Regions of Ancient Macedonia

[Cadmus]

I'm recently frustrated by the fact i can't seem to find anything about Starski Dol!

Hammond in his journal about the Epirote/Illyrian Atintanes mentions a Starski Dol at a chapter from Ziva Antika nr3 1952/53, allso there is a description in nr 12 -1962/63 about Tin found at an ancient site at Velmej..???The Atintani which he does btw compare with the Tyntenoi who lived in northern Ohrid areas etc.. and used the Damastion mines as one of the first(they probably found it) and later you have the Illyrian coins of Damastion etc...with the head of Apollo on the reverse side.

Ziva Antika has a online pdf database where downloads are available but none of the links work!

Will return later about the location of Brygias..

All the best,

[Cadmus]

Brucida was what is known (according to surviving maps) as a 'mutatio' (in Latin). It appears, from my quick reading of the relevant text in Hammond (A History of Macedonia, Vol. 1, p. 41) and the accompanying map, to have been a 'saddle' along the Strymepalis mountain range (modern Istok/Galicica range) it was certainly a point along the Via Egnatia and appears to have been somewhere in the vicinity of the villages Zavoj and Svinishta (probably closer to the latter in my estimation).

I have looked again on the matter , and i must say that Sivinsta is out of the question, Why? because archaeological materiel has indeed been found 500m south of the village of Strezevo which is now submerged aswell as the surrounding areas, but it does not comply with the initenararies. Castra Parembole is located there right alongside the road from Resen-Bitola.

I would place Brucida in the pass leading from Ohrid to Resen..(but there's another possibility)
As i said before the vilage of Openica near Prentov Most seems possible(but only a necropolis was found yet) and no acropolis.
Zavoj also seems plausible! but i think personally that Brucida is located up in the mountains overlooking the Strymepalis valley? that is i mean the valley that lies inbetween Zavoj and Resen itself..(just a theory ofcourse)

[BigBlackBeast]

Originally Posted by Cadmus

I have looked again on the matter , and i must say that Sivinsta is out of the question, Why? because archaeological materiel has indeed been found 500m south of the village of Strezevo which is now submerged aswell as the surrounding areas, but it does not comply with the initenararies. Castra Parembole is located there right alongside the road from Resen-Bitola.

I would place Brucida in the pass leading from Ohrid to Resen..(but there's another possibility)
As i said before the vilage of Openica near Prentov Most seems possible(but only a necropolis was found yet) and no acropolis.
Zavoj also seems plausible! but i think personally that Brucida is located up in the mountains overlooking the Strymepalis valley? that is i mean the valley that lies inbetween Zavoj and Resen itself..(just a theory ofcourse)

Cadmus, I'm a little confused ... According to my reference map Svinishta is actually pretty much on the route between Ohrid and Resen, it is some 5 or so kilometres on the Ohrid side of the Bukovo pass.

Hammond proposes to place mutatio Brucida at the site of the ruins of a guardhouse 13 miles from Lychnidus and 3 miles from 'Pylon' going towards Resen. Remember he places Pylon at a flat-bottomed coombe just north of Izhbishte. Thus mutatio Brucida is about 5 km or so from Izhbishte travelling along the road to Ohrid.

My reference map isn't all that detailed ... if yours is any good, see if there is anything of significance that is 5 km before Izhbishte (ie north-west of it) ...

[BigBlackBeast]

Originally Posted by Cadmus

I'm recently frustrated by the fact i can't seem to find anything about Starski Dol!

Hammond in his journal about the Epirote/Illyrian Atintanes mentions a Starski Dol at a chapter from Ziva Antika nr3 1952/53, allso there is a description in nr 12 -1962/63 about Tin found at an ancient site at Velmej..???The Atintani which he does btw compare with the Tyntenoi who lived in northern Ohrid areas etc.. and used the Damastion mines as one of the first(they probably found it) and later you have the Illyrian coins of Damastion etc...with the head of Apollo on the reverse side.

