Exposing Jordan Piperkata Propaganda

[akritas]

In this thread I will start to expose the propagandistics posts of the known Skopjan Jordan Piperkata.
I will start with the known Macedonian found in a book about the Greek Revolution, 1832!


In this propagandistic claim Piperkata contribute to the internet a cutting quote from the book “History Of The Greek Revolution” of Thomas Gordon and support that he find a....Macedonian




But what is the truth.....Except that the writer clearly mention that he was a ethnic Russian from Macedonia , the British Thomas Gordon in page 385 describes clearly the ethnic census in Macedonia during that period.




He found Greeks, Turks and Bulgarians.

.....to be continued

[Truth Bearer]

Bravo Akrita well done..Piperi I have been telling you for ages what you are a thief!!
Go and put that on yr propaganda web site!!

[akritas]

Piperkata contribute a post with the title ...Macedonian a race according to US Bureau of Immigration 1899!
He uses the below scanning picture



The article is called “The Economic Investigations of the United States Immigration Commission” by W. Jett Lauck, published in “The Journal of Political Economy”, Vol. 18, No. 7, (Jul., 1910), pp. 525-549. This is from page 527.

In this picture we can read also the separates North and South Italian races --if we following Piperkata propagadistic ratiocination

Lets see what what is the reality as about the Immigration Statistics given from ......the US Immigration Services



MACEDONIAN (see Bulgarian) .....no further comment

[kostas68]

And who spoke <makedonski> in Greece at this time (1899 or 1910),since Macedonia wasn't yet part of Greece,so there couldn't live ethnic <makedontsite> in Greece?It's apparent that either the book which piperis mentions wasn't published at this time or our friend falsificated something,me alla logia pali kapoia poustia tha'kane.

[akritas]

Piperkata found again Macedonians in ...Memoirs of Baron De Tott, 1786!
Following Chris Philipou article from Mak Truth blog....

Nationalists from the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (F.Y.R.O.M) along with their diaspora cohorts constantly inundate internet forums and blogs with obscure references to "Macedonians" in historical texts with the implication that the authors of the texts were referring to 'ethnic Macedonians' akin to those who currently self describe as such.
Prior to the mid to late 19th century the descriptor "Macedonian" had no ethnic significance. It was a geographic descriptor used to describe inhabitants of the region regardless of their ethnicity. Unfortunately, in the minds of nationalists from F.Y.R.O.M and her diaspora, everyone from Alexander the Great to Gotse Delchev was an 'ethnic Macedonian'!

An example of a nationalist who scours historical texts for any references to "Macedonians" and then posts the reference in multiple internet forums as proof for a continuous and archaic "Macedonian" ethnos is an individual who posts under the pseudonym of "Jordan Piperkata". The following is taken from Mr. Piperkata's website where he has taken an excerpt from Baron De Tott's 18th century memoirs as evidence of the existence of a "Macedonian ethnicity" during the 1700's.



Knowing that the "Macedonian" ethno/national identity is a mid to late 19th century construct I had a strong sense that Mr. Piperkata was probably omitting passages from De Tott that would put his excerpts into context. After all, Mr. Piperkata has a history of misrepresenting quotes on the internet. I found the reference that Mr. Piperkata posted and I read the whole context of the excerpt he has posted on his blog and on the nationalist website maknews.com.

It turns out that Mr. Piperkata omitted the last paragraphs from the last page of De Tott's excerpts that elaborate on the indentity of the Macedonians Baron De Tott described.

I will provide the complete context of the excerpt where Baron De Tott described an altercation between some Turks and his Macedonian Workers. De Tott was managing the building of a castle and he had 1500 Macedonian workers to assist him. One day he gave his workers (The Macedonians) leave and this led to an altercation between a Turkish and Macedonian individual where their respective compatriots got involved. The last page of the excerpt described how Baron De Tott tried to obtain security for his workers from the Vesir. It is in the last paragraph that Mr. Piperkata omitted that De Tott described his Macedonian workers as GREEK!

Here is the whole context. Make sure to pay special attention to the last page and the last paragraph that was omitted by Mr. Piperkata:













As the last paragraph states, after the altercation between the Macedonians and the Turks, Baron De Tott tried to get indemnity (protection or security) for the GREEKS from the Vesir. If he did not consider the Macedonians to be GREEKS why would he make this statement?

Thank you Chris Philipou for your help to exposing the Skopjans propagandistic lies of Jordan Piperkata.

[akritas]

Piperkata claim again that found Macedonians in the book “The New Immigration: A Study Of The Industrial And Social Life Of The Southeastern Europeans In America” by Peter Roberts, Ph.D. from 1912.

He uses again cutting quotes in order to erase the geographic descriptor and transform it to ethnotical.

Here an example of the book...





But who are these Macedonians ?

The same author in the book "Immigrant races in North America. New York : The Young Men's Christian Association Press, 1910" was clear........

