Regions of Ancient Macedonia

[chicagogeorge]

Since we are on the subject of NGL Hammond, here is one of the last books (published in 1998) he wrote on Macedonia. Read what he specifically states about the tribes of Epirus, Pelagonia, and Macedonia. Also he explicitly states that South Yugoslavia was Paeonia and NOT Macedonia....

[Cadmus]

Originally Posted by Andrew

Do you think it will work ???




Thank you Cadmus !!!!! I haven't noticed that so far !!!!! It was in here all this time and i didn't knew it !!!

And to you BBB Hammond's "migrations" rock and you rock more for posting the quotes !!!

Offcourse it works..just send a friendly email stating you dont have enoughmoney to travell to the university and ask them to mail you the JSTOR link! remember all are articles only no full books!

Besides the great thing about Hammond is well regarding to the area mostly BBB I and Andrew have been investigating that is the side from roughly Berat Albania all the way up to Pelagonia (especially the tetralimnion area!) have been only summarilly worked by hammond he gives hints..yes important ones open for others to finish the job!..

As for the Enchelean area that is the Trebenithe/Ohrid/Lychnitis plain i have come a far end..not that i have found Sation/Boioi or Cerax and Encheleae!! ...but i found some very interesting things Hammond did not even know of!..

But a lot more research will be done! and that is only for the Lychnitis valley!!
So far i have been to three bronze age forts..and still 2 to go !! which is the most important cyclopean walls!!! so in total 5 forts/and one is a major settlement! in a huge area! and none of them is the Sation Cerax or Boioi! so in such a small area there is a lot..thats no understatement..

[Andrew]

since we talk so much about Balkan Bronge Age here is a chronological table of the period :


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[Cadmus]

This is a Damastion coin from the Damastion mines!
With a Apollo head and a tripod very popular in Lychnitis, Andrew see the beautifull tripod picture on the Trebenisthe book link i send you on pm.!



Second one from Damastion!!
See the Apollo head but now whatch the inscription Herakleidon!!

What is your opinion Andrew?
Link with the Herakledes? why dont show Herakles on the coin, but instead Apollo for Damastion!?
Was Apollo important enough more then Herakles depiction on the Damastion coins, we see Herakles on Macedonian coins often..

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by cadmus

What is your opinion Andrew?
Link with the Herakledes? why dont show Herakles on the coin, but instead Apollo for Damastion!?
Was Apollo important enough more then Herakles depiction on the Damastion coins, we see Herakles on Macedonian coins often..

Good Theme to talk about Cadmus !!!

Have you ever heard the mythologists saying that Heracles and Apollo were the same figure who differenciated by time in two different deities/heroes??

Watch the "life" of Heracles and that of Apollo ..
1) They were both favorite deities of the North Western Greeks
2) Bot has Youngsters had to kill "dragons send by Hera2: Hercules the snakes and Apollo Python.
3) They both had to serve for many years a mortal man: Hercules Eurystheus and Apollo Admetus of Pherae
4) Hercules in earlier times was pictured with a bow ..which was Apollo's weapon "hekaergus/hekatibolos" (he who acts from distance/he who shoots far)
5) They had a "mythical fight" for who will get the Delphic Oracle: ...or If you like when they became different deities Greeks were initialy uncertain at wom dedicate the Delphic Oracle ..so they presented it as a "fight":

[akritas]

Andrew resize your picture, is huge!!

[Cadmus]

Very interesting so another proof about Bubajn Hum II is the key and connection between the tetralimnion and southern Greece (Macedonia/Orestia/Thebes ) Its all Bubajn Hum II baby

You also have Herakles wrestling the Nemean lion on macedonian coins..Apollo is more ancient then Herakles (maybe a Zagreus-Dionysus thing connection as in being the same i love the theory!)

That was my next question you had the Damastian/Ichnean towns like :
Palaggia/Dapparia .you the linguist, Pellagia/Dapparia does it sound Illyrian? Thracian i dont know??

PS is the tripod typically worshipped/ i mean important in north western Greece?
All the Damastian coins depict the tripod..and see the awsome tripod picture in the Trebenisthe book link i send you on pm..I LOVE TRIPODS..deeply religious item!!

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by akritas

Andrew resize your picture, is huge!!

OK Boss ..I found a smaller pic !!!

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by Cadmus

Apollo is more ancient then Herakles (maybe a Zagreus-Dionysus thing connection as in being the same i love the theory!)

I don't think so !! If they were the same figure then they are comtemporaneous. We have proofs that Herakles is very very old also ...remember the association with the Phoenician Melkart ??

That was my next question you had the Damastian/Ichnean towns like :
Palaggia/Dapparia .you the linguist, Pellagia/Dapparia does it sound Illyrian? Thracian i dont know??

Ichnai is not a region ..it's a city near Pella. The connection with Damastion was the commercial path starting parallel to Vardar then following Crna Voda (Erigon) to Pelagonia through modern Morihovo and from there lakeland >> Damastion and Lychnidos.Hammond says that Korinth was the basic producer of "Illyrian" helmets and sold the mto "Illyria" (West-Central Balkans more accurately) through it's two colonies : Potidaia & Epidamnos. Potidaia > Ichnai > Axios > Dardania or Morihovo > Pelagonia > Lakeland ...and ... Epidamnos >> Lakeland and the rest of region.

About the cities give more info bro ...where excactly were Dapparia and Pallagia ??? So that I can know what to search for...

PS is the tripod typically worshipped/ i mean important in north western Greece?
All the Damastian coins depict the tripod..and see the awsome tripod picture in the Trebenisthe book link i send you on pm..I LOVE TRIPODS..deeply religious item!!

Tripods are worshipped all over Greece and all over the world !!! It could be a symbol of Damastian "Wealth" ..or seing Apollo ..there could be a link with Delphi ..who knows ??

[Cadmus]

I really dont know where Dapparia and Pellagia could had been exactly..the towns were mentioned/or belonged to the Damastian area, so they were in the area which who knows exactly could had been huge!

The "ia' ending in both towns could that be Illyrian/Dardanian? im clueless!!
Are there any towns in ancient Greece bearing a similair name? ahmmm besides Dassaretia...hmmm Dassaretia-Dapparia a typical Dassaretian town?
Antipatrea, Codrium were Dassaretian for sure! and the four towns on Lychnitis shores! Boioi , Sation, Cerax, Encheleaea!! still confused..

And Tyntenoi? The Atintanes/Atintani tell me what you think of hammonds article i posted you, did you get it?



If we agree also hammond does that Damastion was in the Lychnitis area , can we place such tows also there? Pellagia/Dapparia?
Why there are no coins from the former towns at all Sation/Cerax/Boioi etc..
This poses problems..on what timeframe can we place such coins from Ichnai/Pellagia/Dapparia? Tyntenoi coin was from 5/6thc.B.C..will it say that we must place the others Dapparia etc also around 5/6th c.B.C. which also happens to be the most wealthy period for the Lychnitis/Trebenisthe area..

Im still sick, this is just a in between posting the real posting from my findings from this summer will come soon

But there is so much to do and find out..

For BBB if hes watching Yes Svinista where Hammond wanted to place Brucida is correct ancient ruins there are! Havent been there though.
Svinistha is located on the top of a mountain , giving great strategic views to the Resen-Bitola path..so in ancient times it overlooked certainly pylon and other strategic points..but Brucida being just merely a transition station i dont know!!