Ziva Antika has a online pdf database where downloads are available but none of the links work!

Will return later about the location of Brygias..

All the best,

Cadmus,

In a little footnote (#4 page 93 of 'Macedonia' Vol. 1), Hammond states:

"J. M. F. May, The Coinage of Damastium (Oxford, 1939) 28, placed Damastium northwards of Lake Ochrid. I have not found 'Starski dol' on a map but it must be near Istok, where Wace reported 'remains of antiquity'; see BSA 18 (1911-12) 176. Silver mines in the Ochrid Sanjak were reported by Haci Halfa in the seventeenth century, and O. Davies, Roman Mines in Europe 239 reported Turkish workings at Gumus Cesme, which he places north-west of Resen in his Map VI."

So it looks as if Hammond had the same problem locating Staski Dol!!! So, Good Luck.

PS I'll scan more Hammond for you when I get a chance ...

Cheers

[akritas]

BBB do you have the English edition of Volume 1 from Hammond work ?

[Cadmus]

Hi Akritas!

Nice to see you contribute to this topic again, what are your sources about Brucida/Brygias?

All the best,

[akritas]

Originally Posted by Cadmus

Hi Akritas!

Nice to see you contribute to this topic again, what are your sources about Brucida/Brygias?

All the best,

«Brygias» was mentioned by Stephanos Byzantius as a site of Macedonia. Moreover Greek Professor Demitsas identifying it as the «Brucida» of Itinerary Burdigalense and thus placing at a distance of 31m from Herakleia, suggested that it belonged to Lynkos and lay to the northern side of Prespa where ancient remains were noticed. However, the lack of any other evidence, prevents any other comment.

SOURCES - Ancient authors
1) Stephanos Byzantius, s.v. Βρυγίας: «πόλιςΜακεδονίας»
2) Itinerary Burdigalense 606-7 (ibid): Heracleia-XXXI-Brucida

Until night I will post ...Lynkos region.

[Cadmus]

http://books.google.nl/books?id=tJIf...gIGkBmf8&hl=nl

Look at this page about the Bryges, they place the surviving remnants around Ohrid/Lychnidus , also in another French version i found the Bryges are placed in front of lake Ventrok=mikra Prespa....!!

I think Brucida is part of a Bryge territory, but was Brucida merely a station on the V.E. or a small settlement even town?

mutatio what does that mean?
I know that most stations on the V.E. were in fact small settlements such as Casta/Nicia/Parembole if they are all the same names for a single town...i know for sure that Parembole and Casta are the same but wasn't Nicia situated more nothwards of Parembole and formed a triangle with Parembole and Heracleia ?

[Cadmus]

Originally Posted by BigBlackBeast

Cadmus, I'm a little confused ... According to my reference map Svinishta is actually pretty much on the route between Ohrid and Resen, it is some 5 or so kilometres on the Ohrid side of the Bukovo pass.

Hammond proposes to place mutatio Brucida at the site of the ruins of a guardhouse 13 miles from Lychnidus and 3 miles from 'Pylon' going towards Resen. Remember he places Pylon at a flat-bottomed coombe just north of Izhbishte. Thus mutatio Brucida is about 5 km or so from Izhbishte travelling along the road to Ohrid.

My reference map isn't all that detailed ... if yours is any good, see if there is anything of significance that is 5 km before Izhbishte (ie north-west of it) ...

BBB you are right there are 2 Svinistas but spelled slightly different!
New info !parts of the V.E. are discovered and they point out that the road leads from Izbiste to Jankovec to Resen northern part and then to Kozluk thru the pass from Resen to Bitola ..

PS Brucida could very well be situated in the Izbiste region.

[BigBlackBeast]

Originally Posted by akritas

BBB do you have the English edition of Volume 1 from Hammond work ?

Yes I do Akrita ... and Volume 2 and Volume 3!