Macedonia, 1 A.D. to 1100 A.D.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Originally Posted by Mygdonia

Here --

A through coverage of the themata.



It explicitly states, I am not going to bother going through it right now -- there were population movements and a reconstruction of the army. Yes the Bulk of the army was involved in Thessaloniki. Considering the Thracians were more or less mauled by the barbarian Bulgarian horde. There was some form of population replenishment between Philipopoulis, Constantinople & Thessalonika in that specific triangle.

Basil II was not only a military leader but also looked after the 'peasantry' and supplied them with much crops in that specific triangle. Many Byzantines fleed much futher south during the Bulgarian invasion.

Maybe you didn't understand the question. The question is why did Macedonia shift to Thrace. Nothing to do with what followed, like the Macedonian dynasty. You are the one who should STICK TO THE QUESTION.

IF YOU CANNOT ANSWER IT, LET SOMEONE ELSE DO IT DAMNED IT...

...OTHERWISE MACEDONIA IS STILL EAST OF ALL THE LANDS CALLED MACEDONIA RIGHT NOW...

[Mygdonia]

The question is why did Macedonia shift to Thrace.

This is his question, right?

...and an answer was given.. you didn't like the answer so you have a hiissy fit?

Take your bex and lie down.

You posted it, there are no restriction of what or what can not be posted as far as I can see.

Or do you want me to repeat it, or have you never heard of Skleros & Phokas and their revolts?

Bah....trelathikes nomizo.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Originally Posted by Mygdonia

This is his question, right?

...and an answer was given.. you didn't like the answer so you have a hiissy fit?

Take your bex and lie down.

You posted it, there are no restriction of what or what can not be posted as far as I can see.

Or do you want me to repeat it, or have you never heard of Skleros & Phokas and their revolts?

Bah....trelathikes nomizo.

I think that my points were sufficiently substantiated, via wikipedia. You have NO IDEA OF WHAT I AM TRYING TO PROVE. SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH BRAIN CAPACITY TO EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM ASKING.

READING A BOOK ABOUT A DIFFERENT ERA DOES NOT HELP YOU AT ALL. YOU ARE AT LEAST 2 CENTURIES OUT OF THE SUBJECT.

[Mygdonia]

The subject is why Macedonia moved to Thrace, right?

Basil II made those themata, no one else.

Reconstruction of the military..the Byzantine 'dynatoi' were purchasing land off the 'peasantry' below market prices. Basill made a law in 969 A.D that land the 'dynatoi ' purchased over the 40 year period would be re distributed back to the peasants.

Basil had an exceeding amount of fleeing 'refugees' to contend with from the northen Byzantine provinces. Many in Macedonia went to THRACE, that's were many if not all the Macedonian political, intellectual elites fled to during the Bulgarian invasion - the Army constituted majority of the population in Thessaloniki including the Vangarian Guard. Macedonians also many Armenians replenished parts of the Northen provinces of Thrace. Got it? no... well you can have another hissy fit now - I quite enjoy when you get stirred up... entertain me baby.

[Truth Bearer]

I think round 1 belongs to Mygdonia Petros.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Originally Posted by Mygdonia

The subject is why Macedonia moved to Thrace, right?

Basil II made those themata, no one else.

Reconstruction of the military..the Byzantine 'dynatoi' were purchasing land off the 'peasantry' below market prices. Basill made a law in 969 A.D that land the 'dynatoi ' purchased over the 40 year period would be re distributed back to the peasants.

Basil had an exceeding amount of fleeing 'refugees' to contend with from the northen Byzantine provinces. Many in Macedonia went to THRACE, that's were many if not all the Macedonian political, intellectual elites fled to during the Bulgarian invasion - the Army constituted majority of the population in Thessaloniki including the Vangarian Guard. Macedonians also many Armenians replenished parts of the Northen provinces of Thrace. Got it? no... well you can have another hissy fit now - I quite enjoy when you get stirred up... entertain me baby.

Your problem is that Macedonia dissapears during the 6th century and returns as late as the 8th century. The question is why did Macedonia dissapear during the 6th century, and you answer with events of the 8th century AT BEST, like the actions of Basil...

BUT THE QUESTION IS WHY DID MACEDONIA DISSAPEAR DURING THE 6TH CENTURY. YOU HAVE TO ANSWER THIS BEFORE YOU EXPLAIN WHY IT SHIFTED IN THE 8TH CENTURY...

[Truth Bearer]

Great comeback Petros rd 2 to you mate....

[Mygdonia]

Maybe it has to do with the Byzantine Syrian dynasty were in power emboiled in war with the Arabs where the Slavic tribes invaded at a time where the Arabs were laying seige on Constantinople. This is a complex time in Byzantine history - wars against the Arabs, Slavs and Justinian II was in civil war 711-717 AD. It wasn't untill Constantine V victory over the Bulgars & Slavs in the Battle of Acroinium that Macedonia was re instituted as a military theme in his 745 ad accession. The maps are somewhat biased as Aabs infilrated Asia Minor but there is no collection of this in your maps but the slavs are reported to be 'everywhere'. The Arabs laid seige to Constantinople three times, so where are they on your maps..no existant.. so a tad biased...ja ja...

[Mygdonia]

ANyway I have to go to bed - I have reports to write and asses to kick so I am going to sleep. I aint replying till later, hopefully Petros has another hissy fit.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Originally Posted by Mygdonia

Maybe it has to do with the Byzantine Syrian dynasty were in power emboiled in war with the Arabs where the Slavic tribes invaded at a time where the Arabs were laying seige on Constantinople. This is a complex time in Byzantine history - wars against the Arabs, Slavs and Justinian II was in civil war 711-717 AD. It wasn't untill Constantine V victory over the Bulgars & Slavs in the Battle of Acroinium that Macedonia was re instituted as a military theme in his 745 ad accession. The maps are somewhat biased as Aabs infilrated Asia Minor but there is no collection of this in your maps but the slavs are reported to be 'everywhere'. The Arabs laid seige to Constantinople three times, so where are they on your maps..no existant.. so a tad biased...ja ja...

First of all, the Arabs besieged Constantinople twice, not three times. The first time it was a Persian and Avar siege. Secondly, the Arabs did not occupy any territories while going through to besiege Constantinople, therefore the maps are correct and you are wrong. Third, you'd better use sources to prove your points, and above all, THE POINT IS THAT THE MACEDONIANS CHOSE TO FLEE MACEDONIA - AND USE TE NAME MACEDONIA IN THE LANDS WHERE THEY WERE MISPLACED - INSTEAD OF COHABITING WITH THE SLAVS, THEREFORE THERE WAS NO LARGE SCALE MIX OF SLAVS AND MACEDONIANS EVER, and therefore THEY ARE NOT MACEDONIANS.

THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO PROVE IN HERE, AND I NEED TO GET IT OUT OF YOUR ASS, AFTER YOU BRAKE MY BALLS WITH IRRELEVANT POSTS THAT TOOK THREE FUCKING PAGES TO GET OVER WITH...