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Old 08-10-2007, 10:12 AM
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This article is a responce to the nationalist Slavmacedonian Organization UMD article that post here


What is the rightful name of the FYRepublic of Macedonia?
  • From the very beginning of FYROM'S independence, Greece declared it had no claims on FYROM'S territory. Greece's only serious grievance was, and still is, the use by FYROM of the name "Macedonia" and its derivatives.
  • Greece has already compromises by accepted the name “Macedonia” in the Interim Accord of 1995(former Yugoslavia Republic of Macedonia)
  • Skopje must also understand Greece's sensitivity on this issue, because for more than fifty years the name problem has always been used as a pretext to create an independent and united Macedonia, which, if it had been achieved, would have meant the shrinking of Greece's territory and the loss of the precious Macedonian inheritance.
  • Slavmacedonians leaders must accept the reality that FYROM'S multiethnic conglomerate population, not really "Macedonian" nut also Albanian, Bulgarians, Serbs and Greeks.
  • Slavmacedonians must realize that does not have the right to acquire, by international recognition, an advantage enjoyed by no other state in the world: to use a name which of itself propagandizes territorial aspiratioils
Does the FYRepublic of Macedonia want to absorb a territorial region of Greece?

Yes and this seems everywhere. From the books and the writings.Great example is the Brief Historical Summary that Skopje post in the EAPC-Security forum that speak for interritism. Some critical points are

  • Skopje talk for civil war forget it to mention that this civil war was between Greeks and the involment of the Tito Regime via the Slavmacedonains of the Vardar region and the SouthWest Macedonia.
  • The usage the term Aegean Macedonia. Is a nationalistMacedonian Slav term used to refer to the region of Macedonia in Greece, in the context of a United Macedonia. The origins of the term seem to be rooted in the 1940s but its modern usage is widely considered ambiguous and irredentist.
http://www.eapc-ohrid.gov.mk/default.aspx?id=20Do



FYROMacedonian textbooks claim that their country should extend into Greece?


The Society of the Macedonian Studies(Etairia Makedonikon Spoudon) publish in July 2007 a book as that has as title ...Macedonism, The Skopjan Imperialism 1944-2006, efesos publisher. In this book you can see many proves that show the Slavmacedonian interritism against Greek History and HERITAGE. Some pictures of the maps that are in FYROM textbooks you can see it bellow

In this first map (8th Grade,2005, page 54) you can see in the Yellow line the ethnotical borders as they imagine the FYROMacedonian nationalists and this include of course the Greek Macedonia(Green part)





In the below second map (7th Grade, 2005, page 120) you can see the geographical-ethnotiical borders as they imagine the FYROMacedonian nationalists








Does the FYRepublic of Macedonia promote ‘hostile activity’ against Greece?
  • The sudden “epidemic” manifesting itself through the erection of monuments, the renaming of streets, airports, etc., with names of Ancient Greek historical origin is a “hostile activity”
  • The usage of the Greek Symbol Vergina Star from the Slavamcedonians officials is a is a “hostile activity”.
Great example is the PM Gruenski



  • The brief historical summaries that are post in the FYROMacedonian web sites (Empassies, conferences, summits e.t.c.) are full of unaccuracies, lies and interetism and is a hostile activity.Great example is the below quote from the FYROMacedonian Embassy London
However, in 1912 and 1913 three Balkan states - Bulgaria, Serbia and Greece, waged the Balkan wars intending to conquer and divide Macedonia between them. The Balkan Wars between Greece, Bulgaria and Serbia ended with the treaty of Bucharest in 1913, with which, in spite of the protests of the ethnic Macedonians, Macedonia was divided into three parts

In that time we didnt have any protest of any "erthnic Macedonian" and not any Unite Macedonia!With this quote FYROM Government dipute OPEN the present borders by queried the Bucharest Treaty.
What is the Interim Agreement between the FYRepublic of Macedonia and Greece?

Article 7 of the Interim Accord between Greece and FYROM (1995) states the following:


“If either Party believes one or more symbols constituting part of its historic or cultural patrimony is being used by the other Party, it shall bring such alleged use to the attention of the other Party, and the other Party shall take appropriate corrective action or indicate why it does not consider it necessary to do so


For unknown reasons Greek governments show a strange political patience and indigence in the escalate FYROMacedonian hostile activity(symbols, names interritism, ultranationalism e.t.c.) since is known that Interim Accord is ended in 2002.FYROM want monopolistically to claiming titles, both geographical and historical. If in the future this trend spreads into the economic sector and FYROM seeks exclusive use of derivatives of the Macedonian name in copyright, commercial titles and product names, the name problem could create severe problems—and not just in international relations.

