theater, architecture, urban planning and the concept of democracy to the modern world.

Historians insist that there is almost nothing in our society that doesn't have its roots in ancient Greece. Consider the United States Capitol building in Washington, D.C:

- the structural design is Greek architecture
- the form of government it houses was born in Greece
- the logic, philosophy and rhetoric that animate its debates originated in Greece


CULTURAL DOMINATION

If you're traveling somewhere in the world and you want to know if American culture has reached that place, don't look for an American flag. Look instead for McDonalds "Golden Arches."

Imagine: There are places in the world today where Levi jeans sell on the black market for 200 dollars. Croatia is starting to produce basketball players talented enough to be NBA All-Stars. And somewhere behind the Great Wall of China, countless teenagers are lining up for pirated CDs of rap music.

The Greeks would have been awfully jealous because this is exactly what they were trying to do with their culture. They wanted their philosophy, entertainment, arts, literature, theater and athletic games to become the defining elements for peoples' lives everywhere.

The Greeks were different from other empires. They didn't want your land, your resources or your riches. They wanted your mind.

And the Jews weren't willing to give that up!



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The Midrash compares the Greek exile to the darkness at the beginning of creation.

"No other two races have set such a mark upon the world. Each of them from angles so different have left us with the inheritance of its genius and wisdom. No two cities have counted more with mankind than Athens and Jerusalem. Personally, I have always been on the side of both." - Sir Winston Churchill

In the Chanukah story, the Jewish people put up no resistance when Alexander the Great's troops arrived. But they were quick to resist the enlightening cultural forces that the Greeks brought with them.

Why? After all, the Jews were a people who revered education, literacy and deep thinking. In this regard the Greeks should have been their soul mates -- another enlightened people in an otherwise darkened world.

PHILOSOPHICAL CLASH

Yet for all its beauty, Greek society was morally abhorrent to the Jewish world view.

In Greek society it was common for parents to kill newborn infants. Babies in Greece were routinely murdered by leaving them outside in a clay jar to die from exposure and starvation. The reasons parents would kill their children:

* Too many mouths to feed
* Too many heirs for a father to divide his estate amongst
* Sickness and deformity (in a society that revered the beautiful form of the human body)

Right behind infanticide on the list of what we today consider deviant behavior was pederasty. (Today we call it child molestation.)

"In most Greek communities the women were kept at home, and men spent their days with other men or boys. Artists paid special attention to the nude masculine form; and pederasty abounded. It was far more favored than homosexual relations between men and youths of the same age, and indeed a whole philosophy was built up around the pederastic situation, founded on the concept that the lover was the beloved's educator and military trainer."

- "The Founders of the Western World: A History of Greece and Rome," by Michael Grant

In Greece, the highest and purest form of love was something Jews considered to be the most heinous of crimes!

The Jewish people have always placed the utmost value on human life, and considered the relationship between a husband and a wife to be holy. That's why when the Greek culture came, the Jews said: "No!"

THE GREEK EXILE

Jewish historians label the period during which the events of Chanukah occurred as the "Greek exile." In the literal sense, however, no exile ever took place -- not one Jew was banished from the Land of Israel! Why then, do we refer to this period of history as exile?

The Midrash explains by comparing the Greek exile to the darkness at the beginning of creation. The first two lines of Genesis read: "In the beginning... the earth was empty... and darkness was upon the face of the deep." God's exclamation "Let there be Light" (Genesis 1:3) then banished the darkness. That was Day One.

But what exactly is this "Light" the Torah refers to? It cannot be referring to the physical light we're accustomed to; the sun and moon did not come into existence until Day Four!

This first "Light" must be understood as a reference to raw spiritual energy. The Greek exile is therefore seen as comparable to a universe lacking all spirituality -- a time of spiritual darkness immediately before the light of God is released into the world. Indeed, the 25th word of the Torah is Ohr -- "light" -- a reference to the 25th day of Kislev, when Chanukah begins!

Chanukah pushes away the Greek darkness.



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The Greeks wanted to tear out the heart of Judaism and reduce it to mere symbolism.


What was the Greek strategy for destroying Judaism?

Surprisingly, when the Greeks attacked the Holy Temple in Jerusalem, they didn't try to destroy it or burn it down. Rather, they defiled it. They offered pig sacrifices and brought a statue of Zeus into the Temple. The Greeks transformed the Temple into a house of idol worship. No longer did light stream from the Temple; the word of God was silenced.

The Greeks didn't want to totally destroy Judaism. Unlike Pharaoh in Egypt, Haman of the Purim story, or Hitler, the Greeks did not want to exterminate the Jews.