[kostas68]

Originally Posted by akritas

Piperkata found again Macedonians in ...Memoirs of Baron De Tott, 1786!
Following Chris Philipou article from Mak Truth blog....

Nationalists from the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (F.Y.R.O.M) along with their diaspora cohorts constantly inundate internet forums and blogs with obscure references to "Macedonians" in historical texts with the implication that the authors of the texts were referring to 'ethnic Macedonians' akin to those who currently self describe as such.
Prior to the mid to late 19th century the descriptor "Macedonian" had no ethnic significance. It was a geographic descriptor used to describe inhabitants of the region regardless of their ethnicity. Unfortunately, in the minds of nationalists from F.Y.R.O.M and her diaspora, everyone from Alexander the Great to Gotse Delchev was an 'ethnic Macedonian'!

An example of a nationalist who scours historical texts for any references to "Macedonians" and then posts the reference in multiple internet forums as proof for a continuous and archaic "Macedonian" ethnos is an individual who posts under the pseudonym of "Jordan Piperkata". The following is taken from Mr. Piperkata's website where he has taken an excerpt from Baron De Tott's 18th century memoirs as evidence of the existence of a "Macedonian ethnicity" during the 1700's.



Knowing that the "Macedonian" ethno/national identity is a mid to late 19th century construct I had a strong sense that Mr. Piperkata was probably omitting passages from De Tott that would put his excerpts into context. After all, Mr. Piperkata has a history of misrepresenting quotes on the internet. I found the reference that Mr. Piperkata posted and I read the whole context of the excerpt he has posted on his blog and on the nationalist website maknews.com.

It turns out that Mr. Piperkata omitted the last paragraphs from the last page of De Tott's excerpts that elaborate on the indentity of the Macedonians Baron De Tott described.

I will provide the complete context of the excerpt where Baron De Tott described an altercation between some Turks and his Macedonian Workers. De Tott was managing the building of a castle and he had 1500 Macedonian workers to assist him. One day he gave his workers (The Macedonians) leave and this led to an altercation between a Turkish and Macedonian individual where their respective compatriots got involved. The last page of the excerpt described how Baron De Tott tried to obtain security for his workers from the Vesir. It is in the last paragraph that Mr. Piperkata omitted that De Tott described his Macedonian workers as GREEK!

Here is the whole context. Make sure to pay special attention to the last page and the last paragraph that was omitted by Mr. Piperkata:













As the last paragraph states, after the altercation between the Macedonians and the Turks, Baron De Tott tried to get indemnity (protection or security) for the GREEKS from the Vesir. If he did not consider the Macedonians to be GREEKS why would he make this statement?

Thank you Chris Philipou for your help to exposing the Skopjans propagandistic lies of Jordan Piperkata.

Somebody must throw this on piperi's face.

[Truth Bearer]

poor piperi a vlach wanting to be a wannabe "Macedonian" how sad is that trying to steal someone else's history and manipulating it too so it can suit his purposes....THIEF and PILLAGER of Hellenic history!!!

[akritas]

Piperkata contribute in the net........The charter of Alexander The Macedonian, found in the book by Orbini, 1601!



He writes (and bold)

Title page of the book by Mauro Orbini from 1601.

THE CHARTER OF ALEXANDER THE MACEDONIAN

“WE, ALEXANDER, son of Phillip, King of Macedonia, Prince of the Monarchy, appointed as a creator of Greek empire, from Nataban announced as the child of the great Zeus, ruler of the Augusts, and of Bramans and of Arbonites, from sunrise to sunset, from south up until north, to the noble nation of Slavs we wish kindness, peace and health. We and our followers who will succeed us in ruling the world, because you have been consistent in faith, valiant in fights and our leaders and heroic fighters, we apportion you and freely donate you forever this whole part of the land, to North up until southern borders with Italy; and with such right, which nobody but you, must not stay long here; nor inhabit, nor live there. If, however, anyone stays longer here, may he become your slave, and his children, slaves to your children.

This Privilege is given in the new city of Alexandria, whom we created by the great Nile river, in the twelfth year of our ruling, under protection of the great god Zeus and Mars, Pluto and goddess Athens. Witnesses to this act are the noble Athleta, our treasurer, together with the other eleven princes whom we have appointed, after our death, as our general successors, considering the fact that we haven’t got any children.”

From the book “The Kingdom of the Slavs” by Mauro Orbini, published in 1601, in Pezaro.
This is Alexanders legacy to his people, the Macedonians, who became Glorious, and hence forth were also kown as the Slavjani(Slavs).

I write and I bold..........


WE, ALEXANDER, son of Phillip, King of Macedonia, Prince of the Monarchy, appointed as a creator of Greek empire, from Nataban announced as the child of the great Zeus, ruler of the Augusts, .....................................

[Truth Bearer]

What Slavs is Orbini taling about??