Consequently, Greek people demand from the FYROM:
  • The essential, and actual, recognition of Greece’s sovereignty over the entire Greek territory with ACTS and with TALKS. This simply means that Greek Macedonia—from the prefectures of Kastoria and Florina in the west to Drama in the east—cannot be referred to in public documents, maps and school textbooks of neighboring countries as ‘Aegean Macedonia under Greek rule.’ After all, its name is internationally known as ‘Greek Macedonia.’
By the same measure, today’s official place names in Greek Macedonia should be respected.
  • Respect for the Greeks’ Macedonian cultural identity and heritage. The erection of a statue to Alexander the Great in Skopje and the rename of Skopje airport in with the name of the Great Greek Historical Leader, as ridiculous as it may seem, would invariably sustain cultural antagonisms.
more information for the FYROM hostility to the Greek people and Greece in

http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/for...ian-sides.html

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What is the rightful name of the Republic of Macedonia?

The Republic of Macedonia rejects the name "The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM)" in favor of its constitutional name, the "Republic of Macedonia," as chosen by the Macedonian people and enshrined in their constitution.

This is a position shared by 120 other nations, including the United States, which officially recognized the Republic of Macedonia by its constitutional name in 2004. In addition to the United States, two other permanent members of the UN Security Council, the Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China also recognize the Republic of Macedonia by its constitutional name.

Greece and the Republic of Macedonia have yet to reach a mutually acceptable solution on this issue, although U.N.-mediated negotiations continue.

The Republic of Macedonia has always taken the position that it does not hold exclusive rights over the name Macedonia in geographic, cultural, historic, or commercial terms.

One country does not have the right to dictate to another country what it can call itself. The Republic of Macedonia earned the right to self-determination when it declared its independence from Yugoslavia in 1991.
Does the Republic of Macedonia want to absorb a territorial region of Greece?

Greece and the Republic of Macedonia both include areas of the historic geographic region of Macedonia; Greece is or was purportedly concerned that the Republic of Macedonia has irredentist ambitions against Greece's region of Macedonia.

In 1995, Macedonia reinforced the "no-change" of borders provision of its Constitution adding that it shall "have no territorial claim against neighboring states."
A small, developing, multi-ethnic democracy with only 2 million people could not and will not take over land that belongs to Greece, a large, established country of over 10 million people. Furthermore, Macedonia wants only peace with its neighbor.
Do Macedonian textbooks claim that their country should extend into Greece?

There have been reports that a Macedonian Military Academy textbook contains maps showing that a "Greater Macedonia" extends many miles south into Greece to Mount Olympus and miles east to Mount Pirin in Bulgaria.
The book in question is no longer in use in the academy, and the maps that H. Res. 356 refers to were originally drawn in the 1800s by non-Macedonians. Furthermore, such maps depict the entire historic geographic scope of Macedonia and are presented in a historical context, not in a current or "irredentist" light.

The textbooks used in the general educational system in the Republic of Macedonia do not contain any maps of this kind and any claims to the contrary are simply false.
Does the Republic of Macedonia promote `hostile activity' against Greece?

The use of the phrase "hostile activity" is not only inappropriate but antagonistic towards the Republic of Macedonia. As the only former Yugoslav country to peacefully establish independence in 1991, the Republic of Macedonia has constantly met terms while working with the United States, NATO and the European Union and their actions have been contrary toward "hostile activity."
History books are many times re-written to tell a current story, where history books should be reporting history as it was. In the 1900s, maps of Macedonia showed the northern region of Greece and the current Republic of Macedonia on the map as one. As an image, that is neither propaganda nor a hostile activity, because it is simply the region as it existed at that time.

What is the Interim Agreement between the Republic of Macedonia and Greece?

The UN-brokered Interim Agreement forced upon the Republic of Macedonia in 1995 as an end to the Greek Embargo achieved several Greek aims including:
a tentative reference term for the Republic of Macedonia at the UN and within certain international bodies, and new national symbols for the Republic of Macedonia unrelated to the historic Macedonian reality.

Amendments to the Republic of Macedonia's Constitution reinforcing the "no-change" of borders provision contained therein without a corresponding amendment to the Constitution of Greece.

However, throughout this humiliation, Macedonia has revealed itself as more than willing to compromise by proposing a resolution to the "name dispute."

Notwithstanding the Republic of Macedonia's efforts and the concessions it has already made, Greece continues to incredulously refer to Macedonian "intransigence" on the purported "name issue.

Contrary to Greek claims, the Interim Agreement did not change the Republic of Macedonia's name, but only required that a tentative reference term be used for the Republic of Macedonia at the UN and within certain international bodies.

Despite provisions of the Interim Agreement barring Greece from opposing the Republic of Macedonia's accession to the EU and NATO under the provisional reference term allowed by such agreement, Greece is threatening to veto the Republic of Macedonia's EU and NATO accessions even with the Republic of Macedonia being admitted to such bodies under the provisional reference term.

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NOTHING, meto koloski (UMD sent it ) as Voulgaroktonos correct said. Below is the initial post. I will try to post my answer.


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