Rather, it was "Judaism as a way of life" that the Greeks opposed. They sought "li-Challel" -- literally, to make it empty. They wanted to defile Jewish holy objects. To tear the heart and meaning out of Judaism. To take away the depth and reduce it to symbolism. To sap its spiritual core and to render it impotent.

This explains why the Greeks carefully scoured the Temple grounds searching for pure flasks of oil (bearing the seal of the High Priest). They knew that defiling the oil would silence the light of the Menorah -- the light of Torah which reflects the depth and meaning of Jewish national and religious life. The Greeks knew that was the way to best "conquer" the Jewish nation.

The Kabbalists point out that the Hebrew name of Greece, Yavan, is spelled with the three "straight" Hebrew letters -- Yud, Vav and final Nun. Yavan's entire goal was to create a culture which was clean, straight -- and devoid of true substance.

This is precisely what the Maccabees were fighting against. Which explains why, when the Jews were victorious, they made it their first order of business to purify the Temple and light the Menorah.

OUR MESSAGE FOR TODAY

Is there anything really so objectionable about the Greek emphasis on beauty, athletics and the arts? What's so terrible about, "my son the sculptor," "my son the architect," or for that matter, "my son the javelin thrower."

How do we approach our own Judaism? Have we become Jews who reduce our observance to mere ritual, devoid of any meaning? Do we buy an expensive Mezuzah case, but settle for a cheap xerox copy of the holy passages inside? Do we host lavish Bar Mitzvah celebrations, but fail to give the Bar Mitzvah boy an authentic Jewish education?

It is perhaps the greatest irony that Chanukah, more than any other Jewish holiday, has been widely secularized. We give presents, spin dreidels, eat chocolate coins and fry latkes. The meaning of Chanukah remains largely unknown to the majority of Jews. Many American Jews stopped their Jewish education after Bar/Bat Mitzvah -- and are walking around with a 13-year-old's understanding of our heritage! We're handing the Greeks a posthumous victory!

In the flurry of winter gift-giving, Chanukah has lost much of its spiritual glow. It was this very trivialization that Judah and the Maccabees fought so hard against.

Should we give gifts? Of course! But there is more. This year, as the Chanukah flames burn bright, take the opportunity to re-ignite your love for Torah. There is no better way to honor the Maccabee victory... and to honor your own Jewish soul.


SOURCE (http://www.aish.com/chanukahthemes/chanukahthemesdefault/Hellenism_Who_Cares$.asp)
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Of course I took the liberty of posting my own little comment that has yet to be posted (not that it ever will) ..but do fell free to take this trash apart..

PhiliptheUniterchaeronea
08-28-2006, 11:22 PM
This chump is a real piece. At least he realizes who Alexander was, but they fool is doing what he says others do. Blames another culture (and vilifies one) for the problems of his own. Imagine that if you respond, he will respond by calling you anti-Semetic, and really take it to you. FOrget this Rabbi. Don't take his bait. He not worth it. Let him go spin his dreidle, I hope it is fun for him. He doesn't represent all Jews, he's just a hypocrit. Is his grandfather from Skopje? Doubt it, but wouldn't be surprised.

pankration
08-28-2006, 11:44 PM
I got this from the Jewish virtual library. See how the Jews themselves do not agree with our rabbi friend.

The story of Chanukah begins in the reign of Alexander the Great. Alexander conquered Syria, Egypt and Judea, but allowed the lands under his control to continue observing their own religions and retain a certain degree of autonomy. Under this relatively benevolent rule, many Jews assimilated much of Hellenistic culture, adopting the language, the customs, the dress, etc., in much the same way that Jews in America today blend into the secular American society.

More than a century later, a successor of Alexander, Antiochus IV was in control of the region. He began to oppress the Jews severely, placing a Hellenistic priest in the Temple, massacring Jews, prohibiting the practice of the Jewish religion, and desecrating the Temple by requiring the sacrifice of pigs (a non-kosher animal) on the altar. Two groups opposed Antiochus: a basically nationalistic group led by Mattathias the Hasmonean and his son Judah Maccabee, and a religious traditionalist group known as the Chasidim, the forerunners of the Pharisees (no direct connection to the modern movement known as Chasidism). They joined forces in a revolt against both the assimilation of the Hellenistic Jews and oppression by the Selucid Greek government. The revolution succeeded and the Temple was rededicated.
According to tradition as recorded in the Talmud, at the time of the rededication, there was very little oil left that had not been defiled by the Greeks. Oil was needed for the menorah (candelabrum) in the Temple, which was supposed to burn throughout the night every night. There was only enough oil to burn for one day, yet miraculously, it burned for eight days. An eight day festival was declared to commemorate this miracle. Note that the holiday commemorates the miracle of the oil, not the military victory: Jews do not glorify war.

