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Old 04-27-2006, 07:44 AM
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One from my favour ancient writer (the other is Strabo) is the Diodoros Sikeliotis or Siculus as is the Latin term of the Sicelian.

I ve start with the best quotes regarding the connection between Macedonians and Greeks. I know is hurt to speak for Greekness from the most one Greek ancient tribes.But our cause is to show in the world what is written in the Greek history and not those that was to present the Skopjan Propaganda.

MY FAVOUR QUOTE
Didoros Sikeliotis in his reference regarding the battle of Thebeans when Macedonians broke the line and intrude in the city.
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So it was that many terrible things befell the city. Greeks were mercilessly slain by Greeks, relatives were butchered by their own relatives, and even a common dialect induced no pity. In the end, when night finally intervened, the houses had been plundered and children and women and aged persons who had fled into the temples were torn from sanctuary and subjected to outrage without limit.

[Diodoros Siceliotis 17-13-6]
In my opinion in this quote t must be as the arrow against Skopjan propagnda.
Diodoros is the first ancient writer that spoke for Greek Civil War.....
Greeks against Greeks and of course ............... Greeks that spoke common language
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First he [Alexander] dealt with the Thessalians, reminding them of his ancient relationship to them through Heracles and raising their hopes by kindly words and by rich promises as well, and prevailed upon them by formal vote of the Thessalian League to recognize as his the leadership of Greece which he had inherited from his father
(Diodoros Sikeliotis - 17.4.1)

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Next he won over the neighbouring tribes similarly, and so marched down to Pylae, where he convened the assembly of the Amphictyons and had them pass a resolution granting him the leadership of the Greeks
(Diodoros Sikeliotis - 17.4.2)

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He [Demosthenes] was generally believed to have received large sums of money from that source in payment for his efforts to check the Macedonians, and indeed Aeschines is said to have referred to this in a speech when he taunted Demosthenes with his venality:At the moment, it is true, his extravagance has been glutted by the king's gold, but even this will not satisfy him; no wealth has ever proved sufficient for a greedy character.
(Diodoros Sikeliotis - 17.4.8)

Its obvious Demosthenes was funded by the Great king of Persia thus all his allegations against Macedon are considered totally biased.

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Then he [Alexander] called a meeting at Corinth of envoys and delegates, and when the usual representatives came, he spoke to them in moderate terms and had them pass a resolution appointing him general plenipotentiary of the Greeks and undertaking themselves to join in an expedition against Persia seeking satisfaction for the offences which the Persians had committed against Greece.
(Diodoros Sikeliotis - 17.4.9)

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Soon, however, when Alexander's vigour and rapidity of action had secured for him the leadership of all Greece and made evident the ability of the young man, then Dareius took warning and began to pay serious attention to his forces
(Diodoros Sikeliotis - 17.7.2)


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He [Alexander] made his forces ready for battle, then announced through a herald that any of the Thebans who wished might come to him and enjoy the peace which was common to all the Greeks
(Diodoros Sikeliotis - 17.9.5)

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In Athens, where Demosthenes kept agitating against Macedon, the news of Philip's death was received with rejoicing, and the Athenians were not ready to concede the leading position among the Greeks to Macedon
(Diodoros Sikeliotis 17.3.1)
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Similarly, the Thebans voted to drive out the garrison in the Cadmeia and not to concede to Alexander the leadership of the Greeks.
(Diodoros Sikeliotis 17.3.4)
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The king gave burial to the Macedonian dead, more than five hundred in number, and then calling a meeting of the representatives of the Greeks put before the common council the question what should be done with the city of the Thebans. [2] When the discussion was opened, certain men who were hostile to the Thebans began to recommend that they should be visited with the direst penalties, and they pointed out that they had taken the side of the barbarians against the Greeks. For in the time of Xerxes they had actually joined forces with the Persians and campaigned against Greece, and alone of the Greeks were honoured as benefactors by the Persian kings, so that the ambassadors of the Thebans were seated on thrones set in front of the kings. [3] They related many other details of similar tenor and so aroused the feelings of the council against the Thebans that it was finally voted to raze the city, to sell the captives, to outlaw the Theban exiles from all Greece, and to allow no Greek to offer shelter to a Theban. [4] The king, in accordance with the decree of the council, destroyed the city, and so presented possible rebels among the Greeks with a terrible warning
(Diodoros Sikeliotis 17.14.1)

This one is extremely interesting. First from all, Alexander "calls a meeting of the Greeks" - another proof they were considered Greeks hence they were participating - for deciding what will happen with the fate of Thebes. Its obvious, on the contrary of the pseudo-historians of FYROM, that a man like Alexander isnt the hostile conqueror they strive so much to prove but the uniter of Greece. A conqueror neither would call a meeting asking for the representative's opinions but would act as he pleased.

Alexander not only called a meeting but the city of Thebes was razed due to the actions and proofs brought from "certain men who were hostile to the Thebans " (non Macedonians). Here it is leveled the common flawed Skopjan claim that Alexander rased down Thebes because he hated Greeks..
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It would be a disgrace, he [Alexander] pointed out, for one who had been appointed by Greece to command the war, and who had inherited his father's invincible forces, to sit at home celebrating a marriage and awaiting the birth of children
Diodoros Sikeliotis 17.16.2
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Along with lavish display of every sort, Philip included in the procession statues of the twelve Gods wrought with great artistry and adorned with a dazzling show of wealth to strike awe to the beholder, and along with these was conducted a thirteenth statue, suitable for a god, that of Philip himself, so that the king exhibited himself enthroned among the twelve Gods. Every seat in the theater was taken when Philip appeared wearing a white cloak and by his express orders his bodyguard held away from him and followed only at a distance, since he wanted to show publicly that he was protected by the goodwill of all the Hellenes, and had no need of a guard of spearmen.
[Diodoros Sikeliotis 17-92-5]

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Is considered this king (Philip) began his monarchy with the bad conditions and he conquered the bigger monarchy of Hellenes increasing the hegemony no so much with the heroism of arms, as long as with the skilful handlings and his diplomacy
[Diodoros Sikeliotis 16-95-1]
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I sure hope you guys are doing your phds in the Classics. Well done gentlemen.
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The fact that Philip deified himself in the Hellenic religion is proof that the Macedonians shared the same faith as the OTHER Greeks. Too many historians equate Philip's consolidation of the Hellenic city states with Chaeronea. What FYROMians always neglect to mention is that Philip had ALREADY consolidated most of Hellas through diplomatic means, including strategic marriages! Any fool can see that you don't build up a UNION of different states by imposing the will of a foreigner. At Chaeronea, Philip had the ALLIANCE of several Greek city-states just as the Athenians had the alliance of Thebes and others. The Spartans and their allies stayed out of it. Remember too, both the Athenians and Thebans had at one time or another done business with or allied themselves with the Persians. Does that make them traitors? Persians? Unfortunately, the Greek city states were fraticidal and as the previous posts show, quite prone to civil wars. The key term here is civil wars--wars fought between people of a common geography and ethnos.
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