Chanukah is not a very important religious holiday. The holiday's religious significance is far less than that of Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, Sukkot, Passover, and Shavu'ot. It is roughly equivalent to Purim in significance, and you won't find many non-Jews who have even heard of Purim! Chanukah is not mentioned in Jewish scripture; the story is related in the book of Maccabbees, which Jews do not accept as scripture.

I would also suggest that the good rabbi re-examine the bible. Yes the rules are there but the whole bible (the Old Testament/Pentateuch) is a chronology of how the Jews broke every commandment of God. It portrays a people who murder, rape, adulterize, kill children, worship idols, war etc. It is God's test of the people and the Jews, who believe they are the Chosen People, must recognize and reconcile their sins as part of their spiritual growth and that is actually a beautiful thing that God has given them. But to have the audacity to say that Greeks are somehow solely responsible for the sins of mankind is not only ludicrous, it is insulting. I proudly state that I am a great friend of the Jewish people and if this clown wants to call me anti-semitic, let him. He obviously fails to see the beauty of both cultures and as a man of faith he should be ashamed of himself.

PhiliptheUniterchaeronea
08-29-2006, 12:39 AM
Great find Pankration. I knew this guy was a fool.

olvios
08-29-2006, 05:35 AM
ena paradeigma

Orphic_Hymn
08-29-2006, 08:40 AM
Well to be honest I find that 'Jewish virtual library' quite bias, presenting a conveniently manipulated version of what took place..

Channuka is a celebration of allegedly driving the bad ol' Hellines that oppressed them out of their temple as seen through the invented historic episode of the 'Maccabees'..
The very fact that it suggests that the Maccabees had correspondance with Areius, King of Sparta, who allegedly wrote of kinship, since they were decendants of Abraham. Should have struck all those that support the Maccabee myth.. Areius lived over 100 prior to the alleged uprising..

Since I wrote to the Rabbi, I started looking into the issue a bit more. I fell on the Jewish Encyclopedia, which is presented online as it was originally published between 1901-6..

Here under the entry 'Dionysus, festival of" we read:

II Maccabees.

Historic notices regarding a supposed festival of Dionysus in Judea do not antedate the time of the Maccabees. The general statement in I Maccabees (i. 51, 54, 55) that Antiochus Epiphanes forced the Jews to sacrifice in the Greek fashion, is amplified in II Maccabees (vi. 7; compare III Macc. ii. 29) into the statement that the Jews were forced to take part in the festivals of Dionysus and to deck themselves with ivy (κίσσος); hence Hippolytus ("De Antichristo," pp. 33-35, § 49), a Church father of the second century, regards Antiochus Epiphanes as the prototype of Antichrist. The entire story, however, is regarded as unhistorical. Even the account in III Maccabees, where Egyptian matters are referred to, is not plausible; for though Dionysus was the tutelar deity of the Egyptian Ptolemies, whereas the Syrian Seleucids always worshiped Zeus (Willrich, "Judaica," p. 163, Göttingen, 1900), the Dionysia were celebrated in every country that had come under the influence of Greek culture. Antiochus XI. even bore the by-name "Dionysus" (Josephus, "Ant." xiii. 15, § 1; "B. J." i. 4, § 7); and Nicanor, the general of Demetrius, threatened to consecrate a Temple at Jerusalem to Dionysus unless Judas Maccabeus was delivered to him (II Macc. xiv. 33). The Seleucids may therefore have forced the Jews to a similar worship.

It is certain (III Macc. ii. 29) that the Jews of Egypt were forced to worship Dionysus, although this religious persecution took place probably only within the nomos of Arsinoe. It is further said (ib. ii. 30): "Should any among them prefer to enter the community of those initiated into the mysteries, they shall receive the same civic rights as the Alexandrians." Hence the citizenship of the Egyptian Jews was dependent, under Ptolemy IV. Philopator, on their taking part in the worship of Dionysus (Lumbroso, "Ricerche Alessandrine," p. 49, Turin, 1871; Abrahams, in "Jew. Quart. Rev." ix. 56); and as the Jews could not accept this condition, they probably did not become full citizens under that king.

pankration
08-29-2006, 05:32 PM
I purposely chose the Jewish Library to show that even a biased site like that contravenes what the rabbi had said about the importance of Chanukah.

Orphic_Hymn
08-30-2006, 12:46 PM
I purposely chose the Jewish Library to show that even a biased site like that contravenes what the rabbi had said about the importance of Chanukah.
I understood your post, I just pointed it out cause I've seen some of their articles conveniently used against us on other issues.

Euklid
08-30-2006, 03:18 PM
Guys, am sure that you will find a lot of contradictions about these old matters.

However the Chanukah is their main festival and it is "dedicated" to the Greek cause of destroying their religion.

When the Seleukids tried to usurp their legacy by translating the Torah from Hebrew to Greek, they created the Chanukah in order to keep their tradition alive, orally.

I do not find any of this insulting or new. I am just glad that even them(Jews) are still afaraid of the Greek challengers.

That gives me "hope" in a way considering how our lobbies have gone weak in the Political Scenario.

Nice article and i believe that the Rabbi has given us a lot of credit for many things, credit that many non-Greeks fail to recognise.

Euklid
08-31-2006, 01:19 PM
The Greeks would have been awfully jealous* because this is exactly what they were trying to do with their culture. They wanted their philosophy, entertainment, arts, literature, theater and athletic games to become the defining elements for peoples' lives everywhere.

The Greeks were different from other empires. They didn't want your land, your resources or your riches. They wanted your mind.



Would have or still are.....this is the the biggest mistake he makes in his passage.

He implies our discontinuation, on a matter eagering to awake new-Jews about their religion and their customs!:wacko:

So Mr Rabbi if you imply that the New-Greeks are not Greeks anymore, how do you consider your self a Jew, when most of your co-Jews do not even know the basics(Chanukah) as you confess?:nono:

While we all are pretty much familiar with what the Olympics stand for?


We still want your mind and still have it!

Mundo Basket is still ON, and as it seems the Glory of Hellas will shine once more along with its creation the athletic spirit and the conception of World Games.

Euklid
08-31-2006, 02:18 PM
UNBRIDGEABLE SCHISM

"Here lies the unbridgeable schism between Israel and the philosophers of Greece. Israel's is a theocentric world, employing thought and logic to understand that which is accessible to logic. But Greece's is a homo-centric world, using reason to define its boundaries.

Even if the thinkers of Greece had understood and accepted God and Torah, it would have been because they perceived it and understood it thus. While we believe that God created man, to their view it is man's understanding that created God.

It is in this aspect that Greek philosophy was a darkness infinitely worse than idolatry.

For an idolator can still understand the world to be theo-centered, and if he searches long enough, he will find the initial cause -- like the conclusion in Abraham's debate with Nimrod, the fire worshipper: "Worship water, for it is stronger than fire; worship clouds, for they are stronger than water; worship winds..." (Bereishit Rabbah 38:8).

By following this chain of thought, one can someday arrive at the ultimate destination: the one true God. By contrast, once a person is locked in the vicious cycle of self-belief, he has no hope of exiting. Even if someone convinces him of the truth of God and the Torah, he is still the god; he believes because he believes! His awareness-cum-belief encompasses the two "I's" of philosophy: the "I" of thought and the "I" of existence.

Various rabbis have been quoted as saying that all philosophy is worthless, save for Kant's. One feels that this refers to the elements in Kant's philosophy that limits the scope of philosophy itself (i.e. critique of pure reasoning). By showing that philosophy is limited and cannot be used as a parameter of existence, Kant took a courageous step in the right direction.

An Orthodox Jew who has occasion to mingle with people far removed from Torah, whether Jewish or not, may often find himself treated with respect or understanding regarding his way of life and practices. Yet one point always seems to bother others: "Judaism's nice, but you don't really believe that a God came down and told you to do all these things, do you?"

In light of this, it is no accident that Greek idols possessed human characteristics -- they were super-people with human frailties on a mammoth scale. But in essence, it was humankind as a whole that was being idolized.

A Western journalist visiting India ridiculed the animal worship so rampant there. The Indian countered, "But you, too, worship an animal."

The journalist inquired, "Which animal?"

"Man," answered the Indian."


It is this animal though, that controls over the animals(icl. theirs)

And it is this animal(man) to worship, cause it is He,Me,You,Us who can take us to the sky.

It is not the sky that will be brought before us, but us who will examine, reason and understand it.



Oh, Man, i just love these discussions, anyway i find these rabbies there to be very accurate about the Greeks. I would never expect that these theories in my head to be put on paper by such ancient rivals like the Jews.


And one more thing Mr Rabbi, if it is only through the theo-centric path to exit and enter other realms, then how does Music and Art function when they take you to Ecstasy?

And why do you not have any rythm?


Maybe, your people kept you too much under this theo-centric world, that you actually forgot the super-doings of Men.